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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 6/1/2008 5:18:47 AM   
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I don't believe he is the or an antichrist.

I believe he is Rev. 13

Given a time of 3 and half years to speak great things. And blashepme.


His mom is European so there go those Romans!

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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 6/1/2008 11:04:12 AM   
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Examination of the 2nd chapter of the book of Daniel reveals the rise of the revived Roman Empire - today's European Union - which is represented by the feet and toes made of iron and clay in the vision which God gave the Babylonian king, Nebuchadnezzar. Prophecy tells us the revived Roman Empire will be the final world empire prior to the return of Christ. As the Bible tells us, in the ninth chapter of Daniel, the Antichrist - "the prince that shall come" - will be of Roman descent, it seems likely he will be a European.

just cuz a man is talkin about peace doest mean he's the antichrist, i mean i didn know the beast or the antichrist to be coming from chicago lol

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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 6/1/2008 2:14:23 PM   
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Examination of the 2nd chapter of the book of Daniel reveals the rise of the revived Roman Empire - today's European Union - which is represented by the feet and toes made of iron and clay in the vision which God gave the Babylonian king, Nebuchadnezzar. Prophecy tells us the revived Roman Empire will be the final world empire prior to the return of Christ. As the Bible tells us, in the ninth chapter of Daniel, the Antichrist - "the prince that shall come" - will be of Roman descent, it seems likely he will be a European.


First of all, it's not polite to plagiarize. If you're going to take something from RaptureAlert.com, at least have the courtesy to give them credit.
Second, that's just one interpretation of Daniel 2. Nothing in the text explicitly says that the final empire in Nebuchadnezzar's dream will be a revived Roman empire. Even if it is something along those lines, there is no reason to equate Rome and the European Union. Since the EU has yet to "break all others," and from what I can tell has no plans to do so in the near future, I see no biblical reason to suggest that the EU must be the place of origin for the Beast.

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just cuz a man is talkin about peace doest mean he's the antichrist, i mean i didn know the beast or the antichrist to be coming from chicago lol


Again, not to defend the Obama=Beast view, but I don't see anything in Scripture that suggests a Chicago local cannot be the Beast.

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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 6/1/2008 4:28:15 PM   
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Though I don't feel that Sen. Obama is, or will become, the anti-Christ, he very well may be an anti-Christ. Case in point: I find it disturbing that he sat under Mr. Jeremiah Wright (Rev.) and the teachings of Black Liberation Theology (BLT) for as long as he did. It's even more disturbing that he first defended Mr. Wright's views and then distanced himself from the Rev. for the sake of his campaign. I wonder, then, of Sen. Obama's honesty.

Though not the "anti-christ", IMHO, Mr. Obama represents a very dangerous figure within the scope of the Christian church, especially if he covertly follows Mr. Wrights views. The views of BLT are certainly anti-Christian at their core.

Since the views of BLT espouse the "christian-ness" of the black at the exclusion of the "white oppressor", it seems there can be no inclusion of "all" within the Body of Christ. While the BLT movement wished to liberate the oppressed black, there is no room for the peaceful co-existence of both black and white together; the God of the BLT MUST be the friend of the black and enemy of the white, or as James Cone puts it, "Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy."

Of course this flies in the face of St. Paul's statement in Galatians: "3:26 For in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God through faith. 3:27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female – for all of you are one in Christ Jesus. 3:29 And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to the promise."

I can only hope that Sen. Obama (as well as Mr. Wright), if he has not, will become acquainted with the One True God of the Bible and come to know true liberation in Christ; to learn to love, forgive, and even give his life for others, even as Christ did for the Church.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 6/1/2008 6:34:58 PM   
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There is absolutely nothing that would exclude Obama from potentially being the Antichrist. Our understand regarding the requirements are so limited that to exclude him would be naďve.

I personally don’t think he is but if he is elected to be president I will observe him with a very watchful eye. He has absolutely no qualification to be elected to office and if the American people are so naďve to elect him it is because he has deceived them into thinking him competent. This ability would well suite those attributed the coming Antichrist.

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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 6/1/2008 9:11:35 PM   
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As to Obama being the Anti-christ and receiving a fatal head wound, I don't even want to go there. I don't believe he is that individual, but that he comes in the spirit of that person.

Because of the global warming hoax, we will be lead into a world-wide economic collapse. The "real deal" will come forward to lead the world out of this malaise.

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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 6/1/2008 10:02:04 PM   
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well we know the anti christ is to be coming from the revived roman empire so what does that tell us? where is rome?

and by the way i dont think mccain is believer the way he's not taking any endorsements from haggi or ron parsley so to me he's the beast or the anti-christ not obama!

black theogly i not about hating anyone its mainly about the liberation of a people who have been dogged since we set foot on this country!

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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 6/1/2008 10:30:15 PM   
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Hi Jrila…

The Antichrist will more than likely be of Japthetic lineage and will probably be from the ancestral line of Magog. This means he could originate from almost anywhere on the globe. With blood lines being mixed like they have been over the past 2000 years one cannot be too dogmatic about him coming from anyone certain spot of the world.

We know the nomadic Japhetic tribes came from the European areas north of the Alps and the Danube basin and settled both the Germanic regions and the former Soviet Union.

Do you know what Obams’s lineage is…I mean more that what seems overtly apparent?

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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 6/2/2008 8:50:53 AM   
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He has absolutely no qualification to be elected to office and if the American people are so naďve to elect him it is because he has deceived them into thinking him competent. This ability would well suite those attributed the coming Antichrist.



How else could a man that has almost no experience be on his way to be prez. This same guy who no one heard of a year ago beat the Clintons?

Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

By giving speeches, he has made it this far. Speaking great things.

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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 6/2/2008 1:50:05 PM   
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I don't believe he is the or an antichrist.

I believe he is Rev. 13

Given a time of 3 and half years to speak great things. And blashepme.


His mom is European so there go those Romans!


Isn't the beast to which you are referring also called the Antichrist?

I am uncertain whether you believe that Obama is the beast mentioned in Revelation 13:1-9, or that he shares some characteristics with the beast (e.g., he speaks "great"/arrogant words, and makes blasphemies, and deceives many, in your opinion). Which is the case?

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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 6/2/2008 2:39:00 PM   
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I believe he IS the beast in Rev. 13.

Could he be an antichrist, yes.

Antichrist is mentioned 4 times in Bible.

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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 6/2/2008 2:49:49 PM   
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I believe he IS the beast in Rev. 13.

Could he be an antichrist, yes.

Antichrist is mentioned 4 times in Bible.

Who do you think is the beast of Revelation 11?
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 6/2/2008 4:29:27 PM   
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Revelation 13
1And the dragon stood on the sand of the seashore. Then I saw a beast coming up out of the sea, having ten horns and seven heads, and on his horns were ten diadems, and on his heads were blasphemous names.


How does Obama fit the description of “ten horns and seven heads” and “ten diadems” and “blasphemous names”?

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2And the beast which I saw was like a leopard, and his feet were like those of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion And the dragon gave him his power and his throne and great authority.


Again, how does Obama fit this description?

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3I saw one of his heads as if it had been slain, and his fatal wound was healed And the whole earth was amazed and followed after the beast;

4they worshiped the dragon because he gave his authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with him?”

5There was given to him a mouth speaking arrogant words and blasphemies, and authority to act for forty-two months was given to him.

6And he opened his mouth in blasphemies against God, to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle, that is, those who dwell in heaven.


You have already quoted v. 5, and alluded to vv. 3, 7, as referring to Obama. He hasn’t had a “fatal wound” that has been healed. And, though Obama is certainly “praised” in some sense, I don’t see the worship indicated in v. 3.

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7It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him.

8All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.


If you are correct, this passage would not occur until after he is elected. But, in your opinion, who are the “saints” with whom he will make war? Also, do you have any idea as to the manner in which he will be given authority “over every tribe and people and tongue and nation”?

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9If anyone has an ear, let him hear.


I think it is important to let Scripture say what it says.

Your premise (that Obama is the beast out of the sea of Revelation 13:1-9) is based, apparently, on the fact that (1) Obama is eloquent, and has deceived Americans in part due to his eloquence; and (2) Obama is blasphemous, specifically considering his statement about some people’s clinging to “religion”. Even if his eloquence constitutes the “great”/ “arrogant” words of v. 5, and even if he is a deceiver of millions of Americans (with regard to his ability to run the U.S.), I don’t see any of the other characteristics of the beast. As others have already said, many people (including world leaders, and even some U.S. presidents) have evinced these two characteristics, but certainly none of them was the beast.

So I am curious, how your premise (Obama = beast out of the sea) fits in with the rest of the statements about the beast out of the sea—namely, the latter half of chapter 13 (cf. v. 18, where the “number of his name” is 666), and other passages of the book that speak of the beast.

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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 6/3/2008 1:25:14 AM   
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I believe he is the Beast of Revelation.


Well, whatever he is, one thing is for sure. He is Hillary's worst nightmare!!

One thing to consider that I think should be noted is the position his church took towards the Palastinians. For the most part, the Black Liberation theology backs the Palastinian cause. Now did Obama buy into it? Did he buy into the racially controversial ramblings of Reverend Wright? Who is to say? I guess the only way to find out is to elect him. OK, so who is up for it?

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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 6/3/2008 8:31:57 AM   
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How does Obama fit the description of “ten horns and seven heads” and “ten diadems” and “blasphemous names”?


to me, just me now.

look again at him, he is moslem, european, african, kenyan, christian, atheist, africanamerican, asian

he appeals to many. Has many horns. I mean if your looking for a guy with the actual horns showing, I don't think you will find him.

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So I am curious, how your premise (Obama = beast out of the sea) fits in with the rest of the statements about the beast out of the sea—namely, the latter half of chapter 13 (cf. v. 18, where the “number of his name” is 666), and other passages of the book that speak of the beast.

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Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six

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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 6/3/2008 8:37:00 AM   
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Who do you think is the beast of Revelation 11?


Who are the GENTILES? You mean to say, right?



Rev 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
Rev 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
Rev 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
Rev 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
Rev 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 6/3/2008 8:26:03 PM   
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hey bob 97

so basically you guys are callin obama the devil? this is the anti Christ incarnate. why cant mccain be the anti-christ why does it have to be obama? becaues he's a nice guy? i mean i dont get it, all obama wants to do is unite black people, white people, asain people, mexican people, all people. now if he doesnt win u can kiss that dream goodby

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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 6/3/2008 8:41:46 PM   
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hey bob 97

so basically you guys are callin obama the devil? this is the anti Christ incarnate. why cant mccain be the anti-christ why does it have to be obama? becaues he's a nice guy? i mean i dont get it, all obama wants to do is unite black people, white people, asain people, mexican people, all people. now if he doesnt win u can kiss that dream goodby

He wants to unite people and that includes white people just like his Reverend Wright? LOL.

Really, the truth is he wants to become President. After that I don't think he will be all that concerned with unification just like he was not much concerned with it in his church.

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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 6/3/2008 11:01:52 PM   
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Yes he wants to make us just one big happy family...all religions, all races...all over the world. And while we're at it...why not just one government and one supreme leader...sound good?

Well maybe not Obama but you get the picture.

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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 6/4/2008 3:42:45 AM   
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Of course, once you realize that Revelation 13 was fulfilled some 1940 years ago, it has a way of making this discussion look rather silly.

Oh wait, that's for another thread. Sorry.

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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 6/4/2008 8:27:12 AM   
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hey bob 97

so basically you guys are callin obama the devil? this is the anti Christ incarnate. why cant mccain be the anti-christ why does it have to be obama? becaues he's a nice guy? i mean i dont get it, all obama wants to do is unite black people, white people, asain people, mexican people, all people. now if he doesnt win u can kiss that dream goodby


Where is it written that all "peoples" must be united? That happened once...Tower of Babel, I believe it was. How did that turn out?

Okay...a tad off subject. Anyway, we're told to strive for unity within the "Church"...not the "world". There will NEVER be unity within the world. Never, ever, period.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 6/4/2008 9:03:23 AM   
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How does Obama fit the description of “ten horns and seven heads” and “ten diadems” and “blasphemous names”?


to me, just me now.

look again at him, he is moslem, european, african, kenyan, christian, atheist, africanamerican, asian

he appeals to many. Has many horns. I mean if your looking for a guy with the actual horns showing, I don't think you will find him.



What do horns signify in biblical prophecy? Appeal?

Also, Obama is an atheist Christian? Or are you saying he has been all these things before? (I don't think he was ever a Muslim in practice; his father was, but I think his father even stopped practicing Islam. Or am I wrong?)

Honestly, this statement really makes little sense to me. I am trying to understand what you are saying, what you are basing such a premise on (that Obama is the "beast out of the sea").

And the beast out of the earth makes all people worship the first beast. I presume that you take Rev. 13:18, the number of his name, to refer to the second beast, not the first.
I don't suppose you know who the second beast is? Who will make it mandatory (throughout the world) to worship Obama (the first beast)?

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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 6/4/2008 9:17:05 AM   
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Who will make it mandatory (throughout the world) to worship Obama (the first beast)?


Why, the Hilldabeast, of course!

(Sorry...couldn't resist!)
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 6/5/2008 12:56:40 AM   
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I don't suppose you know who the second beast is? Who will make it mandatory (throughout the world) to worship Obama (the first beast)?


No I don't, I just believe that Bo is the first one. Sorry have'nt figured out the whole Bible yet. Is it Hillary? Would'nt that be a trip?


Believe me as a Black person I want to feel pride, jump with joy.

I never thought I would see it in my life time. Never even dreamed it.

That's in the natural..

It's the spirit behind him that got me looking.

Are you paying attention?

Take off your "worldly glasses"

WE been tense since he started running and it's getting worse.


He is a "mixed" kingdom. How many "mixes" are there with him?

If John Mccain wins it's what?- a Luthern englishman?

With Bo it's the Romans, europeans, africans, moslems, Christians, atheists, americans, etc.

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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 6/5/2008 12:18:29 PM   
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With Bo it's the Romans, europeans, africans, moslems, Christians, atheists, americans, etc.


But he cannot be all those things at once, it's not possible. One cannot be a Muslim, a Christian and an Atheist simultaneously. So, while he may have been each of those at one time, he cannot be all three of them any longer.
Also, if we're basing his "mixes" on his descent, well, many people here in America probably have some mixed blood in them. We're a nation of immigrants, after all. I doubt if God would have wasted time in Scripture saying that the Beast would have an ancestry from multiple nations, since He knew that would become more and more common as time went on.

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