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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 8/5/2008 11:43:10 AM
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SovereignIsHe
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There are pro-life Democrats -
They are the exception not the rule and I can't recall one in the upper leadership of the party... For the record Obama isn't one... The Democratic Party as a whole supports the murder of unborn children. That is a fact...
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some that score higher than Republicans on the nrlc.org scoreboard, as there are pro-choice Republicans - this is also a fact. Please do let me know if you'd like to see this.
Fact... As a whole the Republican Party doesn't support the murder of unborn children...
John
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 8/5/2008 10:36:59 PM
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There are pro-life Democrats -
They are the exception not the rule and I can't recall one in the upper leadership of the party... For the record Obama isn't one... The Democratic Party as a whole supports the murder of unborn children. That is a fact...
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some that score higher than Republicans on the nrlc.org scoreboard, as there are pro-choice Republicans - this is also a fact. Please do let me know if you'd like to see this.
Fact... As a whole the Republican Party doesn't support the murder of unborn children...
John
Cherry-picking again?
I see you neglected to address the consideration that, in the next term, if McCain is president -he may well have to stay faithful to his 'gang of 14' - an agreement between Democrats and Republicans to pick more centrist SCJs. Given the fact McCain is co-leader of the gang of 14 - I highly doubt he's going to pick conservative SCJs!
I'm just looking at the facts, John. If you consider voting for McCain & SCJ appointees are important to you, you must consider the fact that McCain is the co-leader of the 'gang of 14.' I'm sure the 'gang of 14' appeals to some - certainly independents. But, I'd bet the conservatives are not too happy with it.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 8/5/2008 11:30:48 PM
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John is correct without a doubt. There are a few pro life Dems, but overall the party is strongly pro choice. Certainly there are some pro choice Republicans, but overall the party is strongly pro life.
On McCain's voting record regarding abortion, I wouldn't say it's 100% pro life, but based on what I know about the guy, I would estimate it being around 95%. Based on what I know about Obama, I would estimate he votes pro life about 0% of the time.
I'll gladly take my chances on McCain appointing the next SC nominees, thanks.
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 8/5/2008 11:43:37 PM
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John is correct without a doubt. There are a few pro life Dems, but overall the party is strongly pro choice. Certainly there are some pro choice Republicans, but overall the party is strongly pro life.
On McCain's voting record regarding abortion, I wouldn't say it's 100% pro life, but based on what I know about the guy, I would estimate it being around 95%. Based on what I know about Obama, I would estimate he votes pro life about 0% of the time.
I'll gladly take my chances on McCain appointing the next SC nominees, thanks.
McCain may have a 100% pro-life record on abortion. Where he differs from the NRLC and other pro-life organizations is on embryonic stem cells. If you want to check his record against the NRLC you can go to their site (www.nrlc.org), but be careful. They count missed votes as negative votes. All the votes he cast this year were pro-life, but he missed some votes. Those missed votes count against him and his score is accordingly reduced.
B. Hussein, on the other hand, does the other Hussein proud. S. Hussein was kind to the Kurds compared to the way B. Hussein has treated the unborn. Yes, he's 100% pro-abortion, even regretting that it is now permissable to ban his beloved right to suck the brains out of babies. Like so many other Democrats, after 50 million dead they still want more.
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 8/6/2008 12:15:14 AM
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Cherry-picking again?
Please... You are the one trying to paint a picture that doesn't even remotely look like reality...
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I see you neglected to address the consideration that, in the next term, if McCain is president -he may well have to stay faithful to his 'gang of 14' - an agreement between Democrats and Republicans to pick more centrist SCJs. Given the fact McCain is co-leader of the gang of 14 - I highly doubt he's going to pick conservative SCJs!
So that means it's ok to vote for the other guy who without a doubt will pick judge(s) who will support the right to murder the unborn...
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I'm just looking at the facts, John.
Right... That's why you ignore the fact that Obama supports abortion... Oh and the homosexual agenda...
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If you consider voting for McCain... & SCJ appointees are important to you, you must consider the fact that McCain is the co-leader of the 'gang of 14.' I'm sure the 'gang of 14' appeals to some - certainly independents. But, I'd bet the conservatives are not too happy with it.
Actually I am more concerned with those who claim Christ and have no issue supporting abortion...
John
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 8/6/2008 7:22:57 AM
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John is correct without a doubt. There are a few pro life Dems, but overall the party is strongly pro choice. Certainly there are some pro choice Republicans, but overall the party is strongly pro life.
On McCain's voting record regarding abortion, I wouldn't say it's 100% pro life, but based on what I know about the guy, I would estimate it being around 95%. Based on what I know about Obama, I would estimate he votes pro life about 0% of the time.
I'll gladly take my chances on McCain appointing the next SC nominees, thanks.
McCain scores a 66% from nrlc.org. If you apply this as a measuring stick against Democrats, you must apply the same to McCain.
McCain is also co-leader of the Gang of 14 - an agreement between Democrats and Republicans to pick centrist SCJs, so I highly doubt he is going to back on this agreement if elected president. Google search yourself.
Just my two cents.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 8/6/2008 7:30:13 AM
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Cherry-picking again?
Please... You are the one trying to paint a picture that doesn't even remotely look like reality...
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I see you neglected to address the consideration that, in the next term, if McCain is president -he may well have to stay faithful to his 'gang of 14' - an agreement between Democrats and Republicans to pick more centrist SCJs. Given the fact McCain is co-leader of the gang of 14 - I highly doubt he's going to pick conservative SCJs!
So that means it's ok to vote for the other guy who without a doubt will pick judge(s) who will support the right to murder the unborn...
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I'm just looking at the facts, John.
Right... That's why you ignore the fact that Obama supports abortion... Oh and the homosexual agenda...
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If you consider voting for McCain... & SCJ appointees are important to you, you must consider the fact that McCain is the co-leader of the 'gang of 14.' I'm sure the 'gang of 14' appeals to some - certainly independents. But, I'd bet the conservatives are not too happy with it.
Actually I am more concerned with those who claim Christ and have no issue supporting abortion...
John
John,
Again, the fact is that McCain is co-leader of the Gang of 14 - an agreement between Dems and Republicans to pick centrist SCJs. This bespeaks of his history with regards to picking SCJs - the entire agreement was so centrist SCJs would be picked. If SCJ appointments are important to anyone, they must consider this. To say otherwise is plain ridiculous.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 8/6/2008 8:12:54 AM
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At the suggestion of Liz and ljmac, I took a look at the national right to life website, here is what it says about McCain and Obama:
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National Right to Life PAC Supports John McCain for President
National Right to Life PAC strongly supports Senator John McCain for President of the United States and we have supported him in all of his U.S. Senate races.
Senator John McCain has an exemplary voting record against abortion. He has cast 31 pro-life votes since 1997. This includes voting for a bill that would prevent minor daughters from being taken across state lines for secret abortions without parental notice or consent, voting against taxpayer funding for abortion, and voting for a ban on the brutal partial-birth abortion procedure. He voted to confirm Justices Alito and Roberts. He has also voted against endorsing Roe v. Wade and believes it should be overturned. National Right to Life is very grateful for Senator McCain's pro-life votes.
In contrast, the Democratic nominee, Senator Barack Obama, has an extreme position and voting record in favor of abortion on demand. He strongly supports the appointment of only U.S. Supreme Court Justices who support abortion on demand.
During the next presidency, one to three U.S. Supreme Court justices may retire, which will determine the direction of the Court for generations to come.
Senator Obama is a co-sponsor of the so-called "Freedom of Choice Act", a bill that would make partial-birth abortion legal again, it would require taxpayer funding of abortion, and would strike down all current limitations on abortion such as parental notification laws.
Senator Obama even voted three times against a bill in the Illinois State Senate that would have provided protection for babies who survive abortions equal to protection received by babies who are spontaneously born prematurely.
In sharp contrast, Senator John McCain voted in the US Senate for the federal Born Alive Infants Protection Act to require that children born alive receive the same care provided to other premature infants.
The choice for president is clear. National Right to Life PAC supports Senator John McCain for election as President of the United States and strongly opposes Barack Obama.
http://www.mccainprolife.org/
When it comes to picking SC nominees, I'll take my chances with McCain over Obama gladly.
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 8/6/2008 10:03:43 AM
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Again, the fact is that McCain is co-leader of the Gang of 14 - an agreement between Dems and Republicans to pick centrist SCJs. This bespeaks of his history with regards to picking SCJs - the entire agreement was so centrist SCJs would be picked. If SCJ appointments are important to anyone, they must consider this. To say otherwise is plain ridiculous.
Actually, the purpose of the gang of 14 (from the Republican perspective anyway) was to break the deadlock the Dems had judicial appointments. And while I don't think it was the best comprimise, we got a number of conservative justices out of the deal.
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William F. Buckley Jr. 1925-2008
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 8/6/2008 11:28:59 AM
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Cherry-picking again?
Please... You are the one trying to paint a picture that doesn't even remotely look like reality...
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I see you neglected to address the consideration that, in the next term, if McCain is president -he may well have to stay faithful to his 'gang of 14' - an agreement between Democrats and Republicans to pick more centrist SCJs. Given the fact McCain is co-leader of the gang of 14 - I highly doubt he's going to pick conservative SCJs!
So that means it's ok to vote for the other guy who without a doubt will pick judge(s) who will support the right to murder the unborn...
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I'm just looking at the facts, John.
Right... That's why you ignore the fact that Obama supports abortion... Oh and the homosexual agenda...
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If you consider voting for McCain... & SCJ appointees are important to you, you must consider the fact that McCain is the co-leader of the 'gang of 14.' I'm sure the 'gang of 14' appeals to some - certainly independents. But, I'd bet the conservatives are not too happy with it.
Actually I am more concerned with those who claim Christ and have no issue supporting abortion...
John
John,
Again, the fact is that McCain is co-leader of the Gang of 14 - an agreement between Dems and Republicans to pick centrist SCJs. This bespeaks of his history with regards to picking SCJs - the entire agreement was so centrist SCJs would be picked. If SCJ appointments are important to anyone, they must consider this. To say otherwise is plain ridiculous.
Again, you speak of only McCain...For whatever reason the stance on abortion for the Democrats doesn't even seem to exist...
Not that it matters since it seems he doesn't exist either but just for fun has Obama sorta agreed to pick centrist judges...
Btw.... This is what is important...
Actually I am more concerned with those who claim Christ and have no issue supporting abortion...
But by all means keep repeat the mantra of McCain, gang of 14 and the absurd notion of pro-life Democrats, who are more rare than Bigfoot... Since it it makes my case this all but making a case to support the murder of the unborn...
John
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 8/7/2008 7:47:08 AM
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Again, the fact is that McCain is co-leader of the Gang of 14 - an agreement between Dems and Republicans to pick centrist SCJs. This bespeaks of his history with regards to picking SCJs - the entire agreement was so centrist SCJs would be picked. If SCJ appointments are important to anyone, they must consider this. To say otherwise is plain ridiculous.
Actually, the purpose of the gang of 14 (from the Republican perspective anyway) was to break the deadlock the Dems had judicial appointments. And while I don't think it was the best comprimise, we got a number of conservative justices out of the deal.
You mean 1/2 SCJ, Roberts, who has publicly called RVW 'more than settled as precedent':
"Roe v. Wade is more than settled as precedent
SEN. SPECTER [as read into the record by Sen. Feinstein]: "Judge Roberts, in your confirmation hearing for the circuit court you testified: 'Roe is the settled law of the land.' Do you mean settled for you, settled only for your capacity as a circuit judge, or settled beyond that?"
ROBERTS: "Well, beyond that. It's settled as a precedent of the court, entitled to respect under principles of stare decisis. And those principles, applied in the Casey case, explain when cases should be revisited and when they should not. And it is settled as a precedent of the court, yes."
SPECTER: "You went on to say then, 'It's a little more than settled. It was reaffirmed in the face of a challenge that it should be overruled in the Casey decision, so it has added precedental value.'"
ROBERTS: "I think the initial question for the judge confronting an issue in this area, you don't go straight to the Roe decision. You begin with Casey, which modified the Roe framework and reaffirmed its central holding."
Source: Sam Alito Senate Confirmation Hearings Jan 11, 2006 "
http://www.ontheissues.org/Court/John_Roberts_Abortion.htm
And, um, no. An op piece from Bob Barr:
"... Mr. McCain is a convenient convert to the cause of sound judicial appointments. He has never paid much attention to judicial philosophy, backing both Clinton Supreme Court nominees – Stephen Breyer and Ruth Bader Ginsburg. He also participated in the so-called "Gang of 14," which favored centrist over conservative nominees as part of a compromise between President George W. Bush and Senate Democrats. ... "
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121625042990560111.html
Not only did McCain back Clintons SCJ, but before he started running for president, he publicly stated that he'd overturn RVW, but keep rare exceptions:
"Overturn Roe v. Wade, but keep incest & rape exceptions
McCain said he thought Roe v. Wade should be overturned and said he would support exceptions to a ban on abortion in cases of rape, incest, and when the mother’s life is in danger.
Source: Boston Globe, p. A11 Jan 22, 2000 "
http://www.ontheissues.org/Social/John_McCain_Abortion.htm
But, I suppose you'll find excuses, turn away from the aforementioned.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 8/7/2008 7:53:05 AM
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Cherry-picking again?
Please... You are the one trying to paint a picture that doesn't even remotely look like reality...
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I see you neglected to address the consideration that, in the next term, if McCain is president -he may well have to stay faithful to his 'gang of 14' - an agreement between Democrats and Republicans to pick more centrist SCJs. Given the fact McCain is co-leader of the gang of 14 - I highly doubt he's going to pick conservative SCJs!
So that means it's ok to vote for the other guy who without a doubt will pick judge(s) who will support the right to murder the unborn...
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I'm just looking at the facts, John.
Right... That's why you ignore the fact that Obama supports abortion... Oh and the homosexual agenda...
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If you consider voting for McCain... & SCJ appointees are important to you, you must consider the fact that McCain is the co-leader of the 'gang of 14.' I'm sure the 'gang of 14' appeals to some - certainly independents. But, I'd bet the conservatives are not too happy with it.
Actually I am more concerned with those who claim Christ and have no issue supporting abortion...
John
John,
Again, the fact is that McCain is co-leader of the Gang of 14 - an agreement between Dems and Republicans to pick centrist SCJs. This bespeaks of his history with regards to picking SCJs - the entire agreement was so centrist SCJs would be picked. If SCJ appointments are important to anyone, they must consider this. To say otherwise is plain ridiculous.
Again, you speak of only McCain...For whatever reason the stance on abortion for the Democrats doesn't even seem to exist...
Not that it matters since it seems he doesn't exist either but just for fun has Obama sorta agreed to pick centrist judges...
Btw.... This is what is important...
Actually I am more concerned with those who claim Christ and have no issue supporting abortion...
But by all means keep repeat the mantra of McCain, gang of 14 and the absurd notion of pro-life Democrats, who are more rare than Bigfoot... Since it it makes my case this all but making a case to support the murder of the unborn...
John
Hi John,
1) this thread is about McCain, not Obama. Check the title of the thread if you don't believe me.
2) I do pay attention to the Democrats stance - hence the reason I know there are some pro-life Democrats out there.
3) btw, I see you can't address McCain's co-leadership in the Gang of 14 because you can't defend it.
McCain's co-leadership of the Gang of 14 to pick centrist SCJ, coupled with the fact that he has not promised to use an anti-abortion litmus test on SCJ would indicate that he most likely will not appoint conservative SCJs. This and the fact that the Republicans have had 3 decades of appointing the majority of SCJ, and STILL RVW has not been overturned.
And you do realize that, though McCain has said he'd want RVW overturned, however, he would allow abortions in the 3 rare cases: rape, incest, mother's life endangered. And, McCain also did back the Clinton SCJs - just a little hint there.
Therefore, in the matter of voting for president in '08, and the issue of SCJ, the issue of SCJ appointments is.......all together now, girls!:
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Peace and God bless,
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 8/7/2008 10:11:03 AM
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But, I suppose you'll find excuses, turn away from the aforementioned.
No, I will agree with Roberts - all Supreme Court rulings are settled precedent until the court overturns such rulings.
Roberts and Alito are among the most conservative justices ever appointed - they have consistently voted along the strict constructionist lines with Scalia and Thomas. Those are the facts, that is reality - and McCain has made it clear those are th sort of justices he would support, and Obama has made it clear those are the sort of justices he would oppose. If there is any chance of modifying Roe it's in the courts, McCain, whatever your rather weak attempts to muddle the issue, is really the only option in this race.
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 8/7/2008 10:38:20 AM
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(1) this thread is about McCain, not Obama. Check the title of the thread if you don't believe me.
My point is about those who claim Christ and have no issue supporting abortion...
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2) I do pay attention to the Democrats stance - hence the reason I know there are some pro-life Democrats out there.
Of course the Democratic stance on abortion is pro-abortion... Speaking about the few pro-life ones is disingenuous and lends weight to the fact you are simply grasping for relief in order to support abortion.
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3) btw, I see you can't address McCain's co-leadership in the Gang of 14 because you can't defend it.
I am not defending McCain so I really don't care to address your smoke screens you post in order to justify your support for the murder of the unborn.
John
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 8/8/2008 9:02:50 PM
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But, I suppose you'll find excuses, turn away from the aforementioned.
No, I will agree with Roberts - all Supreme Court rulings are settled precedent until the court overturns such rulings.
Roberts and Alito are among the most conservative justices ever appointed - they have consistently voted along the strict constructionist lines with Scalia and Thomas. Those are the facts, that is reality - and McCain has made it clear those are th sort of justices he would support, and Obama has made it clear those are the sort of justices he would oppose. If there is any chance of modifying Roe it's in the courts, McCain, whatever your rather weak attempts to muddle the issue, is really the only option in this race.
Well, I think you're the one muddling here, Jack.
If Roberts is so desirable with overturning RVW, why did he say this:
"ROBERTS: "I think the initial question for the judge confronting an issue in this area, you don't go straight to the Roe decision. You begin with Casey, which modified the Roe framework and reaffirmed its central holding."
You know, Casey v PP - the case where Reagan-appointed Kennedy had the deciding vote to overturn RVW, and did not - Roberts is saying that this reaffirmed RVWs central holding.
And why didn't you address McCain's remarks?:
"Overturn Roe v. Wade, but keep incest & rape exceptions
McCain said he thought Roe v. Wade should be overturned and said he would support exceptions to a ban on abortion in cases of rape, incest, and when the mother’s life is in danger.
Source: Boston Globe, p. A11 Jan 22, 2000 "
http://www.ontheissues.org/Social/John_McCain_Abortion.htm
On the Gang of 14 - I quoted Bob Barr as saying:
"... Mr. McCain is a convenient convert to the cause of sound judicial appointments. He has never paid much attention to judicial philosophy, backing both Clinton Supreme Court nominees – Stephen Breyer and Ruth Bader Ginsburg. He also participated in the so-called "Gang of 14," which favored centrist over conservative nominees as part of a compromise between President George W. Bush and Senate Democrats. ... "
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121625042990560111.html
Why don't you address this?
And for goodness sake, the Democrats did not fillibuster Roberts or Alito - doesn't that say something - either that Roberts and Alito are not conservative, or that the Democrats - you know, the ones with the majority rule in Congress - don't they deserve some recognition with these, in your mind, 'conservative' appointments.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 8/8/2008 9:07:13 PM
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(1) this thread is about McCain, not Obama. Check the title of the thread if you don't believe me.
My point is about those who claim Christ and have no issue supporting abortion...
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2) I do pay attention to the Democrats stance - hence the reason I know there are some pro-life Democrats out there.
Of course the Democratic stance on abortion is pro-abortion... Speaking about the few pro-life ones is disingenuous and lends weight to the fact you are simply grasping for relief in order to support abortion.
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3) btw, I see you can't address McCain's co-leadership in the Gang of 14 because you can't defend it.
I am not defending McCain so I really don't care to address your smoke screens you post in order to justify your support for the murder of the unborn.
John
Top of the evening to you, John,
1) Well, if you want to start a thread about, "those who claim Christ and have no issue supporting abortion" - by all means, do so. No one is stopping you....
2) Um no, I am very happy that there are pro-life Democrats - LOL! - why is that such a bad thing for crying out loud?! I mean your statement is incredibly...baffling and entertaining at the same time.
3) Doing your homework before you vote and presenting the FACTS is not smoke screens - but  if that's what you want to tell yourself, go right ahead.
Take care, Peace and God bless,
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 8/8/2008 10:21:31 PM
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1) Well, if you want to start a thread about, "those who claim Christ and have no issue supporting abortion" - by all means, do so. No one is stopping you....
That's ok... I'll make the point in the abortions threads when I can... And I wish to thank you for giving so many opportunities. Of course I doubt you'd bother to post in any thread that mentioned abortion outside of this one...
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2) Um no, I am very happy that there are pro-life Democrats - LOL! - why is that such a bad thing for crying out loud?! I mean your statement is incredibly...baffling and entertaining at the same time.
It's not a bad thing that you have mentioned the handful of pro-life Democrats... The issue is you believe it actually amounts to something... Of course this doesn't change the fact that the Democratic Party supports the murder of unb orn children as well the ungodly evil man they hoping gets into the White House.
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3) Doing your homework before you vote and presenting the FACTS is not smoke screens - but if that's what you want to tell yourself, go right ahead.
The fact is you have painted yourself into a corner with your stance that both people running for president support the murder of unborn children... A vote for either is vote for evil...
John
1) My pleasure indeed - anytime 
2) Well, John, it is a fact that there are pro-life Democrats, just as there are pro-choice Republicans. If anyone is pro-life, I think it should be considered good, no matter what their political affiliation. I take it, you disagree - you seem to think that it's good only when Republicans are pro-life. And, gee, what can that mean?!
3) And so, said the one who doesn't offer to whom he votes for! Please - if you're not going to vote, you have no reason to complain. Criticism in the absence of action is easy, John - ANYONE can do that.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 8/9/2008 11:00:12 AM
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1) My pleasure indeed - anytime
How sad...
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2) Well, John, it is a fact that there are pro-life Democrats, just as there are pro-choice Republicans. If anyone is pro-life, I think it should be considered good, no matter what their political affiliation. I take it, you disagree - you seem to think that it's good only when Republicans are pro-life. And, gee, what can that mean?!
You mention the few pro-life Democrats when confronted with the fact that the Democratic Party is pro-murder unborn children... Unlike yourself I don't ignore the truth of the matter I know there are people on both side who like yourself believe it's ok to murder children. As well I don't have to make things up and reply in a disingenuous fashion since I am not trying to support evil.
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3) And so, said the one who doesn't offer to whom he votes for! Please - if you're not going to vote, you have no reason to complain. Criticism in the absence of action is easy, John - ANYONE can do that.
Unlike yourself I am not going to vote for someone who support the murder of unborn children...
John
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 8/10/2008 8:32:50 PM
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1) My pleasure indeed - anytime
How sad...
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2) Well, John, it is a fact that there are pro-life Democrats, just as there are pro-choice Republicans. If anyone is pro-life, I think it should be considered good, no matter what their political affiliation. I take it, you disagree - you seem to think that it's good only when Republicans are pro-life. And, gee, what can that mean?!
You mention the few pro-life Democrats when confronted with the fact that the Democratic Party is pro-murder unborn children... Unlike yourself I don't ignore the truth of the matter I know there are people on both side who like yourself believe it's ok to murder children. As well I don't have to make things up and reply in a disingenuous fashion since I am not trying to support evil.
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3) And so, said the one who doesn't offer to whom he votes for! Please - if you're not going to vote, you have no reason to complain. Criticism in the absence of action is easy, John - ANYONE can do that.
Unlike yourself I am not going to vote for someone who support the murder of unborn children...
John
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2) LOL! I say it's good that there are pro-life Democrats, and you say, "I know there are people on both side who like yourself believe it's ok to murder children." John, that just does not make logical sense at all - are you feeling alright?
3) LOL! Please bestow the gift upon us and tell us whom you're going to vote for....even if you're going to write in yourself - which wouldn't surprise me in the least !
Peace and God bless,
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 8/11/2008 10:48:18 AM
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VIDEO HERE
In the San Francisco Chronicle (8/20/99) McCain sided with the pro-abortion camp, suggesting that overturning Roe v. Wade would lead to illegal abortions. Realizing, however, that he could not inveigle the GOP nomination with such views, McCain more recently has resold himself as pro-life, even saying he would support the South Dakota ban. What are Americans to believe? He either is pro-choice or lacks any real conviction on the subject.
Actually, I suspect that it is 'both'.
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 8/11/2008 10:51:42 AM
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McCain's voting record has been solidly pro-life, which is one of the few things that really impress me about the man...
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 8/11/2008 12:46:00 PM
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2) LOL! I say it's good that there are pro-life Democrats, and you say, "I know there are people on both side who like yourself believe it's ok to murder children." John, that just does not make logical sense at all - are you feeling alright?
Actually I said...
You mention the few pro-life Democrats when confronted with the fact that the Democratic Party is pro-murder unborn children... Unlike | | |
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