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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 7/4/2008 10:11:47 PM
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IBorn2Worship
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My dear,
1dblthnk02,
May I ask of you one thing? Please, you don't need to answer me here, pubically. But it has been on my heart for a few days....
Would you please, sometime in the not-too-distant future, when you are alone, just ask Him that if He is real and alive and if He still desires to have a relationship with you, that He would reveal Himself to you? And then.....
To be quiet before Him and just listen?....Please?....would you try it just for me?
Have you ever done that, my forum friend?
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Every vain ambition and the poison of my pride
And any foolish thing my heart holds to
Lord empty me of me so I can be filled with you * Chris Sligh
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 7/5/2008 9:53:06 AM
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So sorry for the delay.
Welcome back.
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Please explain this.
Meaning that I invested both my faith and my emotions into the idea of Christ, God, and Heaven. But my ideas were not based on accurate knowledge (on the other hand, I'm not sure that this isn't true of everyone).
Therefore, there was no relationship, just a very personal investment.
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Maybe, maybe not. Where can I find Moses speaking “to God face to face”?
In the Torah.
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John 1:18 says, “No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him”
Exactly, and this should bother you and other Christians when the old testament refers to Moses actually having seen God, and the whole of Israel actually saw God himself while having a picnic with him on a mountain: Exodus 24:10-11
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A personal relationship can only happen when these are not hidden any longer and communication is opened.
. . . Hidden by who?
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Mark 12:28-34; Deuteronomy 6:4-5.
How does one love whom one does not know, see, or hear?
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Try considering, Matthew 6:33; Luke 12:31 &32; and try changing you mind and attitude and going back to find ‘your first love’
Sure, right as soon as I figure out how to completely forget everything that I have learned during my years of studying the conflicts that I found in the bible, in Christianity, and in my own experiences.
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No, try reading Luke 7:8-9; notice the word ‘also’ ---Jesus was under authority; God had the rule over him.
I think that you may have misunderstood what I was answering. SavedByGraceMd was suggesting that I was chiefly following and believing what others had to say. This is not true.
But the irony is that is exactly what one must do in order to be a Christian.
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So you need to ask yourself --- are these really “my own senses” or have I been deceived into believing they are?
No. Sorry, but I am not going into the maze of metaphysical condundrums, i.e. "How do I really know that I am thinking this or that? How do I really know that I am actually experiencing this or that? How do I really know that this isn't all just one big illusion?" Once you go there, you end up in utter futility.
Aristotle once taught that it is logically necesarry to assume that A is A, and I agree wholeheartedly. They are my own senses, my own thoughts, and my own experiences. It is not the devil playing tricks on me. If it were, then you should be wondering why my faith was answered only by Satan, but not by God.
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 7/5/2008 10:06:31 AM
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Have you ever really believed the love of Jesus of Nazareth for you?
. . . The love of Jesus the Christ-- and yes, I have.
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Would you please, sometime in the not-too-distant future, when you are alone, just ask Him that if He is real and alive and if He still desires to have a relationship with you, that He would reveal Himself to you?
I'm sorry, but I cannot. That would be illogical for me. If I allow myself to do that, then it makes me a Christian again. But I don't believe in Christianity anymore, and I think that were he real, Christ would know that.
It would be like a Mormon missionary asking me to pray for God to reveal to me whether or not the Mormon message is true by giving me a "burning in my bossom." Why on earth would I pray that? I already don't believe in Mormonism whether or not I receive a burning in my bossom.
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 7/5/2008 2:30:47 PM
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No, try reading Luke 7:8-9; notice the word ‘also’ ---Jesus was under authority; God had the rule over him.
I think that you may have misunderstood what I was answering. SavedByGraceMd was suggesting that I was chiefly following and believing what others had to say. This is not true.
But it IS true, your own words testify to the truth, " Sure, right as soon as I figure out how to completely forget everything that I have learned during my years of studying the conflicts that I found in the bible, in Christianity, and in my own experiences."
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But the irony is that is exactly what one must do in order to be a Christian.
Doth this offend you?
I'm sorry to say at this point I must join Paul in 1 Corinthians 3:1 & 2, for now.
God bless,
Pat
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 7/5/2008 4:34:28 PM
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1dblthnk2,
I wanted to ask you a question...
I see you quote quite a few Bible verses in your answers.
Would you please tell me do you have to look those verses up or do they just come to your head?
Awaiting your answer....
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Empty me of the selfishness inside
Every vain ambition and the poison of my pride
And any foolish thing my heart holds to
Lord empty me of me so I can be filled with you * Chris Sligh
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 7/5/2008 5:14:21 PM
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 7/5/2008 11:30:42 PM
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Sorry to get back so late . . .
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Satan, lied to Eve, telling her that she would know as God, when in actuality she would not.
I disagree. The lie was "Ye shalt not surely die." The rest of it was confirmed by God Himself:
"Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil" Gen.3:22
He, he. LOL. There you go. Not too many people see it. God said, "Behold, man is become as one of us, to know good and evil." Hense, man KNOWS GOOD AND EVIL AS WE KNOW IT. Not, that we will EVER know as God knows all things. Man only gained the ability to know good and evil. THAT IS IT. Hense fear entered our world when we learned to know that there was a possiblitity of EVIL.
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The Bible says that the Word of God is nonsense to unbelievers.
But what about when it becomes nonsense to a believer? That was my situation.
Once again, the Bible says to come to Him as children. When God's word becomes nonsense to you, I'd dare say you've grown up and can make your own determinations of what makes sense or not. You do not blindly accept everything that HE says. That's not quite child-like. I understand your situation. You are much too sophisticated for simpletons and fools who believe things blindly because "God" said it. And yet, that is what God said. He chose the foolish things of this world to confound the wise. When we become wise in our eyes, we become fools in His.
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Believing is a choice.
Yes, but being convinced makes our choices alive.
Believing is a choice, being convinced is being of one mind . . . not doubtful. The bible speaks many things of the double minded man.
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 7/6/2008 10:36:18 AM
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But it IS true, your own words testify to the truth, " Sure, right as soon as I figure out how to completely forget everything that I have learned during my years of studying the conflicts that I found in the bible, in Christianity, and in my own experiences."
Read it again: "conflicts that I have found in the bible" ; "my own experiences"
And, yes, information gleaned from other learned authors, speakers, acquaintences, etc. How else do you learn something new?
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Doth this offend you?
No, but it is a logical contradiction:
"Don't blindly accept what people tell you; just blindly accept what the bible says."
Blind is blind.
"For we walk by faith, not by sight" 2Co.5:7
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I'm sorry to say at this point I must join Paul in 1 Corinthians 3:1 & 2, for now.
I hardly think myself a babe in Christ, Pat. I am as familiar with the meat as I am with the milk.
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Would you please tell me do you have to look those verses up or do they just come to your head?
(In case you are still around to see my answer)
Usually they come to me, then I look them up for confirmation of exact wording and placement, etc.
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 7/6/2008 10:46:13 AM
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He, he. LOL. There you go. Not too many people see it.
Neither did you.
The serpent's words--
"For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil." Gen.3:5
God's words--
"Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil" Gen.3:22
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He chose the foolish things of this world to confound the wise. When we become wise in our eyes, we become fools in His.
Okay. So, now what?
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Believing is a choice, being convinced is being of one mind . . . not doubtful. The bible speaks many things of the double minded man.
Well, only one verse comes to mind . . .
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 7/6/2008 2:14:42 PM
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I hardly think myself a babe in Christ, Pat. I am as familiar with the meat as I am with the milk.
Hebrews 5:13-14,
"For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil."
From your own words you lost your faith and disbelieve the bible --- not using or excercizing the Word of God; so your statement makes no sense to me.
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 7/6/2008 6:26:57 PM
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BTW, I do believe you had once came to the meat, and possibly partaken for short time but something happened and you ended up at Hebrews 5:12 and crashed. Would you allow me to tell you what I think happened to you; without being offended?
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 7/7/2008 8:16:01 PM
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From your own words you lost your faith and disbelieve the bible --- not using or excercizing the Word of God;
Well, he said "have their senses exercised." Are you perhaps suggesting that my senses are dull?
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Would you allow me to tell you what I think happened to you; without being offended?
You mean without me being offended? Sure, I would like to know your opinion on the matter.
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 7/8/2008 4:24:47 AM
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Can you describe color to a blind man?
I am red green colorblind and people ask me...what does green look like to you. My answer? Well what does green look like to you?
My point? Trying to prove God to someone who does not believe in God is impossible. Using the bible to prove God to someone who does not believe the bible is inerrent....is an oxymoron.
Do we need proof to have faith in God? Nope. What did Jesys say to Thomas after he placed his hands inside Jesus wounds?
That...is your answer. Ten pages of debate...and nothing has changed.
God leads people to Him. Let God do His thing.
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 7/9/2008 9:33:12 AM
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Trying to prove God to someone who does not believe in God is impossible.
But according to the bible, God can and used to prove himself on several occassions.
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Using the bible to prove God to someone who does not believe the bible is inerrent....is an oxymoron.
This is true to an extent: it depends on the person in question's position on how errant the bible is. As for me, just because I do not accept the bible as completely inerrant does not mean that I disregard it altogether.
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Do we need proof to have faith in God? Nope.
No, but according to Hebrews 11:1 there should be evidence of the unseen in one's faith.
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God leads people to Him. Let God do His thing.
This is wise. I am reminded of the last line of Acts 2 which states, "And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved."
Maybe I was just called before my time or something-- I don't know.
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 7/9/2008 9:34:29 AM
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Would you allow me to tell you what I think happened to you
I'm still waitin' on ya, Pat . . .
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 7/9/2008 11:35:30 PM
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Would you allow me to tell you what I think happened to you
I'm still waitin' on ya, Pat . . .
I haven't forgotten; it's just been a very busy week for me; I'll get to you as soon as I can. I really apologize for the delay.
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 7/10/2008 10:29:19 AM
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I’m going to have to do this in a couple postings, due to my being so busy. I really hope this will be okay with you.
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From your own words you lost your faith and disbelieve the bible --- not using or excercizing the Word of God;
Well, he said "have their senses exercised." Are you perhaps suggesting that my senses are dull?
Dull of hearing? Well, yes and no; more like dulled excitement, and confusion of relationships, that’s end result is dull of hearing.
Hebrews 5:11-12 says,
“Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing. For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. “
You know sometimes, in the physical real, even adults; after a tooth extraction, or illness --- such as intestinal flu; need to go on soft foods and/or liquid diet for a short period of time until healing has advanced to the taking of solids again. I think sometimes, in the spiritual realm, we miss things, misunderstand things, or ….., that result in dulled excitement, and confusion, and etc. and we find ourselves in need of healing --- "and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. "
I don’t find this strange.
It is this ‘or ….. ‘, that I think happened to you; I think that you got hit with a gang of ugly facts.
I really must run; more as soon as I can.
Pat
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 7/11/2008 4:39:14 PM
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Yes, I think a gang of ugly facts confronted you. Someone should have taught you; my guess is they didn’t; how to see through things because they can be distorted when we look at them. Have you ever experienced serious misunderstanding because people looked at you rather than saw into you? If they could have seen into the circumstances, it would have been a totally different picture.
It is critical that we learn to see through rather than just at something because very seldom does reality appear on the surface of a situation; it is almost always deeper than or hidden under circumstances. Reality is usually not something you can see, but is of greater significance than all that it apparent and observable. The appearance is almost always superficial and unreal. For example: On a Christians first visit to Las Vegas --- the lights and glamour of the city would fascinate them, but most Christians who have ever been there knows the appearance of beauty is far from the truth. What goes on underneath the lights is vile.
The same principle --- don’t look at but see through --- was stated when David was chosen to be king: “God judges persons differently than humans do. Men and women look at the face; God was looking into the heart:” (1 Samuel 16:7 MSG). God was looking for some kind of reality in David that neither Saul nor anyone else was manifesting. He was looking for proof that David’s heart was one that would follow after Him.
The western Church (America, Australia, etc.) is increasingly based upon appearance. The Church in the New Testament was absolutely determined to keep people in reality. Jesus told us that we would suffer: your parents will turn against you, you will be in trouble with the authorities, people will turn against you because you are using My name. He was keeping us in absolute reality so that we did not become a romantic follower and set ourselves up to be offended. The church today (for the most part the western church) is not teaching us about suffering. This is particularly true of the mega-Church. We are enthralled with appearance, but God simply will not allow us to continue to live in unreality, illusion, and deception.
A gang of ugly facts will brake in upon us; as on the Las Vegas example; we can apply the same principle of ugly facts to the United Nations, the FBI, the police departments, school boards, etc. External appearances are designed to romance and/or intimidate, but when we see how the inside of the system works, we are shocked. It is then that the gang of ugly facts begin to show us the politics, financial mismanagement, and downright inanity or lack of capacity to make decisions that is so prevalent in our society. Appearance is one thing, inside reality is another. Reality does not appear on the surface, it has to be revealed to us by some gang of ugly facts that God our Father allows us to see.
Martin Luther experienced this gang of ugly facts in the realm of the spiritual. Like most people of his day, Luther loved and obeyed the Holy Roman Church without reservation. But a gang of ugly facts kept nagging at him until his spiritual adviser sent him to Rome for spiritual illumination and comfort. He was sent to see the beauty, power, and strength of the eternal church. When he got there, Martin Luther saw distortion. His mental images of the holy church was washed away and he saw the ugly reality of the sexuality and political corruption. He saw the inner workings of the church: people swayed by propaganda and yielding to intimidation. He crashed and burned.
People think it was his conviction that caused him to say, “Here I stand,” but part of it was that he knew there was nothing to go back to because he saw the thing for what it really was and he came home disillusioned. Nothing was as it appeared and he never returned to the illusions of his youth.
The Reformation began because God forced upon Luther, and subsequently the larger church, a gang of ugly facts. When he faced (not run, not hide, not made excuses for) those facts, the Kingdom, Eternal and uncreated, began to emerge out of it. I know a lot of things happened in the Reformation should never have happened. What I’m trying to identify is that reality is always different than appearance. Even today, the Roman Catholic Church, whom I love and have great affinity for, proclaim themselves as the Kingdom of God on the earth. That which is man-made and shakable had to be faced with that which was Eternal, Uncreated and Unshakable. In order for this to occur, a gang of ugly facts had to murder the beautiful theories that Martin Luther held.
Are you there? Is any of this making sense? I must go now, but I’m sure I’ll be able to finish up tomorrow.
Pat
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 7/12/2008 10:26:15 AM
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For the last 500 years since Luther shook things up in 1517, the modern church is all we have known. However, modern concepts of the church and the way it functions are beginning to die.
Since 1906, with the Pentecostal outpouring, post-modern concepts of the church, which are essentially Kingdom reality, are beginning to appear. Post-Modernism is going to act like a gang of ugly facts confronting the things we have held to be self-evident and displacing some of our frustration and unreality with Kingdom reality. This transition is not going to be easy nor will it be pleasant. It seems increasingly apparent that Post-Modernism may, indeed, be part of a gang of ugly facts that force us to discover what we may not particularly want to face about the whole sphere of western Christianity. God is shaking the heavens
(Hebrews 12:25-29, “See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying,Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
For our God is a consuming fire”)
and what we know as church and modern church is soon coming to its end.
When truth appears on the scene as a gang of ugly facts; as our beautiful theories die; something in us dies and we are faced with the same stages of emotions that Elizabeth Kubler-Ross (On death & Dying) attributes to physical death:
Denial/Isolation. (“This isn’t happening to me!”)
Anger. (“Why is this happening to me!”)
Bargaining. (“I promise I’ll be a better person if …”)
Depression. (“I don’t care any more.”)
Acceptance. (“I’m ready for whatever comes.”) “Okay, You’re God, and I know Your intention is never to hurt me, so I receive it. I accept the circumstances as real.”
24 thousand denominations Plus, WHY? Because we have centered on other things that has divided us. We are hopelessly divided as the body of Christ on the face of the earth. The only…The ONLY viable foundation for unity is The Kingdom of God. We have a common King, We have a common Savior; we may differ in details not essential to Salvation, but we can not differ on the Authority, Centrality, or Supremacy of ‘The Kingdom of God’.
To fail to Seek and thus find The Kingdom of God is to settle for diminished power and deferred hope, with shallow and superficial solutions to our worst problems in the world today.
You don’t see terrorism in its proper light; you don’t see democracy in its proper light; you don’t see anything in its proper light until you over-lay it with The Kingdom of God. That’s the reason He [Jesus] said, “Seek first The Kingdom of God...”, then I can give you these things; I can provide them for you; not only the necessities of life but all the other things as well.
In view of the Kingdom, as I said at the beginning of this, such a failure will sure to result in confusion of relationships, and, dulled excitement; we resolve an eclipse sense of self-sufficient. The evident result in failing to see the Kingdom, is the mistake of identifying the Church with the Kingdom, and thus so perceive to mar the Church’s true purpose to: Re-Present the Kingdom.
The response of failing to identify the sequence, of the Kingdom and the Church is to allow the Kingdom to become lesser and thus not of any importance and to recognize the Church as something it was never intended to be. When you make what it is, or try to make what it is, more than it is---you make it less than what it is.
It [the Church] is a representative…., The Representative, on earth, duly authorized to represent The Kingdom, extend The Kingdom, and to give The Kingdom visibility in your life among other people.
Matthew 24:12 and Revelation 2:4 say that because iniquity or lawlessness shall abound, our love for one another will grow cold. Moffatt’s translation says, “You have left your first love for one another.” This is not love for Christ, but for one another. God is trying to get us to a place where we are able to contribute to the building up of the body in love (Eph. 4:16). This is not what Christ does for us, but what we do for each other. It challenges us to love and support when all that is humanly created, man-made, and shakable is being revealed and shook to its very foundations.
Well, there you have it; what I think happened and/or is happening, going on, with you; you have been going through the transition from Unreality to Reality --- like Martin Luther did --- you just haven't finished the process.
Sorry it was so long, I didn't know how to make it any shorter.
God bless you,
Pat
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 7/14/2008 11:16:58 PM
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Are you there?
I am here. I am also very sorry for lacking the time to respond as of late.
You have put a lot on my food-for-thought plate. After much digestion, I hope for enough time to give you my fullest possible response.
Until then, thank you for your forebearance.
Mike
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 7/14/2008 11:27:04 PM
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Okay. So, now what?
Approach this as though you just learned about the Gospel. Just go to God, ask forgiveness, repent of sins, and ask Him to reveal Himself to you.
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 7/15/2008 12:49:41 PM
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Are you there?
I am here. I am also very sorry for lacking the time to respond as of late.
You have put a lot on my food-for-thought plate. After much digestion, I hope for enough time to give you my fullest possible response.
Until then, thank you for your forebearance.
Mike
Please take all the time that you need.
BTW, I found Daniel 1:1 -thru- 4, and 3:1 -thru- 4:3 to be a good biblical demonstration and testimony of how these things work. If you decide to check it out, watch 3:17, and then 3:23 (God was looking for proof that the words of verse 3:17 wasn't just lip service but that they would indeed trust and follow after Him, no matter what things looked and felt like.) the words "these three men .... fell down". They crashed and burned like Martin Luther, me, you, and others, But ... (after any chaff; of their unrealities, illusions, beautiful theories; mixed in were burnt up (Luke 3:17) ) we see in verse 24 that they are up walking and .... .
God bless,
Pat
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 7/15/2008 2:25:23 PM
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Pat-rebel_lady
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One more thing:
If you can deal with a little more "food-for-thought" on your plate; to answer your 'God and Jesus' questions; I highly recommend going to goggle and enter --- CD The Cross by Ern Baxter --- if you can download it, it will cost you a whole '5' Dollars [$5.00]; sell your shoes if you have too  ; I think it will help immensely.
Pat
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 8/13/2008 1:10:24 PM
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CherishedbyGod
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My goodness...
Where did the guest of honor go?
We miss you!
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~I would love for you to come and learn about Jesus of Nazareth with me in the Writer's Roundtable Folder~
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 8/13/2008 11:17:59 PM
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Lufia
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Well, where were you cherish? I was worried about you. I missed you.
You can pm me if you want.
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Give your life to Jesus and enjoy the ride!
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