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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/17/2008 2:53:32 AM
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relady
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Their paternal grandfather, Onyango Hussein Obama, was one of the first Muslim converts in Nyangoma-Kogelo, Malik said.
However, not all of his descendants are Muslim, Malik added. Barack is Christian.
Isn't it convenient that the article the OP posted left out the bolded sentence which was part of the article as posted on the MSNBC website. I cannot believe the levels to which people are descending to discredit Mr. Obama. And even worse, the Christians are lapping it up like cats lap up milk. Good grief.
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/17/2008 3:41:55 AM
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Their paternal grandfather, Onyango Hussein Obama, was one of the first Muslim converts in Nyangoma-Kogelo, Malik said.
However, not all of his descendants are Muslim, Malik added. Barack is Christian.
Isn't it convenient that the article the OP posted left out the bolded sentence which was part of the article as posted on the MSNBC website. I cannot believe the levels to which people are descending to discredit Mr. Obama. And even worse, the Christians are lapping it up like cats lap up milk. Good grief.
It's is a nice bit of hack journalism.
I'm not even sure how they can justify the title, as Obama's brother never actually says that Obama was raised Muslim in any of his interviews, just that his family has a Muslim background (and they acknowledge this in the body of the article, but I guess they hoped the readers would either be too blinded by anti-Obama hate or too stupid to notice).
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/17/2008 7:11:56 AM
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Can I tell you how silly this all looks from the outside?
You are sitting on an election that will affect not only yourselves but a lot of people around the world, your vote has the potential to affect so much that goes on in the world, and all the talk is about whether someone was once a Muslim or not?
I remember during one of the primaries, a news station was doing interviews with people before they voted. There was one woman who responded "I'm voting for Hilary because Barack is a Muslim." When the reporter told her that it has been disproven and Barack has said he was never a Muslim the lady said "I don't care what he says, he's a Muslim."
(I know that not all Americans are like this lady, but that is what we're seeing in the media (your media), and frankly, it's sad.)
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/17/2008 9:18:34 AM
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I'm not planning on voting for him and I really disagree with a lot of his policies, but yes topic has been put out there time and time again, with no real evidence.
I don't think it's right to spread rumors as if they are truth, and continue to do so even when the rumors are proven to be false. It makes it difficult to hear what Barack is really all about because all the media wants to stick to is rumors and myths. You never get his actual message unless you take the time to research it yourself. It's sad that this goes on with such an important subject.
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/17/2008 9:22:01 AM
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Why does there seem to be this desire from some that if a person claims to be a Christain that no matter what the person does and I am not talking about a single act but in fact lives a imanner that is conflict with walk with Christ it's "bad" to call the person out on it... It is what is it... Hugh Hefner says Jesus would have no issue with him or his Playboy gig because like Jesus he is all about love... I guess for some here that's all it would take and the rest of should should just accept it...
John
I think for one thing, at least on this board, the TOS is very explicit about questioning a persons Christianity. That is a big time no no on here if we wish to remain members.
That only applies to members of this board.
For example, Joel Osteen, IMO, is not saved because he claims 1) he had no need to be born again because was born a Christian, 2) claimed that there are other ways to heaven than Jesus (specifically Islam) and 3) thinks mentioning sin is offensive and should be avoided in his "sermons".
So, unless Joel joins up and identifies himself to our satisfaction, I can call him the heretic and unbeliever that he is.
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/17/2008 10:28:07 AM
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I thought this was old news? Didn't this come out at the beginning?
Yes there were some rumors floating around a few months ago, and Obama denied that he was ever raised, indoctrinated, etc. as a Muslin.
Now it seems that at least from the mouth of his brother that he was raised as a Muslim.
This just shown more of the true Obama and the diversion and lies that his campaign constantly puts out about him and his past.
Now since Obama had no problem with throwing his grandmother and his Pastor of 20 years under the bus, I would imagine that he will chunk his brother under the next bus that comes by. And that should really tell us something about the psychological make-up of the would be democratic nominee.
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/17/2008 10:57:29 AM
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Nice try, but you will have to do better than that. Obama having a Muslim background or Muslim family members does not make him a Muslim and his brother never "outed" him as a Muslim to begin with. By that same logic, the woman at my church who was raised a Hindu but later became a Christian really is a Hindu, despite her conversion and the obvious evidence of her Christianity. I also think it is very arrogant for people, on this board and other places, to presume they know more about his heart and his relationship with God than Barack Obama himself does. Only Barack Obama and God know that answer. I really think they are trying to take advantage of the Obama haters who are too blinded and too uneducated to actually read and investigate and will only stop at what the article is trying to highlight. Plus, it has been well established that he isn't a Muslim, his father was actually an athiest--not a Muslim by religion by any means, and it has been well-established that the "madrassa" they say he went to is not that at all, but a school where school of multiple faiths attended--that story was debunked long ago. I don't know what is more pathetic--the lengths people will go to demonize him or those who are so blinded by hate or else stupidity that they take everything they read at face value.
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/17/2008 12:27:18 PM
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I go along with Luther, who said he'd rather be ruled by a wise Turk, than a ignorant Christian. However, even if B.O. was saved, sanctified, baptized, with the Holy Ghost, and Pentacostal fire, and wanted to do the things he's talking about, policy wise, he still wouldn't get my vote. This is the same kind of garbage that helped run Mitt Rommney out of the primaries. Stick to the issues.
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/17/2008 12:57:30 PM
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Jimbo, where did you find this info about Joel Osteen? I've felt that way for some time about him and would like confirmation.
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Why does there seem to be this desire from some that if a person claims to be a Christain that no matter what the person does and I am not talking about a single act but in fact lives a imanner that is conflict with walk with Christ it's "bad" to call the person out on it... It is what is it... Hugh Hefner says Jesus would have no issue with him or his Playboy gig because like Jesus he is all about love... I guess for some here that's all it would take and the rest of should should just accept it...
John
I think for one thing, at least on this board, the TOS is very explicit about questioning a persons Christianity. That is a big time no no on here if we wish to remain members.
That only applies to members of this board.
For example, Joel Osteen, IMO, is not saved because he claims 1) he had no need to be born again because was born a Christian, 2) claimed that there are other ways to heaven than Jesus (specifically Islam) and 3) thinks mentioning sin is offensive and should be avoided in his "sermons".
So, unless Joel joins up and identifies himself to our satisfaction, I can call him the heretic and unbeliever that he is.
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/17/2008 12:59:04 PM
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If he walks like a deceiver, talks like a deceiver, acts like a deceiver, he is a deceiver...........
As a McCain supporter, there is plenty to criticize re: Obama. But the depths to which Christians are stooping saddens me.
Yes, I probably should not have posted that...
But it angers me greatly when I see the man standing in a so-called church, in front of a hugh sign that says "Jesus Is Lord" while his very actions make an absolute mockery of that precious statement.
His record on voting to murder precious, innocent unborn or partially born children etc, bring an absolute reproach on the name of The Lord Jesus Christ while the media continue to chant out "he is a Christian".
We have every right to look at the fruit the man produces and by his fruit I say the man is a deceiver.....
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/17/2008 1:11:05 PM
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Wasn't he raised by an athiest mother who believed that religious was an expression of culture and exposed him to all sorts of religions? That was what I understood.
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/17/2008 2:26:53 PM
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JimboFletch
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Jimbo, where did you find this info about Joel Osteen? I've felt that way for some time about him and would like confirmation.
Thanx,
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Not to sidetrack the thread, but there's a whole topic in the Church folder on him. But I read the transcript from the Larry King interview from the CNN website just after it was made. He later sort of retracted the Muslims-can-get-to-heaven heresy after one of his people told him that was a no-no, but it's obvious he didn't understand why it wasn't okay. I also read his assertion that he didn't need to be born again because he was born a Christian. And I've heard out of his own mouth that he avoids talking about sin (I don't think you'll see the Cross anywhere in his church either.)
Anyway, the thread is on about page 3 of:
All Forums >> [Theology] >> The Church >> Joel Osteen?
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/17/2008 2:37:37 PM
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rcjames
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From the mouth of his brother who never knew him until they met when in their twenties. How does his brother know the details of Obama's life as a child?
Good point, and it was in his twenties that his brother says he was a muslim when the brother met him. This is very important as we are not talking about Obama as a six year old, but as a grown man that presents himself as a muslim to his family.
There is definately something rotten in Denmark (or Chicago) about all this.
I still say the "Manchurian Candidate" fits really will with Obama.
I mean how many of the "Confirmed" exposures are folks expected to ignore just because Obana has been declared the "Messiah" by the main stream media?
Thsnks
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/17/2008 3:19:02 PM
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Without addressing the uh, lie...technically the article says he was raised Muslim, not that he is Muslim. My mother was raised Baptist, but is not Baptist now. I have a friend who was raised Wiccan, but is now Christian. Just saying.
Greetings,
Yes but that big change he is preaching is very unclear...IMO
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12903.htm
"Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel, and it must remain undivided," Barack Obama thundered last Wednesday, earning an ovation from the 7,000-plus attendees at pro-Israel lobby conference. But a campaign adviser clarified Thursday that what Obama meant to say is "Jerusalem is a final status issue, which means it has to be negotiated between the two parties as part of an agreement they both can live with."
Obama found himself forced to backtrack in the face of Arab fury at his statement that Jerusalem will remain the undivided capital of the Jewish state. (Israel Insider)
Remain undivided? From whom?
Then that means is must go to one or the other…IMO!!
The guy is very unclear and in IMHO a compromiser, but what does one expect from attorneys,
From some reason a double minded attorney and a corrupt judicial system may not be in the best interests of the USA?
And if we would really pay attention to that likeness, and the revelation on how laws have been mal-adjusted here in the US and abroad, = (attorneys) it has Islam written all over it. $$
Wisdom alone suggests according to the scripture in v22 of Mark 4...For there is nothing hidden which will not be revealed , nor has anything been kept secret but that it should come to light .
23 If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear.
Perhaps we should listen to what God is revealing in that still small voice of likenesses in this upcoming campaign
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/17/2008 4:26:09 PM
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If he walks like a deceiver, talks like a deceiver, acts like a deceiver, he is a deceiver...........
As a McCain supporter, there is plenty to criticize re: Obama. But the depths to which Christians are stooping saddens me.
Yes, I probably should not have posted that...
But it angers me greatly when I see the man standing in a so-called church, in front of a hugh sign that says "Jesus Is Lord" while his very actions make an absolute mockery of that precious statement.
His record on voting to murder precious, innocent unborn or partially born children etc, bring an absolute reproach on the name of The Lord Jesus Christ while the media continue to chant out "he is a Christian".
We have every right to look at the fruit the man produces and by his fruit I say the man is a deceiver.....
But none of that makes him a Muslim.
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/17/2008 4:32:37 PM
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From the mouth of his brother who never knew him until they met when in their twenties. How does his brother know the details of Obama's life as a child?
Good point, and it was in his twenties that his brother says he was a muslim when the brother met him. This is very important as we are not talking about Obama as a six year old, but as a grown man that presents himself as a muslim to his family.
There is definately something rotten in Denmark (or Chicago) about all this.
I still say the "Manchurian Candidate" fits really will with Obama.
I mean how many of the "Confirmed" exposures are folks expected to ignore just because Obana has been declared the "Messiah" by the main stream media?
Thsnks
RC
RC, you clearly have not seen the Manchurian Candidate (I highly recommend the Frank Sinatra, Laurence Harvey version). If someone was going to be a stealth Muslim, the last person would be somebody named Barack Hussein Obama. A true stealth muslim would be a cornbread white war hero with a "typical" name like John.
If it weren't about a potential President, the whole thing would a Mike Myers skit on SNL.
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/17/2008 5:20:23 PM
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If it weren't about a potential President, the whole thing would a Mike Myers skit on SNL.
Does anyone watch SNL anymore? I could see some great sketches from this election cycle!
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/17/2008 5:39:57 PM
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If it weren't about a potential President, the whole thing would a Mike Myers skit on SNL.
Does anyone watch SNL anymore? I could see some great sketches from this election cycle!
You know, now everything becomes a feature length film. You know, Dr. Evil portrays John McCain. The love interest is the delicious vixen, Trophy Wife, played by Jennifer Garner. Austin powers plays Barack Obama, Scott Evil is Ron Paul. Mini Me portrays Mike Huckabee.
Or, you can go the Indiana Jones rout and Fred Thompson would be the mummified remains of Teddy Roosevelt. The plot centers on the legend that Teddy can be awakened to lead an invasion of Cuba, but the secret plans are hidden under a latrine in Gitmo.
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/17/2008 6:39:09 PM
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From the mouth of his brother who never knew him until they met when in their twenties. How does his brother know the details of Obama's life as a child?
Good point, and it was in his twenties that his brother says he was a muslim when the brother met him. This is very important as we are not talking about Obama as a six year old, but as a grown man that presents himself as a muslim to his family.
There is definately something rotten in Denmark (or Chicago) about all this.
I still say the "Manchurian Candidate" fits really will with Obama.
I mean how many of the "Confirmed" exposures are folks expected to ignore just because Obana has been declared the "Messiah" by the main stream media?
Thsnks
RC
RC, you clearly have not seen the Manchurian Candidate (I highly recommend the Frank Sinatra, Laurence Harvey version). If someone was going to be a stealth Muslim, the last person would be somebody named Barack Hussein Obama. A true stealth Muslim would be a cornbread white war hero with a "typical" name like John.
If it weren't about a potential President, the whole thing would a Mike Myers skit on SNL.
Greetings,
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If someone was going to be a stealth Muslim, the last person would be somebody named Barack Hussein Obama. A true stealth Muslim would be a cornbread white war hero with a "typical" name like John.
Actually Barack would make for a better "typical" as a cartoon character like Mickey,
Have ya seen this one lately?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5t2WgUiHIfk
LG
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/17/2008 6:53:25 PM
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But none of that makes him a Muslim.
It certainly does not make him an honest and forthright candidate either.
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RE: Obama outed as Muslim by His Brother - 6/17/2008 7:50:42 PM
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Maybe I'm confussed by the whole abortion issue, but if he is a representative of the people and the people want abortion doesn't he have to vote the way the people want?
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