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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/17/2008 8:06:51 PM
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henny
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Good point, and it was in his twenties that his brother says he was a muslim when the brother met him. This is very important as we are not talking about Obama as a six year old, but as a grown man that presents himself as a muslim to his family.
The brother never says he's Muslim.
Where in the article does the brother say either that he was Muslim or that he was a Muslim when he met him in his 20s?
Please give a direct quote from the brother.
The article is incredibly misleading because all the brother does is confirm that Obama's family has a Muslim background, he never actually says in any of the interviews they quote that Obama was raised a Muslim (and as relady has already pointed out, they leave out the part of the interview where the brother says he's Christian).
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/17/2008 8:13:24 PM
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Since people seem to be so confused, here's a link to the full article that this Israeli insider place is quoting from.
Again, the brother never says anywhere that Obama is a Muslim:
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It was in the United States, in 1985, that he first met his 43-year-old half-brother Barack.
"He was best man at my wedding and I was best man at his," said Malik, who likes to point out that his younger brother's name is actually Barack Obama II, because their father was the original Barack Obama.
Their paternal grandfather, Onyango Hussein Obama, was one of the first Muslim converts in Nyangoma-Kogelo, Malik said. However, not all of his descendants are Muslim, Malik added. Barack is Christian.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6333496
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/17/2008 8:22:17 PM
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Maybe I'm confussed by the whole abortion issue, but if he is a representative of the people and the people want abortion doesn't he have to vote the way the people want?
They call that run the government by polls 
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/17/2008 8:58:42 PM
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Since people seem to be so confused, here's a link to the full article that this Israeli insider place is quoting from.
Again, the brother never says anywhere that Obama is a Muslim:
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It was in the United States, in 1985, that he first met his 43-year-old half-brother Barack.
So according to MSNBC Barak would be 66 years old today, I do not think I would put much stock in that particular report.
The point is that Barak was evidently raised (for what length of time I do not know) as a Muslim. And his campaign absolutely denies it.
More lies, confusion, and denials.
As I said Barak will now have to throw his brother under the bus along with his grandmother and Pastor of over 20 years.
Some folks will trample anything or anyone in their desire for power.
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/17/2008 9:28:53 PM
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Ok everyone sing along, following the bouncing turbin.  And the wheels on the bus go round, and round,round and round, round and round, all through the campagin.
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ORIGINAL: henny
Since people seem to be so confused, here's a link to the full article that this Israeli insider place is quoting from.
Again, the brother never says anywhere that Obama is a Muslim:
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It was in the United States, in 1985, that he first met his 43-year-old half-brother Barack.
So according to MSNBC Barak would be 66 years old today, I do not think I would put much stock in that particular report.
The point is that Barak was evidently raised (for what length of time I do not know) as a Muslim. And his campaign absolutely denies it.
More lies, confusion, and denials.
As I said Barak will now have to throw his brother under the bus along with his grandmother and Pastor of over 20 years.
Some folks will trample anything or anyone in their desire for power.
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/17/2008 11:37:19 PM
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ORIGINAL: henny
Since people seem to be so confused, here's a link to the full article that this Israeli insider place is quoting from.
Again, the brother never says anywhere that Obama is a Muslim:
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It was in the United States, in 1985, that he first met his 43-year-old half-brother Barack.
So according to MSNBC Barak would be 66 years old today, I do not think I would put much stock in that particular report.
RC
RC. The sentence is poorly constructed, but the meaning is that the two met in 1985. The ages are their CURRENT ages, not what they were in 1985.
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/17/2008 11:58:27 PM
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Maybe I'm confussed by the whole abortion issue, but if he is a representative of the people and the people want abortion doesn't he have to vote the way the people want?
No... There is nothing one can use to excuse sinful behavior... Even the law since God's law is supreme...
Peter made it clear on this matter...
1 Peter 2:17 Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/18/2008 12:39:26 AM
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The point is that Barak was evidently raised (for what length of time I do not know) as a Muslim.
If you want to believe this that's fine I guess, but there's absolutely nothing in the article you posted that suggests as much.
Again, please give me a quote where his brother says he was raised Muslim.
His brother acknowledge that his family history is Muslim, and that his father was Muslim, but he states quite clearly that Obama is a Christian.
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So according to MSNBC Barak would be 66 years old today, I do not think I would put much stock in that particular report.
LOL
Yet, you'll put stock in an editorial that selectively quote mines from this very same MSNBC article to push an agenda?
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/18/2008 6:11:37 AM
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If you don’t like his politics say you don’t like his politics. If you don’t like the issues he stand for say you don’t like his issues. Why make up stuff like this to scare the folks into believing that Senator Obama is something that he’s not? This is the type of fear tactics that people have bought into. It has been out for more than a year that Senator Obama is not a Muslim, but because of his name, his background and the fact that people are scared to death of the big bad terrorists there are those who have governed themselves by fear instead of faith and common sense. Some call it being watchful, it’s more like being scared to death and God did not give us a spirit of fear. Me possibly not voting for Senator Obama is based on his politics, not because of wild speculations that he is some sort of Islamic Manchurian Candidate. Give that rubbish a break. It’s about Issues not conspiracy theory. Put the tin foil hat away. 
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/18/2008 6:24:48 AM
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Gee Whiz! The photo is of him in African dress! Wasn't this laid to rest already? Or are people who wear Scottish kilts automatically pagans?
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/18/2008 8:22:31 AM
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RC. The sentence is poorly constructed, but the meaning is that the two met in 1985. The ages are their CURRENT ages, not what they were in 1985.
That whole article is poorly constructed, which is why I give it no creedence.
Thasks
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/18/2008 8:26:23 AM
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Gee Whiz! The photo is of him in African dress! Wasn't this laid to rest already? Or are people who wear Scottish kilts automatically pagans?
That was another event when he was on a State visit.
This is just him being himself when he was in his 20"s.
Just keep on defending this guy if you desire, but there is really something rotten about him, his history, and a lot more.
Thsnks
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/18/2008 8:37:42 AM
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ORIGINAL: henny
Since people seem to be so confused, here's a link to the full article that this Israeli insider place is quoting from.
Again, the brother never says anywhere that Obama is a Muslim:
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It was in the United States, in 1985, that he first met his 43-year-old half-brother Barack.
"He was best man at my wedding and I was best man at his," said Malik, who likes to point out that his younger brother's name is actually Barack Obama II, because their father was the original Barack Obama.
Their paternal grandfather, Onyango Hussein Obama, was one of the first Muslim converts in Nyangoma-Kogelo, Malik said. However, not all of his descendants are Muslim, Malik added. Barack is Christian.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6333496
Nice try to twist the truth of the recent article, but you err just like Obama.
The following quote;
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As the Jerusalem Post reports, "Barack Obama's half brother Malik said Thursday that if elected his brother will be a good president for the Jewish people, despite his Muslim background. In an interview with Army Radio he expressed a special salutation from the Obamas of Kenya."
was from last week, and was not taken from the MSNBC article which was pulblished in 2004. The recent article does reference the 2004 MSNBC article for some background, but the brothers statement that Barak has a muslim background is new.
Sorry but you err, and I hope it was from lack of research and not a purposeful attempt to twist the truth to hide Obama's Muslim background.
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/18/2008 9:14:24 AM
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I do not like his polotics, and do not say he is a muslim, but, I do not say he is a Christian. I say that because he believes in things the Bible speaks against. Obama has much respect for Farakan, that man is the devil, and he associates with friends that are Muslim, and terrorist. I think it is cause for concern. Does this not bother any of you, who do like him, or are going to vote for him? This is a serious question, not geared toward for an argument. I think it is great that a black man has a chance to be president, I just wish it was not him. 
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/18/2008 9:26:30 AM
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Obama has much respect for Farakan, that man is the devil, and he associates with friends that are Muslim, and terrorist. I think it is cause for concern. Does this not bother any of you, who do like him, or are going to vote for him?
It would bother me if he had ever actually said or done something that would make me think he agreed with Farrakhan. He has condemned Farrakhan's statements on numerous occasions. Can you point to any policies that he supports that are anti-Jewish? I thik there is plenty about him that I am critical of, but I'd rather stick to what he has done or is suggesting we do.
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/18/2008 9:44:40 AM
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Hi Steve he went to a church for twenty years that was anti-Jewish, and pro Farakan, so I guess you could say he did do something. Everyones actions speak louder than mere words. We as Christians can say it all day long, but at the end of the day it is our actions that speak. Do any of his associations concern you, or make you doubt his real beliefs? blessings.
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Obama has much respect for Farakan, that man is the devil, and he associates with friends that are Muslim, and terrorist. I think it is cause for concern. Does this not bother any of you, who do like him, or are going to vote for him?
It would bother me if he had ever actually said or done something that would make me think he agreed with Farrakhan. He has condemned Farrakhan's statements on numerous occasions. Can you point to any policies that he supports that are anti-Jewish? I thik there is plenty about him that I am critical of, but I'd rather stick to what he has done or is suggesting we do.
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/18/2008 10:41:40 AM
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The point is that Barak was evidently raised (for what length of time I do not know) as a Muslim.
If you want to believe this that's fine I guess, but there's absolutely nothing in the article you posted that suggests as much.
Again, please give me a quote where his brother says he was raised Muslim.
His brother acknowledge that his family history is Muslim, and that his father was Muslim, but he states quite clearly that Obama is a Christian.
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So according to MSNBC Barak would be 66 years old today, I do not think I would put much stock in that particular report.
LOL
Yet, you'll put stock in an editorial that selectively quote mines from this very same MSNBC article to push an agenda?
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please give me a quote where his brother says he was raised Muslim.
You just did here...
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His brother acknowledge that his family history is Muslim, and that his father was Muslim, but he states quite clearly that Obama is a Christian.
When did BO become Christian?
I mean if he was raised Christian then he would have had to been a Christian while being raised; and vise versa, .....is His father still Muslim?
Besides that...we all should know by now what happens to converts in Muslim society
And simply judging by how much affect Condoleezza Rice ( a black "women") had....
I believe Mr. Bush chose the right person for that job; just to expose it for what it is worth...
What makes everyone so sure that BO can go and deal with that in the Middle East and be affective while BO is on the hit list of conversion?
I mean at least they gave Condoleezza Rice a little respect.
IMHO….Its one or the other, he is either going to compromise.... or be willing to press the button and go against his Christian side. 
So in that respect as the Bible says ...a double minded man is unstable in ALL his ways……and his Christian side in support of the homosexual agenda is just a bit of the icing on the cake, …but either way we create the scenario and if the allegations are true then BO is up to his nose in  pies! (no pun intended)
Did you ever read the story about the boy who cried wolf?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy_who_cried_wolf
In that respect McCain is the man for the job, because when the time comes and the Muslims because of Islam begin to cry UNCLE…. no one is going to believe them.
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/18/2008 10:45:06 AM
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I don't like his politics. I don't like his stance on issues. That said, why shouldn't we be "scared to death of the big bad terrorists?" Did you not see the bombing of the Cole, the first attack on the World Trade Center, the 2001 attack on the World Trade Center, the 2001 attack on the Pentagon, the bombings in Britain and Spain?
True, God did not give us the spirit of fear, but neither does he expect us to sit back and be destroyed because of the way you choose to parse words and scripture. I watched the events of 9/11 on television as they occurred that morning and quite frankly, they scared me to death.
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If you don’t like his politics say you don’t like his politics. If you don’t like the issues he stand for say you don’t like his issues. Why make up stuff like this to scare the folks into believing that Senator Obama is something that he’s not? This is the type of fear tactics that people have bought into. It has been out for more than a year that Senator Obama is not a Muslim, but because of his name, his background and the fact that people are scared to death of the big bad terrorists there are those who have governed themselves by fear instead of faith and common sense. Some call it being watchful, it’s more like being scared to death and God did not give us a spirit of fear. Me possibly not voting for Senator Obama is based on his politics, not because of wild speculations that he is some sort of Islamic Manchurian Candidate. Give that rubbish a break. It’s about Issues not conspiracy theory. Put the tin foil hat away.
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/18/2008 12:25:44 PM
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I have not read in the article either anything that says that Obama is a Muslim. I know that what I'm going to say is going to offend, but if he was a Muslim, big deal. There is no law in the United States code that requires anyone serving a public office to be a Christian.
I do know that when he calls himself a Christian, I don't believe it. You can't call yourself a Christian and believe its okay to murder millions upon millions of unborn babies. You can't be a Christian and support gay marriage.
When I vote however, I don't look at their religious backgrounds. We've had "Christians" in office and look at jobs they've done as President....(i.e. GW Bush)
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/18/2008 2:27:55 PM
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What makes everyone so sure that BO can go and deal with that in the Middle East and be affective while BO is on the hit list of conversion?
I mean at least they gave Condoleezza Rice a little respect.
They gave her very little respect because she represented an administration that created more problems there than it solved and since McCain is George Bush the third that mess would get worse!!
BTW, what credence should we give to a view that is a blatant lie and what sort of trust should we put in the words of those that perpetrate it.
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