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RE: The Antichrist is here and is now currently (06/24/... - 7/10/2008 5:17:15 PM
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tony.nz
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But you might have a good suggestion: Where does Benny Hinn get those Nehru jackets? I thought they were mondo cool when I was a teen but, now that I can afford one, nobody sells them.
Maybe theres an outlet in Nevada?
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RE: The Antichrist is here and is now currently (06/24/... - 7/10/2008 10:36:52 PM
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@bibletruth: are you believing there is no specific antiChrist? (to get back on thread topic)
I'm not seeing your explanation of who the Wicked One is. I do see your references to 'an' antiChrist. Changing or omitting an article from definite to indefinite (not necessarily THAT one can in the wrong spot condemn one to Hell. For example, JW's change John 1:1 to read "... the Word was with [a] God. VERY bad! The Holy Spirit within would reveal that error. Another example is 'an' angel of the Lord, vs 'the' angel of the Lord (Lord himself). Yet another that we discuss in this thread is tribulations', vs. 'the Great Tribulation'.
Some errors I do not believe carry the same penalty as others, but you must focus on EVERY single word in the bible. Some one else here said to not do that. NOT good! Jesus said EVERY Word! Mt 4:4. Just as protein, molecules, and atoms are incorporated into our flesh, so is every single little word of the Word of God incorporated into our corporeal spirit - it feeds it from a seed; first milk, then meat (1/2 dozen NT spiritual milk/meat references). Divide the Word II Tim 2 v 15.
I used quotation marks whenever I said "the antichrist," because "the antichrist" doesn't really exist. The Wicked One is actually the Son of Perdition in II Thessalonians 2. If you read the whole chapter you can pick out the characteristics that people normally associate with "the antichrist." The reason there can't be one single antichrist is because the Bible states that there are many. Every word that I said was well thought out and accounted for, so i'm not really sure what I missed! Reread my post and let me know if something confuses you so I can explain it further.
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RE: The Antichrist is here and is now currently (06/24/... - 7/11/2008 7:29:21 PM
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tony.nz
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But you might have a good suggestion: Where does Benny Hinn get those Nehru jackets? I thought they were mondo cool when I was a teen but, now that I can afford one, nobody sells them.
Maybe theres an outlet in Nevada?
[SMACKS HEAD]
I shoulda thought of that!
Glad to be of help.
But.....ummmm
Im not too familiar with the topography of Nevada. Doesn't have seven hills, does it?
Im thinking, you cant be too careful. If it does, may pay to forget about that jacket. Would hate you to be there if it goes up in flames.
But heck, the AC was probably just visiting his Mom, or something like that.
A bit creepy though that "Nevada" has the same number of syllables as "Babylon". And if you spell Babylon backwards it is "Nolybab", which is a bit like Nevada.
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RE: The Antichrist is here and is now currently (06/24/... - 7/11/2008 8:00:25 PM
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A bit creepy though that "Nevada" has the same number of syllables as "Babylon". And if you spell Babylon backwards it is "Nolybab", which is a bit like Nevada.
I think you're onto something there. You should probably write a pop-eschatology book about it. You could make millions!
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RE: The Antichrist is here and is now currently (06/24/... - 7/11/2008 8:09:15 PM
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tony.nz
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A bit creepy though that "Nevada" has the same number of syllables as "Babylon". And if you spell Babylon backwards it is "Nolybab", which is a bit like Nevada.
I think you're onto something there. You should probably write a pop-eschatology book about it. You could make millions!
Yeah, sure. But you guys would probably just write mean things about me here on the forums.
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RE: The Antichrist is here and is now currently (06/24/... - 7/11/2008 11:28:17 PM
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If the antichrist were really in Nevada, then we'd be going through the Great Tribulation, probably being beheaded for sharing our faith and praying for Christ to return to end the suffering.
But after reading the above posts, I'm more convinced that even if he were living there, we would not know who he was, because God's Word says that he won't be revealed until the restrainer is taken away, which is the restraining ministry of the Holy Spirit. Then all H-E-double hockey sticks would break out on earth.
Saying that the antichrist definitely lives in Nevada is like saying that the Rapture will happen tomorrow at 5:18 p.m. We DON'T know for sure, so we shouldn't be arguing about the details. Instead, we should prepare ourselves for Jesus' coming by talking with God in prayer, reading & studying His Word, and preaching Jesus' message of salvation to unbelievers through words and being living witnesses.
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RE: The Antichrist is here and is now currently (06/24/... - 7/13/2008 12:43:44 AM
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cwb
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, because God's Word says that he won't be revealed until the restrainer is taken away, which is the restraining ministry of the Holy Spirit.
I think the restrainer is the ministry of the church/body of believers, Smokey... ; not the Holy Spirit.
If the Holy Spirit removes itself (not 'taken away'), then how can any come to salvation during the Great Tribulation? Rev 7 v 14. And none ever can be saved apart from the work of the Holy Spirit.
This is why I think only the church is removed; not the Holy Spirit. In addition, the Holy Spirit could not be 'taken away', it could only take itself away.
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RE: The Antichrist is here and is now currently (06/24/... - 7/15/2008 10:00:06 PM
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To the OP; What makes you say this? Where are the facts to back up your claim? I never understood how people could make statements like this one and not show a shred of evidence to back it up.
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RE: The Antichrist is here and is now currently (06/24/... - 7/21/2008 8:49:38 PM
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Proof? Evidence?
SOMETHING for us to go on besides your statement?
These are very good questions to ask when someone brings up an hard-to-believe statement!
Good thinking!
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RE: The Antichrist is here and is now currently (06/24/... - 7/27/2008 4:59:55 AM
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cwb
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Literally figurative? Uh-huh. That means it's obviously figurative.
Then there must also be figuratively figurative. As in, not obviously figurative, but figurative only to the interpreter??? I understand. I understand VERY well. 
Secret Rapture? Sounds condescending. Your style is showing again/still.
What is 'the one 'seven''? Is that figurative? Obviously figurative? Literally figurative? Or literally literal?  Your doctrine is complex.
Are there any 'two 'sevens''? Five 'sevens'? Are there any 'eights'? Gosh ss, this sounds like a game of jacks. Just curious mind you...
I don't rely on Darby or any man. I don't know how many ways to say the same thing ad infinitum. The first link on the left of the page you're reading now has him, and he happens to agree with ME. He convinces me of NOTHING. Do you understand that? I don't believe you do. No matter tho'.
I don't think you'll find too many pastors who do not have Schofield study bible on their shelf. It is not his interpretation. He gives references to other verses that say the same thing. Because the bible does NOT contradict itself. It is cross-referencing, like Thompson's chain reference, only better. Find out for yourself tho', there's no better way.
Well, well, well... Mr ss - I just heard a 'ministry' program talking about 'the seven ones', in Ephesians.
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Are these the same as the 'one sevens' to which you frequently refer?
No matter. I think all of the bible teachers who have ministry programs on crosswalk's parent network oneplace.com, subscribe to the same doctrine that I do. There IS one 'teacher' from whom I derive no spiritual feeding - Kay Arther. Her doctrine includes some things that are 'questionable'.
Guess who was just on the air teaching about the 'seven ones'? Yup - K. Arther.
And incidentally, one of HER 'ones' (or 'sevens', or whatever they are ), is water baptism. "No water baptism = NOT A BELIEVER" (paraphrase). I guess she has a standing recall for the thief that Christ took to Paradise???
You don't include such stuff in your ones and sevens doctrines, do you ss???
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RE: The Antichrist is here and is now currently (06/24/... - 8/3/2008 2:40:35 PM
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RE: The Antichrist is here and is now currently (06/24/... - 8/4/2008 12:55:55 AM
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Shalom, everyone!
ROFLUIC! (Rolling on floor laughing until I cry!) You guys really crack me up! I've never heard such babbling and bickering since grade school!
  
I've also never seen such a bunch of assumptions and conjectures being touted as the "truth!"
For instance, the word in 2 Thes. 2:1-4 for "lawlessness" (NIV, NASB, RSV) or "sin" (KJV, NKJV, ASV) or "rebellion" (TLB) is the Greek word "anomia" coming from "a-", as a negative particle, and "nomos" meaning Law or the Torah!
2 Thes. 2:1-12
1 But in connection with the coming of our Lord Yeshua the Messiah and our gathering together to meet him, we ask you, brothers, 2 not to be easily shaken in your thinking or anxious because of a spirit or a spoken message or a letter supposedly from us claiming that the Day of the Lord has already come.
3 Don't let anyone deceive you in any way. For the Day will not come until after the Apostasy has come and the man who separates himself from Torah has been revealed, the one destined for doom. 4 He will oppose himself to everything that people call a god or make an object of worship; he will put himself above them all, so that he will sit in the Temple of God and proclaim that he himself is God. 5 Don't you remember that when I was still with you, I used to tell you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, so that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For already this separating from Torah is at work secretly, but it will be secretly only until he who is restraining is out of the way. 8 Then the one who embodies separation from Torah will be revealed, the one whom the Lord Yeshua will slay with the breath of his mouthd and destroy by the glory of his coming. 9 When this man who avoids Torah comes, the Adversary will give him the power to work all kinds of false miracles, signs and wonders. 10 He will enable him to deceive, in all kinds of wicked ways, those who are headed for destruction because they would not receive the love of the truth that could have saved them. 11 This is why God is causing them to go astray, so that they will believe the Lie. 12 The result will be that all who have not believed the truth, but have taken their pleasure in wickedness, will be condemned.
CJB
I get so tickled at all the conjecture! Rebellion against this and against that! No, it's rebellion against God's Law! Apostasy in the Christian churches? No, it's apostasy from the Torah! Oh, and my personal favorite: It's a departure of the church? NO!!! It's a departure from keeping God's Commands!
Oh, and remember: "His commandments are not grievous!" You see, the Law of God conveyed through Moshe (Moses) is a SCHOOLMASTER! a TEACHER! Even the word "Torah" means more "Instruction" than "Law!" Furthermore, Paul points out in Romans that this Instruction is more for those who live unrighteously, not for the righteous! Didn't Yeshua` Himself sum all the Law into two commandsments? "Love God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength," and "Love your neighbor as yourself." You see, we Messianic believers keep Torah because we love God and want to please Him, not because we HAVE TO!
However, this man who distances himself from the Torah will teach others to do so as well. (That's why I rather think he will be Jewish and will be persuading the Jews of Israel that keeping of the Torah is not important.)
THAT'S why it's such a mystery to you folks! Many of you ALREADY have abandoned much of the Torah! Now, don't get me wrong; that's not your fault! But, look at how many ways Christians are ENCOURAGED to abandon the Torah:
First, we (I will include myself in this as a former Baptist) were taught that we no longer rest and just worship God on Saturday (Shabbat) but now we meet in church buildings to worship God on the first day of the week. Worshipping God ANY TIME is good, but we have abandoned the REASON why Shabbat was given: REST TO MEDITATE ON GOD!
Second, we are taught that Grace SUPERCEDED the Torah; however, that's not quite precise: It's not that Grace superceded the Torah, but that Grace superabounded OVER the Torah! It is WE who have moved from keeping the Torah (i.e. because we have to) to that abundant Grace, having passed from death unto life!
There's much more, but I haven't the time tonight to go into it. If one is interested, there's a book titled The Letter Writer: Paul's Background and Torah Perspective by Tim Hegg published by First Fruits of Zion.
In it, Hegg shows that Paul did not abandon the Torah but was trying to undo all the commentaries, traditions, and requirements that had been attached to the Torah! Like layers of an onion, he was trying to peel away all the human additions to get back to the pure Instruction of God lying beneath them!
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RE: The Antichrist is here and is now currently (06/24/... - 8/4/2008 10:13:36 AM
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RE: The Antichrist is here and is now currently (06/24/... - 8/6/2008 3:01:17 PM
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THAT'S why it's such a mystery to you folks! Many of you ALREADY have abandoned much of the Torah! Now, don't get me wrong; that's not your fault! But, look at how many ways Christians are ENCOURAGED to abandon the Torah:
First, we (I will include myself in this as a former Baptist) were taught that we no longer rest and just worship God on Saturday (Shabbat) but now we meet in church buildings to worship God on the first day of the week. Worshipping God ANY TIME is good, but we have abandoned the REASON why Shabbat was given: REST TO MEDITATE ON GOD!
Retro,
What do you think of the example of Christ and what He did on Sabbaths? His time was not spent totally on meditation. Since we know that He kept all the laws, how do you reconcile that? I understand your point concerning anti-christ, but there must be more than just Jewish perspective because there will be a melding of all religions. No?
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RE: The Antichrist is here and is now currently (06/24/... - 8/6/2008 4:26:06 PM
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The Antichrist has often resided in New Jersey (the Garden State) and is now currently in Nevada.
What????????????????????
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RE: The Antichrist is here and is now currently (06/24/... - 8/6/2008 4:28:37 PM
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Saying that the antichrist definitely lives in Nevada is like saying that the Rapture will happen tomorrow at 5:18 p.m. We DON'T know for sure, so we shouldn't be arguing about the details. Instead, we should prepare ourselves for Jesus' coming by talking with God in prayer, reading & studying His Word, and preaching Jesus' message of salvation to unbelievers through words and being living witnesses.
We should be doing that already anyway
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For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I the Lord; and none else.
Isaiah 45:18
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RE: The Antichrist is here and is now currently (06/24/... - 8/7/2008 8:07:46 AM
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Meds?
By all means, and one of those lovely fitted white coats with the long sleeves that tie in the back, and a sign saying the end is near.
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Isaiah 45:18
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RE: The Antichrist is here and is now currently (06/24/... - 8/9/2008 9:12:38 AM
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If the beast is going to sign a 7-year peace treaty with Israel wouldn't he be somewhere near there? They seem very determined to have peace before Bush is out of office. Could the beast be working on this treaty? Who is putting together the negotations and mediating? I heard on the news that Israel had released more Palestinians from prison. Since Olmert resigned Israel will have a new boss ... will he be the one to sign the treaty with the beast? Bush will officially be out of office when the new president (ha) is sworn in. Are we about to enter the tribulation? Keep your eyes on the people involved with this treaty.
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