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RE: What will they do when all of the children... - 7/1/2008 2:32:06 AM
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FurGodWurLivin
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I'm hoping this is sarcastic...
If not, you would need to prove that children are taken up with believers during the rapture. Since you won't be able to do that, I wouldn't worry too much.
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RE: What will they do when all of the children... - 7/4/2008 9:16:35 AM
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I'm hoping this is sarcastic...
If not, you would need to prove that children are taken up with believers during the rapture. Since you won't be able to do that, I wouldn't worry too much.
Adam
Sarcastic? Hardly.
I won't be here. I AM curious tho'. Surely you don't think the children will1 be left behind?
A child/infant who passes now goes to be with the Lord. Right?
Hebrews had an 'Age of accountability', didn't they? At which a child/infant was not subject to Mosaic law?
Do you believe children and infants will be left to endure the Tribulation? And if so, what happens to the child/infant who passes the day after the Rapture?
Sarcastic? Why do you say that?
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RE: What will they do when all of the children... - 7/4/2008 9:45:32 AM
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I myself do not believe in a pre-trib rapture. I have studied the matter and find no evidence in scripture to lead me to that conclusion.
I think it is a dangerous thing to be anticipating such a thing if it turns out to not to be the right theory.
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RE: What will they do when all of the children... - 7/4/2008 10:12:49 AM
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I myself do not believe in a pre-trib rapture. I have studied the matter and find no evidence in scripture to lead me to that conclusion.
I think it is a dangerous thing to be anticipating such a thing if it turns out to not to be the right theory.
Hi sophie!
I think there's a couple of threads about that already. Thread hijacking is against the rules, and since this thread is NOT about whether or not there is a rapture, or personal beliefs about what is dangerous, I think marking your post is advisable. This thread is about what will happen to the children at the rapture.
Thanks for your input tho'...
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RE: What will they do when all of the children... - 7/4/2008 10:21:27 AM
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cwb - so do you want only those who believe in a pre-trib rapture to respond?
The others will doubtless answer like Sophie did.
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RE: What will they do when all of the children... - 7/4/2008 10:47:33 AM
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cwb
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I don't mind if someone goes off thread-topic - as long as the original question is addressed.
In post 4, the thread question was not addressed at all - what happens to children at the Rapture.
Kinda' disappointing...
Thanks tho'...
ed.: yeah - I guess the answer is yes to your question TA. I'm not interested in discussing whether or not there's a rapture - I'm only interested in what happens to the children when the trumpet blows...
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RE: What will they do when all of the children... - 7/4/2008 11:29:15 AM
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I myself do not believe in a pre-trib rapture. I have studied the matter and find no evidence in scripture to lead me to that conclusion.
I think it is a dangerous thing to be anticipating such a thing if it turns out to not to be the right theory.
Hi sophie!
I think there's a couple of threads about that already. Thread hijacking is against the rules, and since this thread is NOT about whether or not there is a rapture, or personal beliefs about what is dangerous, I think marking your post is advisable. This thread is about what will happen to the children at the rapture.
Thanks for your input tho'...
Thread hijacking?!? I made one comment on a thread that only had one reply before mine from someone other than the OP. Excuse me if you disagree with what I said, but I certainly was not attacking you in any way or attempting to hijack your thread.
I was of the opinion that the purpose of this forum is to have debate and discussion with fellow Christians and others on topics of interest, but not everyone has the same opinion.
And the original topic was addressed in my previous post. Being that I do not believe in a pre-trib rapture I have to say no I do not believe all of the children are going to suddenly disappear.
Thank you for your most kind response.
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RE: What will they do when all of the children... - 7/5/2008 2:03:44 AM
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cwb...
I will do my best to not sound condescending, arrogant, or off topic. But I must question the premise of the question. The answer is predicated on the notion of a "pre-tribulational rapture". Since that is the case, the answer to you question would be moot if there is no pre-tribulational rapture. Since I, like Sophie, have studied and find no satisfiable evidence of any such pre-trib rapture, it takes much self control to not find the question laughable. There are a couple of things needed to form the foundation for this question...
(1) proof of a pre-trib rapture (which you won't find)
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(2) proof of an age of innocence (which would be a tough sell under any circumstances).
Personally, I don't buy the "all kids go to heaven" type doctrine. Why? Because I was a heck of a liar growing up. Lying is a sin, yes? As a sinner, I was just as hell bound as any druggie on the street. If there is an "age of innocence", I would like to know why God put the 5th commandment in Exodus 20. Secondly, based on your argument for the "age of innocence", I would be forced to point out the difference between Mosaic law and the law of death that Paul speaks of in Romans. If there is any kind of limit where you aren't held responsible for your doings, it is a far younger age than many think...
So, to be very clear and direct about the questions you asked, I don't think the children are going to be left behind, because I don't think there is a generic rapture of Christians and other "innocents" prior to the tribulation. In my eschatological view, when the rapture does happen at the end of the antichrist's 3 1/2 year reign, there will be four types of people... the saved, those with the mark, those that resist the Antichrist for no reason other than being anarchist, and the dead. Jesus will kill all those with the mark at his return, and the "resistors" will have 1000 years with God in the flesh to decide to come to Him or not. Simple enough?
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RE: What will they do when all of the children... - 7/5/2008 9:23:07 AM
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(1) proof of a pre-trib rapture (which you won't find)
I already found it. Same proof as knowledge of God's existence. Comes from within.
If the Spirit tells you different, that's fine.
Indulge me on this passage, if you will...
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1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, ...
Who is the Wicked one v.8?
What/who is removed v.7 before he is revealed v.8?
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RE: What will they do when all of the children... - 7/6/2008 5:49:25 AM
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Indulge me on this passage, if you will... Indulge, I shall...
Verse 8 is making referrence to the same one as verse three, the son of perdition. That is simple enough.
Verse 7 says that the "one restraining" will be removed. However, the Bible does not specificy who is restraining what. The only way to make this passage spell out a pre-tribulational rapture is that the "restrainer" or "he that letteth" must be God and He must obviously be restraining the Antichrist. However, that is taking into account a couple different assumptions.
When do we see God actively restraining something? The only time I can think of God specifically orchestrating a restraint on something, it was when He ordered a blockade of the tree of life in the Garden of Eden. However, God wasn't the one restraining man from getting to tree, but it was a Seraphim and a flaming sword. It's hardly conclusive, but it is more evidence than the argument of Holy Spirit or the church being the restrainer. In fact, in my studies, I have found nothing supporting either claim. Here is what I find... Matthew 24:3-31
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And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before.
Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
And again in verses 37-42... quote:
But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. Notice that the days of the end have been shortened, according to Jesus, for the sake of the elect. Seems we will still care about what is happening on earth at that time.
Notice also the context in which Jesus uses the term "taken". The people taken away by the flood were the people who didn't believe there was a flood coming that were going about their daily lives and suddenly they were killed. Then Jesus uses the same type of wording to talk about those grinding in a millstone or out in a field... one is "taken" and the other is left. Based on that verse and the usage of the "carcass... eagle" refference, it is a pretty safe bet that you don't want to be "taken". As I have said, in my studies I have yet to find conlusive evidence of the "pre-trib" rapture, which makes the answer to this question moot. Pardon my perceived shortness in my first response.
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RE: What will they do when all of the children... - 7/18/2008 5:55:45 AM
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... meet the Lord in the air?
When the trumpet blows, believers are caught up. Children too, I presume...
How will that go over when they're all gone (besides the politicians' phony impetus for all kinds of legislation)?
A gigantic amber alert?
My guess is when everyone who is suppose to be caught up in the rapture is taken the world will say it was aliens. The world is already so fascinated with aliens and so many are already believers.
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RE: What will they do when all of the children... - 7/18/2008 9:09:34 AM
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... meet the Lord in the air?
When the trumpet blows, believers are caught up. Children too, I presume...
How will that go over when they're all gone (besides the politicians' phony impetus for all kinds of legislation)?
A gigantic amber alert?
My guess is when everyone who is suppose to be caught up in the rapture is taken the world will say it was aliens. The world is already so fascinated with aliens and so many are already believers.
That could definitely be one explanation. Or some kind of virus. I don't know...but I do think that it will be pretty easy to pull the wool over people's eyes. Since the world is already blinded to the Truth, this won't be to hard to "take care of".
I think this will play, big time, into the acceptance of the Anti-Christ. He'll be the only one that will be able to make some sense of it for those left behind. And they'll be grateful and see him as a diety for doing so! (That's just my opinion...there is no scripture to explain how this will be explained!)
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RE: What will they do when all of the children... - 7/18/2008 9:56:20 AM
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... meet the Lord in the air?
When the trumpet blows, believers are caught up. Children too, I presume...
How will that go over when they're all gone (besides the politicians' phony impetus for all kinds of legislation)?
A gigantic amber alert?
My guess is when everyone who is suppose to be caught up in the rapture is taken the world will say it was aliens. The world is already so fascinated with aliens and so many are already believers.
That could definitely be one explanation. Or some kind of virus. I don't know...but I do think that it will be pretty easy to pull the wool over people's eyes. Since the world is already blinded to the Truth, this won't be to hard to "take care of".
I think this will play, big time, into the acceptance of the Anti-Christ. He'll be the only one that will be able to make some sense of it for those left behind. And they'll be grateful and see him as a diety for doing so! (That's just my opinion...there is no scripture to explain how this will be explained!)
We share the same opinion.
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RE: What will they do when all of the children... - 9/23/2008 6:58:57 AM
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Katie-Scarlet My guess is when everyone who is suppose to be caught up in the rapture is taken the world will say it was aliens. The world is already so fascinated with aliens and so many are already believers.
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Peter_Gunn That could definitely be one explanation. Or some kind of virus. I don't know...but I do think that it will be pretty easy to pull the wool over people's eyes. Since the world is already blinded to the Truth, this won't be to hard to "take care of".
I think this will play, big time, into the acceptance of the Anti-Christ. He'll be the only one that will be able to make some sense of it for those left behind. And they'll be grateful and see him as a diety for doing so! (That's just my opinion...there is no scripture to explain how this will be explained!)
Those are really about the two best answers I think...
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RE: What will they do when all of the children... - 9/23/2008 7:09:06 AM
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I don't mind if someone goes off thread-topic - as long as the original question is addressed.
In post 4, the thread question was not addressed at all - what happens to children at the Rapture.
Kinda' disappointing...
Thanks tho'...
ed.: yeah - I guess the answer is yes to your question TA. I'm not interested in discussing whether or not there's a rapture - I'm only interested in what happens to the children when the trumpet blows...
What is your original question. In the OP you ask what will the reaction be when all the kids disappear. Then you ask what will happen to the kids. Which is it?
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RE: What will they do when all of the children... - 9/23/2008 7:23:17 AM
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What is your original question. In the OP you ask what will the reaction be when all the kids disappear. Then you ask what will happen to the kids. Which is it?
Am I limited to one question?
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RE: What will they do when all of the children... - 9/23/2008 7:45:56 AM
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NO you aren't. However, you seemed to change your purpose. So you want answers to both questions?
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RE: What will they do when all of the children... - 9/26/2008 1:56:39 AM
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Shalom, cwb.
You asked...
"What will they do when all of the children..."
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... meet the Lord in the air?
When the trumpet blows, believers are caught up. Children too, I presume...
How will that go over when they're all gone (besides the politicians' phony impetus for all kinds of legislation)?
A gigantic amber alert? 
I will give my opinion: Since I believe that the Rapture (harpazo) will happen at the time when Yeshua returns and sends out His messengers to gather His chosen ones from all over the world, collecting an army with whom He lands in Yisra'el to rescue His family from attempted genocide, then the children He takes with Him will also land in Yisra'el as a part of His multitude. Yes, there will probably be a massive amber alert, but they will all be accounted for in Yisra'el. Whether family and friends put up a fuss about their children being transported to Yisra'el, who can say? I would rather think they WILL put up a fuss, but who will be able to argue with the King of Yisra'el or negotiate their return?
Now, on the flip side of the argument, will it be ALL of the children? I rather doubt it. Instead, I believe that only those children who are believers themselves or are directly the children of believers and/or the children of Jews will be taken. If they themselves are believers, all the more likely they will be taken. However, the children of unbelievers, especially those of non-Jewish unbelievers, I would have a hard time believing would end up in haEretz (the Land).
Granted, if Yeshua did have them come to His country, it would not be totally out of His character, but it just doesn't sound right according to prophecy.
Anyway, that's my take on it.
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RE: What will they do when all of the children... - 9/26/2008 5:25:57 AM
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It seems like there is more than one issue I will need to reply on. I think we should focus on what the scripture says, as we as humans can easily read scripture wrong. We should also becareful and take note of who the Lord is talking about within a certain scripture, confirm scripture with scripture. We should pray and ask the Lord to show us and lead us into the correct path, the correct replies. That said...
(cwb, please note that I am not trying to hi-jack your thread, I am just trying to comment on everything mentioned to the best of my ability. In order to reply your original question, it seems like I will have to reply to the others first)
1. Is there a rapture?
2. Will kids be raptured if there is a rapture?
3. What happens to the kids who are not raptured, that is if not all the kids are raptured?
1. Will there be a rapture?
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1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, ...
I like this quote which was quoted earlier in this thread. We must be careful of not reading what we want to read, but reading what was in fact said. We must allow the Holy Spirit to lead us. The best way to understand one scripture is to confirm it with another.
This scripture mentions that something/someone is withholding the Wicked (verse 8) of being reveiled. I think this is clear enough. We will need to see who/what is withholding and who is going to be revealed.
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When do we see God actively restraining something?
It does not say that God is the one doing the restraining. It says, and I requote:
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And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, ...
It says we know? So it must be written somewhere who is withholding the Wicked (verse 8) of being revealed. It does not mention in this scripture what/who is "restraining/withholding". So I think it is safe to suggest we look at another scripture?
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Matthew 24:36-44
36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven,[a] but My Father only. 37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. 42 Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming. 43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 44 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.
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Notice also the context in which Jesus uses the term "taken". The people taken away by the flood were the people who didn't believe there was a flood coming that were going about their daily lives and suddenly they were killed. Then Jesus uses the same type of wording to talk about those grinding in a millstone or out in a field... one is "taken" and the other is left. Based on that verse and the usage of the "carcass... eagle" refference, it is a pretty safe bet that you don't want to be "taken".
I do not think we can use the context in which Jesus used the term "taken" in the various scriptures as being the same. He is not using the same "example". Besides, Noah was "taken" and SAVED! In the days of Lot, Lot was also "taken" and SAVED! What were they saved from? God's wrath? This means that I sure do want to be "taken", do you not? Read those scripture and if it is not God's wrath, please provide scripture stating that it was not God's wrath which they were saved from. The tribulation is "God's wrath" which He once again will poor out onto the earth, or am I seeing this wrong? (please provide scripture if I am). Verse 39 is referring to those who drowned in the flood and NOT Noah and his family who were saved. Read it again.
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1 Thessalonians 5
The Day of the Lord
1 But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 5 You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. 6 Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be sober. 7 For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk are drunk at night. 8 But let us who are of the day be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet the hope of salvation. 9 For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him.
11 Therefore comfort each other and edify one another, just as you also are doing.
Verse 2: The day comes as a thief in the night (for those who do not watch and those who do not believe in the Lord Jesus Christ)
Verse 4: This day will NOT overtake us as a thief (could this mean that the Lord has given enough information in His Word, the Bible, to show us what will happen?)
Verse 6: Let us watch and be sober (so that it does NOT come as a thief)
Verse 9: God did NOT appoint us to wrath? (Noah was SAVED and Lot was SAVED? They did not enter God's wrath)
Read this:
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Revelation 3
The Dead Church
1 “And to the angel of the church in Sardis write,
‘These things says He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars: “I know your works, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead. 2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die, for I have not found your works perfect before God.[a] 3 Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you. 4 You have a few names even in Sardis who have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with Me in white, for they are worthy. 5 He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.
6 “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”’
Verse 1: This is what was said to the "dead church". I am sure that the Lord is referring to this church being spiritually dead and not physically dead, as in verse 3 He asked them to repent.
Verse 2: Again it said that we must watch!
Verse 3: If we do not watch, He will come as a thief in the night and will not know the hour.
I have tried to show that those who believes and watch, will NOT be caught off guard. There are plenty of signs which the Lord will show us which we will have to WATCH out for. However, I am not sure if I have as yet convinced you that there is a rapture (this is how I read and understand the Word).
You should find this interestig:
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Luke 17:26-30
26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 27 They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; 29 but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.
Now I requote:
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6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, ...
I am sure that it is now safe to say that before the antichrist (the wicked in verse 8) those who believed and watched must be taken away first. Noah was safe in the ark when the rain hit and Lot was out of the city when the fire hit. Noah and Lot were "removed" or "taken" before God's wrath.
Does this mean that we will be raptured? I will allow anybody who does not believe so, to provide scripture to proof otherwise. Please do NOT address how/when/where/etc the rapture will take place here, as this is NOT the appropriate thread, I only wanted to get past one concern before getting to the original question.
2. Will kids be raptured? & 3. What happens to the kids who are not raptured, that is if not all the kids are raptured?
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Luke 23:27-30
27 And a great multitude of the people followed Him, and women who also mourned and lamented Him. 28 But Jesus, turning to them, said, “Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for Me, but weep for yourselves and for your children. 29 For indeed the days are coming in which they will say, ‘Blessed are the barren, wombs that never bore, and breasts which never nursed!’ 30 Then they will begin ‘to say to the mountains, “Fall on us!” and to the hills, “Cover us!”’
CWB: I am going off in about half an hour and will only be back on Monday. I am looking into your question and trying to find whatever scripture I can regarding your question. However, this scripture makes me believe that not all the children will be taken with the rapture. I will do some more reading and continue this. I would not like to make a comment with only one scripture.
I think I have given quite a bit to think about and can not wait to see the replies. I am only asking one thing, this is, please do not reply immediately after you read this. Wait a while, think about what you have read and maybe even read some scripture. If you think I am on the wrong track, please do say so, however, I would like you to provide scripture stating same. I would not like to be left behind.
Have a lovely weekend everyone!!! 
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2 Thes 2:1-12
...because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie...
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