RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and why?
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 7/10/2008 12:19:10 AM
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Covaan_Meshuga
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That's cool! Whatever floats your boat is fine by me it's just hard to take the lecture about listening to only music that praises God when you were just a bit rude to one of the nicest and wisest ladies that posts on this forum. It might pay you to check out the Messianic Fellowship thread in the theology forum to get a clue why she doesn't spell out God. It is done out of reverence for the sovereignty and holiness of God. 
Oh, wow. That is a very nice and very undeserved compliment, but I sure thank you. I hope I can learn to live up to that, Steph  .
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My apologies. Meant no disrespect by that post. I honestly apologize. And apology accepted. 
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Thanks uncabeeil for that info. No disrespect intended Covaan! I should've known from the avatar. Not disrespectful at all! Not in the least. But thank you for your thoughtfulness.
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But I do have a question for all that I have hesitated to ask. Why? I feared it would be disrespectful and confrontational to the people here. So here goes, since it was brought up in this thread, too:
Why do so many dislike CCM? Admittedly, that's all the Christian music that plays consistently around here, but it is severely criticized by so many, my son included.
My only criticism of it is that they play the same stuff over and over daily, and I wish they would branch out and intermingle more music, more artists, more styles, and add in some Keith Green. Sure, the night music, especially on weekends, gets to, well, noisy for me, but remember I am an old woman  .
While I used to do a lot of public soloing, it has been a long, long time since those days, and I am not a musician. But I just don't see what is wrong with what is commonly played in the daytime. Can someone give me a definitive reason?
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 7/10/2008 1:10:11 AM
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I, personally, can't listen to it anymore. There are many reasons that I have behind it, but I won't go into all of the details unless some one really wants to know. It'll probably be a long post is why. But what about all of you? Do you listen to secular music still and if you do, why?
Hi Wes,
I read through this massive thread, and there are approximately 247 smiley graphic things in it. I've read your posts, and am glad you are steering clear of your temptations. I hope your son is in good health again too, btw, and that you are soon blessed with some awesome inspiration from the L-rd, and can wrap your HHH album, or however you put it.
Secular music... bear with me, I've not been in a thread like this.
secular- worldly rather than spiritual; not related to religion; not living in a religious community. The American Heritage Dictionary, 1983, Houghton Mifflin Co. They define religion as an organized system of beliefs and rituals centering on a supernatural being or beings.
I listen to secular music, and I listen to spiritual music. I also find very little time to really get set in my favorite place and really, intentionally focus my undivided attention to music, as is what I think you are asking- where my purpose for life in the next half hour is to listen to the music.
Why do I listen to secular music? It is everywhere. TV commercials, movies, theater, patriotic events, it would be hard to tune it out completely. Restaurant background music. Jazz, international sounds, opera, did I mention movie soundtracks like Rocky, Chariots of Fire, Jaws, anything John Williams, even Paul Schaffer and Doc Severenson(?) and Clannad, Jean Michael Jarre, Kenny G, Bobby McFerrin's Be Happy. Worldly music can help someone feel like they've travelled somewhere they've never seen before. (Yeah, I can hear the raspberries on that one, but it is true). I enjoy most all of it, and I'll gladly push the selector button to something else when I can't hear the lyrics over the music. I forgot to mention Van Halen's Jump keyboarding. I was not one to be inspired to be a musician by what I heard, but hearing a saxaphone played to the enth degree, or a keyboard, or someone singing so incredibly well- it can enspire others to challenge themselves to become better at things as well. To perhaps be as good at what it is you do as it seems or is clear whoever performing whatever is being performed is. To be fair to the genre, classical music, and those golden oldies of the church- well, they were being played long before there was a way to record the sound. That's right, no mixer boards, no THX, no Dolby or his brothers Dolby B, C, NR- Beethoven was severly deaf before he finished work on his symphonies. He had the legs taken off a piano, dropped it to the ground, and would ask someone to pound keys while he struggled to hear things near the end of his life. It was pure acoustics then too, no speaker towers and mik checks.
I don't listen to any music for the purpose of shaping my beliefs. No. Music is a tool for me, playing a role in the expression of my beliefs. I don't have any Christian metal music that I'd just pop in the player as a way to share my faith from the start, anyway. I'd be too busy just finding some common ground between me and my unsaved acquaintance/friend first, and be listening to the guidance of the Holy Spirit for words of salvation I could share before turning things over to P.I.D., or Bryan Duncan, or DeGarmo & Key, or even some of this more and more rapidly churned out new Christian music I can't keep up with.
Keep us posted on your poll. G-d bless.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 7/10/2008 4:05:10 AM
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To me choosing not to listen to secular music would feel like choosing not to listen to my unbelieving friends' stories or struggles, or choosing only to read magazines that are directly related to Christianity - it doesn't make sense in the context of my world.
I'm very much a lyrics and emotion person when it comes to music, and I love almost any song with a story, no matter how sad and no matter what the moral is. I can learn from it, respond to it, plead against it, reason with it. Songs of hopelessness in the secular world cause me to reflect on my hope. Songs with questioning and wrestling with faith cause me to ask good questions.
Now of course I have a line. Cruelty for the sake of cruelty is not okay. Listening to outrightly hateful music doesn't cut it, nor do songs that belittle and curse. But the line for me isn't "Does this honour God or not?" which may cause others to reject what I say outrightly. But music doesn't have an absolute inherent moral worth to me. It's a medium that can be used any number of ways, and it is only that which is dishonouring to God which I will abstain from. I reflect on my relationship with God, not the songwriter's.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 7/10/2008 5:31:48 AM
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But I do have a question for all that I have hesitated to ask. Why? I feared it would be disrespectful and confrontational to the people here. So here goes, since it was brought up in this thread, too:
Why do so many dislike CCM? Admittedly, that's all the Christian music that plays consistently around here, but it is severely criticized by so many, my son included.
My only criticism of it is that they play the same stuff over and over daily, and I wish they would branch out and intermingle more music, more artists, more styles, and add in some Keith Green. Sure, the night music, especially on weekends, gets to, well, noisy for me, but remember I am an old woman .
While I used to do a lot of public soloing, it has been a long, long time since those days, and I am not a musician. But I just don't see what is wrong with what is commonly played in the daytime. Can someone give me a definitive reason?
You pointed out the main reason why I don't listen to CCM radio stations, they are too repetitious. My main beef with CCM doesn't run across the board to all of it (although to hear some people on these boards there is nothing good about it and I heartily disagree with that sentiment). I don't like music, secular or CCM, that I feel is formulaic or contrived. To me that means, music written with no emotion, sung with no emotion and not relaying to me any emotional connection to it and that is written, IMO, to make money for the artist or group as the sole reason for its inception with no regard to artistry.
I think I dislike some CCM bands because I feel that the musicians are trying to sound like an established secular band to the point of mimicry and sometimes they even do this badly. Also I sometimes feel that one group sounds like another group and so on so that it all sounds the same. This has just caused me to look harder for CCM music I like. But I feel the search is worth it. The music is just as good as secular IMO and I won't have to worry if my two young sons read the lyric sheet or sing the songs!
I am sorry your son doesn't like it. I am sure if you know the secular groups he listens to there are many very good to great Christian alternatives. There are many knowledgeable people in this forum that can suggest music or groups for him. Who knows? If you surprise him with a CD that he actually might like you may impress him with how hip you are in the CCM world!
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 7/10/2008 10:24:50 AM
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Why do so many dislike CCM? For me, it's because there's so much mediocre stuff that gets way too much air time. The "Family Safe" radio format has seemingly chosen a select few artists and will play anything published by them. And those artists churn out the same sound album after album, until it's just too hard to listen to any more. Mercy Me is a perfect example. They wrote one or two very good songs on their first cd, and now every cd they release sounds exactly like the first one. No attempt to stretch themselves. I prefer artists who go out of their way to make each album a unique listening experience.
For the record, I feel the same about any music. If it doesn't sound like the artist is putting some effort into it, I probably won't like it.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 7/10/2008 12:08:42 PM
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Well, all of you are far more into it than I am, apparently. I can take CCM (and enjoy it!) or leave it (choosing other music). I guess I just don't know it enough to be able to critique it. Also, I readily admit that although he's been dead for about 30 years now, I still love and listen to Keith Green.
Those who answered seem to listen to music for the sake of music. The only time I do that is if I go to a orchestral concert, really (worldly, evil, and unchristian though that seems to be to some!). All radio music is, for me, mainly background, although there are a few songs on the radio that I can really get into. Mostly, I barely hear it. It is Muzak to me.
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Why does He keep quoting Torah? Doesn't He know He's about to abolish it?
A tree's fruit is obvious; you have to look harder for the worm hole.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 7/10/2008 2:31:26 PM
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I just love Music period.
As long as it doesn't have me thinking crazy thoughts (i.e. lustful...suicidal..depressive..psychotic)...then I'm good!!
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 7/10/2008 8:40:26 PM
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The only time I do that is if I go to a orchestral concert, really (worldly, evil, and unchristian though that seems to be to some!).
I once started a thread a while back on the "evils" of classical music. It was definitely tongue in cheek and it turned out to be a lot of fun!
I've been to a couple of those "evil gatherings" to listen to the LA Philharmonic in the Hollywood Bowl and the Dorothy Chandler Pavililion (where they used to hold the Oscars) to hear Tchaikovsky (at the Bowl with fireworks during 1812 Overture  ) and Beethoven and saw "Don Quixote" the ballet. The Dorothy Chandler Pavilion has incredible acoustics. There's no echo and just pure music. You could close your eyes and feel you were in the middle of them!
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 7/10/2008 9:19:12 PM
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Have no problem with CCM. We get to go to a Local Radio stations all day concert. Have been able to see Mercy Me, Newsong, Big Daddy Weave, 33 Miles, Fusebox, etc etc....... They usually have quite a few groups there every year and it is very well organized.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 7/11/2008 10:22:13 AM
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with fireworks during 1812 Overture Try sitting across from a battery of 6 Howitzers on the 4th of July in DC, with the Nat'l Symphony Orchestra behind you. You'll be looking directly down the middle of The Mall to the fireworks going off behind the Washington Monument, and the cannons going off maybe 25 feet away from you. It'll give you chills. Especially when they finish the Overture and go into the Sousa medley. Woooo hooooo. Makes me glad to be an American!
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 7/11/2008 2:37:18 PM
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Fantastic picture, Uncabeeil!
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 7/11/2008 2:50:59 PM
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thanks, I wish I could say I took it, but I got it here.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 7/11/2008 3:11:11 PM
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----SO? 6 pages later, is anything resolved on this issue? What have we learned here?
A) Not all Christian music is good
B) Not all secular music is bad
C) No one can agree on a happy medium.
About wraps this up.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 7/11/2008 4:24:41 PM
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I actually don't listen to it. I don't enjoy it, becasue I feel like a great majority of secualr music have no purpose and often focus on things that we shouldn't be involved in or drawn to.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 7/11/2008 6:12:52 PM
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Fantastic picture, Uncabeeil!
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thanks, I wish I could say I took it, but I got it here.
Oops! Although I really like that gorgeous eagle, I intended the "picture" you painted with your words:
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with fireworks during 1812 Overture
Try sitting across from a battery of 6 Howitzers on the 4th of July in DC, with the Nat'l Symphony Orchestra behind you. You'll be looking directly down the middle of The Mall to the fireworks going off behind the Washington Monument, and the cannons going off maybe 25 feet away from you. It'll give you chills. Especially when they finish the Overture and go into the Sousa medley. Woooo hooooo. Makes me glad to be an American!
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Why does He keep quoting Torah? Doesn't He know He's about to abolish it?
A tree's fruit is obvious; you have to look harder for the worm hole.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 7/12/2008 1:13:16 AM
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Why do so many dislike CCM? Admittedly, that's all the Christian music that plays consistently around here, but it is severely criticized by so many, my son included.
Now this could be a topic of an entirely new thread! I can tell you why I do not like it. First and foremost, its way too noisy and screechy! Try comparing a CCM station to the top Soft Rock station in your area and you will see what I mean! In fact even what is considered Hot AC is not as loud as CCM!
Also, CCM tends to be very monolythic in sound also, and all of it seems just about the same! Finally, a real lot of it is basically copied from the worlds sound as well. Add all these up and it really does not look all the good for CCM at all.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 7/12/2008 9:13:05 AM
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Thanks again abiyah. It's one of my favorite memories.
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This is one of the never ending questions Like why do we drive on the parkway and park in the driveway? 
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 7/12/2008 11:14:56 AM
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 7/12/2008 11:31:46 AM
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They just spoke about this on the Albert Mohler Show. It was actually a good conversation. They twisted it and instead of talking about why you shoudn't listen to it, they discussed how it could be used to spread the Gospel.
http://albertmohler.com/radio_show.php?cdate=2008-07-01
thoughts?
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 7/12/2008 11:42:49 AM
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I love all different kinds of music. I listen to southern gospel, country, and some pop mostly. I don't listen to anything that is vulgar, etc. I don't personally see anything wrong though with listening to good clean music even if it is not about the Lord.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 7/12/2008 11:46:59 AM
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They just spoke about this on the Albert Mohler Show. It was actually a good conversation. They twisted it and instead of talking about why you shoudn't listen to it, they discussed how it could be used to spread the Gospel.
http://albertmohler.com/radio_show.php?cdate=2008-07-01
thoughts?
My thoughts are that there are absolutely no reasons why I shouldn't listen to it. If it makes someone stumble, that person shouldn't, perhaps, but that's the extent of it.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 7/12/2008 1:42:14 PM
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They just spoke about this on the Albert Mohler Show. It was actually a good conversation. They twisted it and instead of talking about why you shoudn't listen to it, they discussed how it could be used to spread the Gospel.
http://albertmohler.com/radio_show.php?cdate=2008-07-01
thoughts?
My thoughts are that there are absolutely no reasons why I shouldn't listen to it. If it makes someone stumble, that person shouldn't, perhaps, but that's the extent of it.
i meant thoughts on the show and the opinions that were discussed by the show host, guest host, and the listeners. they spoke about understanding secular music and those listening to it to spread the Gospel
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 7/12/2008 2:48:00 PM
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I listen to a lot more secular music than Christian music. Praise and worship is wonderful for actually worshiping, but not that great to just listen to - it all sounds the same. Actually, I don't really like most of the Christian music that I've heard.
That being said, I will listen to worship music when I want to worship, and I'm careful what secular music I listen to. I would like to get more Christian music, but I have very little money and don't want to do the illegal downloading thing.
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