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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 8/16/2008 8:51:55 AM
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... that's the mystique with the Republican party, now isn't it? You have the platform saying that abortion should not be legal at all - no cases. But then you have Bush and McCain publicly stating that abortion is ok only in cases of rape, incest, mother's life endangered - and they consider their stance, pro-life.
So, what is an average woman to believe, John, please tell us....
Peace and God bless,
Average? Who needs to be average to understand that those two positions are virtually the same. Murder of unborn children of rapists and those conceived by incestual copulation account for a very, very, very small amount of abortions, probably less than 1%. So, those two positions are about 99% the same.
reasons for abortion - anything goes for Democrats
Democrats (Kerry, Obama, Clintons, Gore, Pelosi, etc., etc., etc.,) agree that 100% of unborn children are unworthy of human rights. Obama goes even further to deny rights to those who accidentally survive abortion.
There is a lot you don't understand about abortion and I believe your lack of understanding is deliberate. It allows you to make phony arguments like this one. The Republican party platform has not said that "abortion should not be legal at all - no cases." Then you use your invention to bolster a phony argument. You may remember that it was Republicans who insisted on a life of the mother exception to partial birth abortion legislation. Democrats wanted it replaced with health of the mother, something vague enough to permit the nasty things they advocate.
The pro-life party platform calls for a Human Life amendment because Republicans believe..."that the most basic duty of government is to defend the life of the innocent. Every person, however frail or vulnerable, has a place and a purpose in this world.” Democrats don't believe that. The didn't when we had slaves and they don't believe it now.
2004 Republican party platform
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 8/16/2008 9:37:59 AM
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I don't think it's debatable that the Republicans, in general, support the rights of the unborn while the democrats, in general, don't. So if your number one issue in an election is protecting the rights of the unborn, McCain should be your hands down choice. Certainly not B. Hussein O. and certainly not a third party candidate for obvious reasons.
I think we could ask the question though, could the pro-life GOP do more? That is, if we gave them the executive, judicial and legislative branches of government, would they (the SCOTUS) overturn Roe v. Wade and would they be proactive in eliminating all forms of abortion? The idea that they'd be better than the democrats may be true in this scenario, but when they have the power and the numbers to do the right thing, would they do it? Or would they do what is politically expedient and will help them "reach across party lines" and appease those who may feel alienated?
In other words, is the GOP really as passionate about this issue as you think or are they using this issue to bait a passionate group of voters by giving them just enough to get their vote, but nothing to drive away potential "centrists?"
I think that's the question. Could they do more, and would they, if given the opportunity?
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 8/16/2008 11:11:18 PM
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John, that's the mystique with the Republican party, now isn't it? You have the platform saying that abortion should not be legal at all - no cases. But then you have Bush and McCain publicly stating that abortion is ok only in cases of rape, incest, mother's life endangered - and they consider their stance, pro-life.
So, what is an average woman to believe, John, please tell us....
If anyone believes that murdering the child of rape is a pro-life stance they don't understand the term, not to mention they have issues with justice and of course the word of God... Given we are talking about George "Muslims and Christians worship the same god" Bush and John "Mostly Secular" McCain who should be surprised...
Do you really believe that one can be pro-life while believe it's perfectly alright to condemned a child to death for the actions of his or her father?
Is that really a tough question? How many hours of bible study should it take the average Christian to come to the conclusion the condemning the child to death because the father sinned is wrong? Is that loving one's neighbor as we are commanded to by Christ?
Multiple choice...
Which of the following isn't loving your neighbor as Christ commanded...
A)Sharing the Gospel with whomever
B)Helping those in need
C)Believing a child of rape is worthy of what amounts to the death penalty...
D)Returning you mean neighbor's rudeness with kindness
John
Well, John, I myself probably would not have an abortion no matter the conditions. However, I <very thankfully> have never been raped. I don't know what that feels like, so there is no way in heck I am going to tell the victim what to do in that situation.
I have told you this before. And I really could care less what you're going to say about me - let it all out, John! I'm sure you will! 
Peace and God bless,
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 8/16/2008 11:17:10 PM
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1) The gang of 14 is a compromise, Jack. It is well known that the hard core conservatives were pretty mad at McCain for his involvement in this because of this - please see the Bob Barr quote I included if you don't believe me. Actually, here it is:
It's a pretty simple request Liz - one 'centrist' judge appointed by the gang of fourteen.
Now don't get me wrong - I think the gang of fourteen wasn't the best deal. But they didn't appoint any centrist judges.
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2) Jack, please, 3 Republicans did not vote for Ginsburg and Breyer; but McCain did vote for them. I don't know why you continue to make excuses for McCain on this. It's obvious you're giving him way too much latitude simply because of his party.
3 out of 40 some odd Republicans. While I certainly admire those three, and wish the remainder of Republicans had their backbones, the reality is it is difficult for the Republicans to argue that the Democrats should suport Republicans presidential appointments, if they refuse to do likewise. Either way, it would have made little difference anyway.
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3) Kerry's fillibuster was not so due to not enough support from Democrats, Jack,.
Well yes, obviously the Democrats failed to filibuster, but it wasn't because no one tried.
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And here is the quote again from Roberts on RVW:
Fairly dishonest editing on your part - you deleted the following:
As a lawyer in the administration of President Bush's father, he helped write a Supreme Court brief that said, "We continue to believe that Roe (v. Wade) was wrongly decided and should be overruled."
In Rust v. Sullivan, the then-deputy solicitor general coauthored a brief in support of regulations prohibiting US family planning programs, which get federal aid, from giving any abortion-related counseling. In that brief, he wrote: "We continue to believe that Roe was wrongly decided and should be overruled. The Court's conclusion in Roe that there is a fundamental right to an abortion finds no support in the text, structure, or history of the Constitution." The court upheld those regulations.
In a case involving the Operation Rescue, Roberts coauthored the government's amicus brief supporting the group's right to target clinics, under the First Amendment, arguing that Operation Rescue was not engaged in a conspiracy to deny women equal protection.
For Bush Senior, Roberts successfully helped argue that doctors and clinics receiving federal funds may not talk to patients about abortion. (Rust v. Sullivan, 1991)
He also took strongly anti-choice positions in two Supreme Court cases, one that severely restricted the ability of poor women to gain information about abortion services, and another that took away a key means for women and clinics to combat anti-abortion zealots.
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And now McCain has said that he would not rule out a pro-choice vp. I suppose you're going to make excuses for this as well.
No, I think that would be a terrible mistake on McCain's part.
Well, Jack, I disagree with you and think that you are making excuses for McCain simply by virtue of the party he belongs to. So, let's agree to disagree.
BTW, when I posted what Roberts said, I took that quote, because it was the most recent, and it was a statement that he said under oath. I think that should go without saying.
"Roe v. Wade is more than settled as precedent
SEN. SPECTER [as read into the record by Sen. Feinstein]: "Judge Roberts, in your confirmation hearing for the circuit court you testified: 'Roe is the settled law of the land.' Do you mean settled for you, settled only for your capacity as a circuit judge, or settled beyond that?"
ROBERTS: "Well, beyond that. It's settled as a precedent of the court, entitled to respect under principles of stare decisis. And those principles, applied in the Casey case, explain when cases should be revisited and when they should not. And it is settled as a precedent of the court, yes."
SPECTER: "You went on to say then, 'It's a little more than settled. It was reaffirmed in the face of a challenge that it should be overruled in the Casey decision, so it has added precedental value.'"
ROBERTS: "I think the initial question for the judge confronting an issue in this area, you don't go straight to the Roe decision. You begin with Casey, which modified the Roe framework and reaffirmed its central holding."
Source: Sam Alito Senate Confirmation Hearings Jan 11, 2006 "
http://www.ontheissues.org/Court/John_Roberts_Abortion.htm
Peace and God bless,
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 8/16/2008 11:26:33 PM
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Well, Jack, I disagree with you and think that you are making excuses for McCain simply by virtue of the party he belongs to. So, let's agree to disagree.
Actually, both candidates were very clear tonight about their stands tonight - Obama is pro-choice and will intentionally appoint judges who support that position, McCain is pro-life, and will intentionally appoint judges who will support that position. They even specifically listed the justices they would and wouldn't appoint.
In fact, McCain went further, and made it clear he would appoint judges who would not legislate from the bench, that is not create rights that hadn't previously existed.
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 8/16/2008 11:28:15 PM
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Well, John, I myself probably would not have an abortion no matter the conditions.
Nice and vauge... Much like the politicans you support...
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However, I <very thankfully> have never been raped. I don't know what that feels like, so there is no way in heck I am going to tell the victim what to do in that situation.
Doesn't matter what it feels like, it's not a just reason to put the child to death... Of course what is really ironic is that most people who have no problem with the child being put to death would think it's completely wrong to put the rapist to death...
There is nothing in the bible that grants the right for any person and or the state to the take the live of the unborn... Any stance that supports it isn't pro-life and it cannot be justified by God's word and anything not done in faith is sin...
John
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 8/16/2008 11:28:23 PM
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... that's the mystique with the Republican party, now isn't it? You have the platform saying that abortion should not be legal at all - no cases. But then you have Bush and McCain publicly stating that abortion is ok only in cases of rape, incest, mother's life endangered - and they consider their stance, pro-life.
So, what is an average woman to believe, John, please tell us....
Peace and God bless,
Average? Who needs to be average to understand that those two positions are virtually the same. Murder of unborn children of rapists and those conceived by incestual copulation account for a very, very, very small amount of abortions, probably less than 1%. So, those two positions are about 99% the same.
reasons for abortion - anything goes for Democrats
Democrats (Kerry, Obama, Clintons, Gore, Pelosi, etc., etc., etc.,) agree that 100% of unborn children are unworthy of human rights. Obama goes even further to deny rights to those who accidentally survive abortion.
There is a lot you don't understand about abortion and I believe your lack of understanding is deliberate. It allows you to make phony arguments like this one. The Republican party platform has not said that "abortion should not be legal at all - no cases." Then you use your invention to bolster a phony argument. You may remember that it was Republicans who insisted on a life of the mother exception to partial birth abortion legislation. Democrats wanted it replaced with health of the mother, something vague enough to permit the nasty things they advocate.
The pro-life party platform calls for a Human Life amendment because Republicans believe..."that the most basic duty of government is to defend the life of the innocent. Every person, however frail or vulnerable, has a place and a purpose in this world.” Democrats don't believe that. The didn't when we had slaves and they don't believe it now.
2004 Republican party platform
Well, ljmac - if you talk to some pro-lifers, they disagree - they think that having conditions on allowing abortions ONLY in cases of rape, incest, mother's life endangered - that this is NOT the pro-life stance. And so, since McCain and Bush both share this stance, they are not considered pro-life by some. Just ask John (SovereignIsHe) on here if you don't believe me.
BTW, you're wrong about the GOP stance on abortion. McCain has tried to change it so that it would include the 3 exceptions: rape, incest, mother's life endangered. Ie, the GOP platform does NOT include the 3 exceptions: rape, incest, mother's life endangered:
"McCain Poised to Flip on GOP Abortion Platform
In '00 and '07, McCain Called for Exceptions in GOP's Platform on Abortion for Rape, Incest, Mother's Life
RSS Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., faces enormous pressure from social conservatives to ignore his repeated commitment to change the GOP's platform on abortion.
Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., harshly criticized then-Gov. George W. Bush for not challenging the Republican Party platform for failing to permit abortions in the case of rape, incest or health of the mother, but the likely GOP nominee is now poised to take the same position.
(ABC News Photo Illustration)"If he were to change the party platform," to account for exceptions such as rape, incest or risk to the mother's life, "I think that would be political suicide," said Tony Perkins, the president of the conservative Family Research Council, to ABC News. "I think he would be aborting his own campaign because that is such a critical issue to so many Republican voters and the Republican brand is already in trouble."
A senior Republican close to McCain told ABC News that building a more inclusive GOP is a top priority for the Arizona senator.
But this adviser does not see changing the party platform to include exceptions for rape, incest, and the life of the mother as necessary for achieving that vision.
The problem for McCain, however, is that he excoriated then-Gov. George W. Bush during a 2000 debate for not being willing to make this change to the platform, and Democrats are salivating at the prospect of arguing, in the words of one strategist, "that another four years of Bush begins with another four years of Bush's platform."
McCain Reaffirmed Position in 2007
While McCain has not addressed the abortion platform since becoming the presumed Republican nominee, he reaffirmed his desire to change the GOP's official abortion stance following a multicandidate forum that took place in Des Moines, Iowa, April 14, 2007. .."
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4824779
And don't be so presumptuous, ljmac. I'm taking a hard look at both candidates before I vote, so , yes, I am going to nit-pick. If you don't like it, too bad. I take voting very seriously, I am not registered to ANY party - so I'm not going to blindly vote for someone just because they belong to a certain party - which it sounds like you do. I make no apologies for this either.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 8/16/2008 11:32:27 PM
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Well, John, I myself probably would not have an abortion no matter the conditions.
Nice and vauge... Much like the politicans you support...
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However, I <very thankfully> have never been raped. I don't know what that feels like, so there is no way in heck I am going to tell the victim what to do in that situation.
Doesn't matter what it feels like, it's not a just reason to put the child to death... Of course what is really ironic is that most people who have no problem with the child being put to death would think it's completely wrong to put the rapist to death...
There is nothing in the bible that grants the right for any person and or the state to the take the live of the unborn... Any stance that supports it isn't pro-life and it cannot be justified by God's word and anything not done in faith is sin...
John
Well, John, this is tiresome. You know my position, I know yours. We disagree.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 8/16/2008 11:37:06 PM
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Lizahana
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Well, Jack, I disagree with you and think that you are making excuses for McCain simply by virtue of the party he belongs to. So, let's agree to disagree.
Actually, both candidates were very clear tonight about their stands tonight - Obama is pro-choice and will intentionally appoint judges who support that position, McCain is pro-life, and will intentionally appoint judges who will support that position. They even specifically listed the justices they would and wouldn't appoint.
In fact, McCain went further, and made it clear he would appoint judges who would not legislate from the bench, that is not create rights that hadn't previously existed.
And yet McCain still would consider running with a pro-choice vp at his side.
I would have asked McCain straight if he thought that RVW should be overturned. Before, he has stated that he would, but with the 3 exceptions: rape, incest, mother's life endangered. In fact, he tried hard to get the GOP to change it's stance to this, unsuccessfully.
When he comes to Wisconsin, I will try my hardest to go, and ask him such.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 8/16/2008 11:43:05 PM
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Well, John, I myself probably would not have an abortion no matter the conditions.
Nice and vauge... Much like the politicans you support...
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However, I <very thankfully> have never been raped. I don't know what that feels like, so there is no way in heck I am going to tell the victim what to do in that situation.
Doesn't matter what it feels like, it's not a just reason to put the child to death... Of course what is really ironic is that most people who have no problem with the child being put to death would think it's completely wrong to put the rapist to death...
There is nothing in the bible that grants the right for any person and or the state to the take the live of the unborn... Any stance that supports it isn't pro-life and it cannot be justified by God's word and anything not done in faith is sin...
John
Well, John, this is tiresome. You know my position, I know yours. We disagree.
Your position straddles the fence and you'd have no problem voting for someone who believes in abortion not matter what... Your position is like a feather in the wind...
John
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 8/16/2008 11:49:42 PM
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Well, John, I myself probably would not have an abortion no matter the conditions.
Nice and vauge... Much like the politicans you support...
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However, I <very thankfully> have never been raped. I don't know what that feels like, so there is no way in heck I am going to tell the victim what to do in that situation.
Doesn't matter what it feels like, it's not a just reason to put the child to death... Of course what is really ironic is that most people who have no problem with the child being put to death would think it's completely wrong to put the rapist to death...
There is nothing in the bible that grants the right for any person and or the state to the take the live of the unborn... Any stance that supports it isn't pro-life and it cannot be justified by God's word and anything not done in faith is sin...
John
Well, John, this is tiresome. You know my position, I know yours. We disagree.
Your position straddles the fence and you'd have no problem voting for someone who believes in abortion not matter what... Your position is like a feather in the wind...
John
Again, John, I call it taking a hard look at the stances of candidates as I take voting very seriously and do not blindly vote for a person simply by virtue of their 'party affiliation.' Perhaps you do vote blindly that way - I don't care.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 8/17/2008 12:11:59 AM
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Again, John, I call it taking a hard look at the stances of candidates as I take voting very seriously and do not blindly vote for a person simply by virtue of their 'party affiliation.' Perhaps you do vote blindly that way - I don't care.
Perhaps you are grasping for straws... Since I actually take a stand on things it would be safe to assume that I don't vote blindy or stick a wet finger in the air...
Either way you are going to vote for someone who believes that it's ok to murder an unborn child and that is not up for debate... Regardless of what label you give yourself.
John
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 8/17/2008 12:21:35 AM
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Again, John, I call it taking a hard look at the stances of candidates as I take voting very seriously and do not blindly vote for a person simply by virtue of their 'party affiliation.' Perhaps you do vote blindly that way - I don't care.
Perhaps you are grasping for straws... Since I actually take a stand on things it would be safe to assume that I don't vote blindy or stick a wet finger in the air...
Either way you are going to vote for someone who believes that it's ok to murder an unborn child and that is not up for debate... Regardless of what label you give yourself.
John
How do you know, John, I may just up and write your name in - now THEN it would be the perfect vote, now wouldn't it ?!
Peace and God bless,
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 8/17/2008 12:37:48 AM
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How do you know, John, I may just up and write your name in - now THEN it would be the perfect vote, now wouldn't it ?!
How do I know... Unless you've be dishonest here you are voting for either McCain or Obama... Both of which support the murder of unborn children to some degree.
John
Could that be because no one has started threads on the other candidates, and, at least most people, try to stay on topic due to TOS.
But, I could start one on yourself - writing your name in, since this seems to be the only acceptable Christian stance to have.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 8/17/2008 12:49:58 AM
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Could that be because no one has started threads on the other candidates,
There have been threads about other candidates... Of course that doesn't change the fact you have made it clear that you are going to vote for either McCain or Obama...
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and, at least most people, try to stay on topic due to TOS.
From out of nowhere...
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But, I could start one on yourself - writing your name in, since this seems to be the only acceptable Christian stance to have.
Actually it's just your silly way of avoiding the facts surrounding abortion.
John
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 8/17/2008 1:25:58 AM
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Here is the full unedited version of McCain on abortion.
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He reaffirmed his position 08-16-08 at the Saddleback Church. I think people should be leery of propaganda. Also, politicians are not our saviors. We live in a day and age where over 50 million babies have been murdered by abortion. Our nation deserves to be destroyed for this holocaust.
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 8/18/2008 9:52:27 AM
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The really odd thing about McCain's abortion exception for 'rape' is that he doesn't feel any need to provide any proof of 'rape' - meaning that he is in favor of any abortion where the woman CLAIMS rape but is unwilling to file charges, undergo medical/forensic examination - indeed may claim 'rape' months after the fact.
IOW, he's allowing abortion-on-demand with a fig leaf, and a pretty small, inadequate fig leaf at that.
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 8/18/2008 1:07:28 PM
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^^^Yeah, but either way, it is the Supreme court's decision in all of this anyway...
i think McCain is a politician, and is masquerading as against abortion except in special cases (to reach the middle ground of voters), but means to get rid of it all together...
if elected he will probably appoint completely pro-life justices....
anyways, as a post above mentioned, i will vote for McCain because it is a vote against Obama...
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 8/18/2008 4:01:24 PM
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The really odd thing about McCain's abortion exception for 'rape' is that he doesn't feel any need to provide any proof of 'rape' - meaning that he is in favor of any abortion where the woman CLAIMS rape but is unwilling to file charges, undergo medical/forensic examination - indeed may claim 'rape' months after the fact.
IOW, he's allowing abortion-on-demand with a fig leaf, and a pretty small, inadequate fig leaf at that.
I mentioned this on another thread... And you'll find the common exception in regards to rape doesn't carry with it any form of validating the claim so it's really a means to abortion on demand... Not to mention the idea of putting to death the child of rape is completely against God's justice...
John
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 8/18/2008 4:28:33 PM
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One other bit of info I wanted to throw out that I consider fairly relevant to this discussion has to with the nature of candidates available for judgeships. Reagan is often criticized because his judicial appointments were often less than conservative on a number of issues (as were some of Bush the elders appointment). With the exception of someone like judge Bork, who was obviously railroaded by liberal Democrats, it was often very difficult to identify the precise nature of the judicial philosophies of potential appointees.
Thanks to Reagan, in 1982 the Federalist society was founded as an effort to challenge the liberal orthodoxy that then pervaded (and still very much pervades) American law schools. This group has helped produced numerous legal scholars, lawyers, and judges.
And the effort has already paid off – both Roberts and Alito are products of the Federalist society, and as Supreme Court justices have consistently articulated strongly held and well argued constitutionally sound positions on a range of issues.
The significance of this to McCain and this election is that unlike Reagan and Bush I, McCain will have a large pool of readily identifiable conservative jurists from which he can make appointments – he isn’t going to have to fight for an ‘acceptable’ candidate like O’Conner and Kennedy. And he has already made it clear that these are the sort of justices he will appoint.
Obviously Obama will not be drawing from this pool. So I think when one considers the broader judicial issues from which rulings like Roe spring, one has to consider the impact of this election from the perspective of the judges that will be appointed, and McCain seems the obvious choice here.
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It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first..
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 8/18/2008 5:52:10 PM
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CT23
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And it's not just the 4-8 years of an Obama presidency (if he wins) that Obama judge picks would have an effect, they could effect social issues like abortion, gay marriage, religious free speech in the public sphere issues (Ten Commandments in public, students talking about Jesus at graduation, etc.) for decades.
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 8/21/2008 7:17:27 PM
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1) Show them to me, then, John
Search for them... Start one...
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3) Don't kid yourself - reach for it, John
The last thing you ever deal with is the truth of abortion... You asked a question in regards to rape and abortion only to run away from it as fast as you can... I guess if you can't copy and paste about the gang of 14 you have no answers...
John
1) Why don't you start one, John? You're the one with enough time to write 3432 posts
2)  I don't think I run away from these lovely conversations, John - just check the ongoing thread
And, I will bring up flaws with the Republicans because they champion the pro-life cause, yet they can't even agree on the correct stance to have, vote in favor of appointments like Breyer and Ginsburg, co-lead the gang of 14 - and yet want to be wear the 'pro-life' crown. Not buying it!
Peace and God bless,
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