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RE: Value of Intelligence. - 7/10/2008 12:47:30 AM
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PaleHawkWoman
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Back in my single days when my friends and I went for a girls-night-out I used to get rid of guys on the make by starting a discussion on thermonuclear dynamics or astrophysics or some other topic ten miles over the dude's head. Said predatory male usually excused himself to go to the bathroom and never came back. One of my friends said that one day some guy would call my bluff on that but that never happened.
Strange how intellectual guys do not hang out in bars and nightclubs. Personally I found the jazz music at my favorite club quite intellectually stimulating. But that was thirty years ago...
Think I'll go listen to some John Coltrane.
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RE: Value of Intelligence. - 7/10/2008 7:43:23 AM
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Rofl,
Talking about astrophysics would be a turn on for my guy.... we are major geeks. And we did not meet each other at a bar.
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RE: Value of Intelligence. - 7/10/2008 10:48:03 AM
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Strange how intellectual guys do not hang out in bars and nightclubs.
Yes, they do. I've met all the men I've dated in a bar or at a show. Might just be the bars you've been to. The ones I frequent are chock-full of very intelligent men and women.
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RE: Value of Intelligence. - 7/10/2008 5:30:52 PM
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rgod
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Rofl,
Talking about astrophysics would be a turn on for my guy.... we are major geeks. And we did not meet each other at a bar.
OK car2ner - this is too good let pass so I'm going to bite! Where did you two meet?
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RE: Value of Intelligence. - 7/11/2008 7:54:15 AM
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car2ner
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Talking about astrophysics would be a turn on for my guy.... we are major geeks. And we did not meet each other at a bar.
OK car2ner - this is too good let pass so I'm going to bite! Where did you two meet?
At a contra dance http://www.contradance.org/
A geeky/artsy friend turned me on to the contra dance, then invited his co-worker in a couple of months later. My geeky/artsy friend had a habit of calling me to make sure I got home safely after the dance but that time it was well after midnight and his c0-worker and I were still talking in the parking lot of the dance.
Contra dancing is a great mix of art and math. It is like a huge moving logic puzzle!
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RE: Value of Intelligence. - 7/11/2008 7:09:56 PM
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Although character and a strong relationship with Jesus is MORE important, I wouldn't be honest if I said that a certain level of intelligence is an attractive quality for me....not in a arrogant, academic way but in depth kind of way of being able to talk about all kinds of ideas and concepts and can even use humor in sharing - a guy who can keep up with me. Very much a turn on. 
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RE: Value of Intelligence. - 7/14/2008 12:19:23 AM
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rgod
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Contra dancing is a great mix of art and math. It is like a huge moving logic puzzle!
Wow - how interesting! I saw the link then looked it up on youtube. It reminds me a little of a line dance - but with partners. And traditional american dancing. It looks pretty interesting. I remember being a kid and spending some time in texas - doing dances like the "Virginia Reel" in grade school - but that was tame compared to what I saw. Cool -- I learned something new and the day is only 19 minutes old!
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RE: Value of Intelligence. - 7/14/2008 2:43:17 PM
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What is the value of intelligence within a relationship?
Does one with intellectual promise bring more to a relationship than one who isn't as intellectually exceptional?
Does lack of academical achievements send up red flags for you? If not, what use does it bring opposed to the studious individual?
Do you feel more secure with someone who is quick with numbers, easy with finances, business manageable, and maintains an impressive schedule/application opposed to someone who is less adequate with mathematics, lacks in wealth, and an excessive procrastinator?
What assessment does intelligence hold over whether or not you're satisfied in a relationship?
I think intelligence is an important contributor to the satisfacaiton of a relationship (assuming you're referring to a romantic relationship) insofar as people should generally be compatible. People too far apart in intellect tends to create difficulties with communication, and a relationship, as we all know, is very dependent on communication.
BTW, I know a lot of very intelligent people who are not great at math, aren't wealthy and are procrastinators -- big time. So those "liabilities" are not necessarily indicative of a lack of intelligence to me. Perhaps indicative of a lack of character or opportunity, but not necessarily an indicator of intellectual ability.
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RE: Value of Intelligence. - 7/17/2008 3:03:25 AM
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I think one can normally "tell" if someone is less intelligent without a test... Like can you converse together? Do you feel like you're hanging out with a child. I wasn't referring to scores on a test.
Timidity has a way of blocking the realm of communication. I haven't always been capable of communicating with just anyone, so to some, maybe I was that child due to my shyness.
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Yes. lol. :)
Way to be finicky.
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Depends on the person. Who would like me to critique? 
Joseph.
Joseph is a teenager who's always made "ok" grades, got by in school, and has had his fair share of jobs scrapping grease stains from fast food ovens.
Joseph has an outstanding relationship with God, one of the like many would only hope to have. He's active in his church's ministries, he displays leadership and accountability for others, etc.
However, Joseph decides he doesn't want to attend a college. Rather than getting a piece of paper that says he did something for four years, he decides to stick life out and do what he can outside of college education.
Now, is the fact Joseph isn't going to college more important, or the fact he's a leader with a strong foundation in Christ, with the possibility he'll do great things outside of a college education?
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RE: Value of Intelligence. - 7/17/2008 3:13:36 AM
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I'd say that I would be very unsatisfied with someone who lacked at least average intelligence. I prefer someone with above average intelligence. Geniuses tend to be arrogant, tho, and that would be very unsatisfying as well.
Since it's been stated in this thread that one cannot judge intelligence by tests, grades, nor numbers.. how does one really know if they're 'above average'?
I find it arrogant that one would assume someone is of lesser intelligence when they have no premise to base that from, aside from numbers, which are considered one form of testing intelligence. (without covering the entire field of mental capacity)
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RE: Value of Intelligence. - 7/17/2008 7:52:50 AM
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Joseph is a teenager who's always made "ok" grades, got by in school, and has had his fair share of jobs scrapping grease stains from fast food ovens.
Joseph has an outstanding relationship with God, one of the like many would only hope to have. He's active in his church's ministries, he displays leadership and accountability for others, etc.
However, Joseph decides he doesn't want to attend a college. Rather than getting a piece of paper that says he did something for four years, he decides to stick life out and do what he can outside of college education.
Now, is the fact Joseph isn't going to college more important, or the fact he's a leader with a strong foundation in Christ, with the possibility he'll do great things outside of a college education?
Joseph is a teenager and still has no real clue what life is all about. Having a college degree will help him qualify for better paying jobs. Joseph will find this out as he applies for work that is more satisfactory than scraping grease. If he has those strong leadership skills he won't be happy with a low paying job that doesn't support a family.
The strong relationship with God is important. Any gal will know from talking to Joe if he is intellectually balanced with her or not.
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RE: Value of Intelligence. - 7/17/2008 8:04:50 AM
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This sound more like a slam against going to college. Like it or not, Joe needs to learn advanced skills in one form or other. That is the way of the world. Not continuing learning is like squandering the talents God has given them.
I have not gotten my college degree. Even though I have over 30 years of experience in my field, I am locked out of desirable positions without that degree. It has little to do with intelligence when filling out the application and that space under, "education" gets left blank.
There are good paying jobs outside of college but those can involve 4 years of apprenticship.
Then there is working in bars. No matter how bad the economy gets, it seems like the "dark side" can always raise cash.
Does a man need to have a girl take a test to see if she clicks visually and intellectually? Not a formal test, but we all do a verbal/ text message test in one form or another to see if a potential partner matches up. To believe that we don't is just inexperienced and naive.
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RE: Value of Intelligence. - 7/17/2008 6:25:57 PM
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This sound more like a slam against going to college. Like it or not, Joe needs to learn advanced skills in one form or other. That is the way of the world. Not continuing learning is like squandering the talents God has given them.
I don't believe college is the only method that allows advancement in skills.
Some things come from experience, something college can't always teach you.
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RE: Value of Intelligence. - 7/17/2008 7:40:30 PM
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That is true. However, being content scraping greasy grills is NOT an attractive quality.
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RE: Value of Intelligence. - 7/17/2008 8:48:48 PM
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I could never be content working at a fast food joint.
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RE: Value of Intelligence. - 7/18/2008 7:15:26 AM
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car2ner
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I don't believe college is the only method that allows advancement in skills.
Some things come from experience, something college can't always teach you.
I have met some college students who are as "dumb as a box of hair" when it comes to common sense.
I have learned alot through experience but I am still blocked from some work because I don't have a degree.
Is Joe trying to rationalize why he doesn't have to go to college? Girls will be looking at a guy's potential... what kind of bread winner will he be, what is his drive and initiative?
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RE: Value of Intelligence. - 7/20/2008 3:46:11 AM
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It's different for every guy, I suppose. Since Joe is imaginary, you could label any occupation to his name and that can be his motivation.
What matters most is that he follow God's will and plans.
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RE: Value of Intelligence. - 7/20/2008 9:08:57 AM
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Intellect is a gift bestowed upon us by our Creator. Some are given great gobs of it while others are given very little - indeed in some cases not enough to survive on one's own. I believe that it is important to value and use the gifts that we have as in the parable of the servants that were given varying numbers of talents.
While I think that relationships work best where there are many commonalities, including that of intellect, it is, to me not dreadfully important.
The IQs of human beings do not. for the most part, vary so greatly that we are incapable of understanding one another so I feel that there is a great range of "intellectual capacity" that would be suited to each one of us.
I think the focus that is placed on intellegence nowadays is out of whack. I think it is a sad reflection on our times that it is placed before many of the values that the bible says that are important. Not once in Jesus' ministry did he admonish people to be more intelligent. He said rather "I want kindness". His ministry revolved around teaching people about relationships and how to treat each other.
I think that the most important thing in a mate is finding someone who practices those teachings. If we chose someone like that...it is my opinion we can never go wrong.
My husband is kind, generous, helpful and diplomatic - always willing to try something new. I wouldn't trade those traits for the brightest person on earth who lacked them.
When I was young (in my 20s_) until I met one of my dates, who had quit high school at Grade 10 and was a member of Mensa I would say that a lack of education would have put up a red flag or two only in that life is sometimes a little more difficult but this fellow really caused me to look at my values differently as well as others around me. Let's just say I was young and extremely stupid.
Do I feel more secure with someone who is quick with numbers? Errr...no. They are capable of making unwise decisions as well. I'm not sure what sort of scedule would impress me. Work-wise? That would be a non-workaholic sort - someone who does their duty but likes to hang out and have some fun as well. An excessive procrasinator? Are you kidding me?!?!?!? No one likes this and it is not what we are called to be...if we are to be good partners we will not let the other person down.
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RE: Value of Intelligence. - 7/21/2008 9:35:34 PM
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Reasonable Intelligence is good.
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RE: Value of Intelligence. - 7/22/2008 12:02:23 AM
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I think that it is important to be compatable intellectually. My future hubby and I both have gradaute degrees in the sciences, but I don't think that alone would make us compatible in this area. We connect because we both love to learn, we both appreciate the environment, and we enjoy a good intellectual challenge. Truth is we are both nerds, and I honestly think that other people would get annoyed/bored with us. Our families constantly tease us saying that we are going to have nerdy children.
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