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RE: High Tech Witchcraft? - 1/29/2008 12:43:34 PM
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Here is a good review from a parent's perspective. Personally, I would let him play, but supervise him.
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RE: High Tech Witchcraft? - 1/29/2008 1:52:48 PM
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I would definitely do a 10 man raid in Blackfathom Deep with Jesus.
You would do a 10-man BFD raid? LOL I solod that place with my level 28 orc hunter! Now a 10-man UBRS raid or a 10-man Kara raid, ok.
I just knew BFD was a noob instance, ugh. lol you know what I meant.
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RE: High Tech Witchcraft? - 1/29/2008 6:42:45 PM
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OK guys, take the WoW speak to the WoW thread in Humor and Games. We may be leaving the OP and too many folks have no idea what a 10 man Kara raid is (no I am not keyed, so I really don't either).
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RE: High Tech Witchcraft? - 1/29/2008 8:39:45 PM
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We're debating whether or not to keep paying for the subscription!! Uh, well, if you don't keep paying for the subscription your child will not be playing the game as it is only an on line game as far as I know.
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RE: High Tech Witchcraft? - 1/30/2008 12:45:54 AM
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Hungry Hungry Hippos is not "spring-loaded plastic gluttony"
Monopoly is not "die-cast token greed"
Clue is not murder, Risk is not warfare and Chess is not regicide.
Don't Break the Ice doesn't cause hypothermia. Candy Land doesn't rot your teeth. Guess Who? isn't a police line-up. Mouse Trap won't actually rid your house of rodents.
Games are fiction, they aren't real. Any confusion between fantasy and reality isn't inherent to MMORPGs, or even to video games. Most people who play these games are fully aware what they're doing isn't real, and never will be. I haven't played WoW, but as far as I'm aware, the game takes itself lightly, such as item descriptions "breaking the fourth wall" and making cultural references outside of WoW.
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RE: High Tech Witchcraft? - 1/30/2008 1:07:30 AM
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Speaking of Guess Who?
But, I totally agree with you figment. Those who confuse reality and pretend have deeper seeded issues than the video game itself. It is at those points that the video game is a coping mechanism of some sort, or a means of transference.
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RE: High Tech Witchcraft? - 1/30/2008 6:14:37 AM
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Speaking of Guess Who?
Interesting... being from a white suburban neighborhood as a kid, I never realized that about Guess Who.
There are a ton of references to the Real World in these RPG. The other day I was snubbed by Harris Pilton and her little dog. And in another area I found someone trying to repair a crashed plane and wondered why it had level one snakes all over it....took a moment and then I got the joke (groan).
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RE: High Tech Witchcraft? - 1/30/2008 8:02:08 AM
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Speaking of Guess Who?
Ouch, is that for real? (never played the game and did not grow up in a white neighborhood).
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RE: High Tech Witchcraft? - 1/30/2008 10:14:25 AM
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Risk is not warfare
Depends who you play with. In fact, we had to disallow Risk for my ds for awhile...
I agree, games are fantasy, and confusing fantasy and reality is not a reason to disallow it.
But every parent has to know their child and what works/doesn't for them.
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RE: High Tech Witchcraft? - 1/30/2008 10:52:42 AM
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I figured they just kept the Guess Who faces a similar color so that color was not used as an identifying feature and seen as a negative.
The newer versions do have "multicultural faces" though! You can see it on Amazon.
Bringing this back on topic... computer games do have the advantage of people playing "anonymously." You are not judged by the way you look- be it color, size, etc.
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RE: High Tech Witchcraft? - 1/30/2008 3:54:13 PM
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computer games do have the advantage of people playing "anonymously." You are not judged by the way you look- be it color, size, etc.
It is not unusual for a male to have a female character (more fun for them to watch) and for a female to have a male character (for laughs). I have a short squat dwarf palidan. He wacks the bad monsters over the head with his ax and wears chain mail right now.
Kids, and sometimes adults, get carried away. Any activity that draws out the bad side of someone's character needs a second look. Watch the fruit of a participant.
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RE: High Tech Witchcraft? - 1/30/2008 4:44:28 PM
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Hungry Hungry Hippos is not "spring-loaded plastic gluttony"
Monopoly is not "die-cast token greed"
Clue is not murder, Risk is not warfare and Chess is not regicide.
LOL
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RE: High Tech Witchcraft? - 1/30/2008 7:36:40 PM
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Chess is not regicide
It's *not*??!!
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RE: High Tech Witchcraft? - 1/31/2008 5:18:03 AM
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I think really we need to define terms. If we are talking about mmorpg's like World of Warcraft, Runescape, Guild Wars, Ultima Online... then really it is nothing more than reading a Tolkien or CS Lewis book. If however you are talking about an ACTUAL rpg such as Dungeons and Dragons, Vampiro, Overlord or some of the others, there can be a danger to them. Just like there can be (not necessarily) a danger in your kids pretending to be Harry Potter and finding out that there are spells that actually work (sounds cheesy, but I know several people that claimed this happened to them). So while I would recommend caution in group RPG's, not all are dangerous. For example, my youth group used to play "Mafia" all the time, Holy Lands is out there for those into more "intense" RPG experiences, Spirit War is one that looks interesting but I haven't gotten into.
Even with the action RPG's, there are a couple sweet-looking titles coming out in the near future. For instance, Rebel Planet Creations is coming out with "The Rebel Planet: Orion's Quest" sometime this year (supposedly), "Heaven, the Game" looks like it should be an interesting title, there's even a rumour coming out that there are plans in the works for an RPG based on the "Archangels" comix by Eternal Studios. If somebody wants links to check out these titles, feel free to send me a PM.
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RE: High Tech Witchcraft? - 1/31/2008 8:43:46 AM
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Thanks all. I appreciated your comments.
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RE: High Tech Witchcraft? - 1/31/2008 9:34:37 AM
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WOW is basically just a electronic online version of D&D. Just like D&D based games like Neverwinter Nights 1+2, Icewind Dale 1+2, Baulders Gate 1+2 ect. If there is something inherently evil about playing the P&P games then by their very nature, the electronic games are also evil. As someone who has played both P&P games (D&D) and electronic RPG's (Oblivion, Neverwinter Nights 2, WOW), I can attest that the basic structure of each are very similar. The only difference is that for electronic RPG's the actual role playing is optional. With P&P's it is mandatory. And again, if Role Playing like this is wrong, then every child who wished he was Peter from the Chronicles of Narnia, or Aragon from LotR was wrong.
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RE: High Tech Witchcraft? - 1/31/2008 5:44:25 PM
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I think it's interesting to note that role playing didn't start with RPGs. Long before dice rolls and other game elements were added, people were role playing, and not just in plays. If I'm not mistaken, both Tolkien and Lewis (since they've already been mentioned in this thread) were involved in historical role playing. I can't remember the historical eras they were fond of reenacting, and my searches on Google aren't proving very fruitful because of all the results to modern RPGs that get in the way. In any case, there are a large number of groups that engage in role playing that have no game element. Civil War buffs who dress up in period accurate clothes, and set up camp eating hard-tack and salt-pork cooked in historically accurate cookware and then act out famous battles are role players. The guy who dresses up as a blacksmith or cobbler or Benjamin Franklin at Williamsburg and answers questions of tourists while "in character" is role playing.
If we're going to claim that people playing WoW are promoting witchcraft, we might as well claim that people dressing up as confederate soldiers and reenacting the battle of Gettysburg are promoting war or slavery or something.
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RE: High Tech Witchcraft? - 1/31/2008 9:46:37 PM
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I can see that a parent might be concerned about the moral ambiguity of the WoW world. You can choose to play the "monsters" as your regular PC, there's a lot of "skank" outfits, while there is a profanity filter it won't really edit out the suggestive dancing, ect.
I think most adults can just filter that out, it might be harder for young teens.
There is a MMORPG based on Tolkien's Lord of the Rings, called Lord of teh Rings Online (go figure) where you're constantly fighting the bad guys. You can do "monster" play, but it's a sideline, it can't truly be the main focus of your play. When there's Player vs. Player action, it's the good guys vs. the bad guys, very clearly. There's no revealing outfits (even if people were to strip their PCs of clothing objects, they're still pretty fully clothed), no suggestive dancing, ect. So if you're not opposed to online games in principle, but are concerned with some of the above mentioned aspects of WoW, that might be a better fit.
It has a pretty good profanity filter. I'm not sure if it has the same parental controls for time that WoW does.
I like both games, but I can see why some folks might be concerned about the theme of WoW. LOTRO is high fantasy, but it's by a more accepted author, and as I said, there's not any sex in it and it's far less good and evil ambiguous if that makes sense.
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RE: High Tech Witchcraft? - 2/1/2008 1:01:37 PM
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FigmentPez, love your MI.
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RE: High Tech Witchcraft? - 2/2/2008 12:32:47 AM
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There is a big difference between video game RPGs, video game MMORPGs (like World of Warcraft) and traditional RPGs.
In a standard video game RPG (like Final Fantasy) you don't actually act out a character any more than you pretend you are Mario when you play Super Mario Bros. It is kind of like an interactive movie. The point of these games is to enjoy the story and the exploration of a fantasy world, not to live out a fantasy life. I think they are only called RPGs because they have the RPG element of numbers representing the strength and health of players and enemies and of characters becoming stronger as they accomplish more tasks.
MMORPGs (which I have not played) seem to be a combination of traditional RPGs and video game RPGs. There is the fun of exploring a fantasy world and enjoying the story, but some players also choose to "role play" their characters and talk to other characters as if they are actually in the world of the game. But from the addictions to these games I've witnessed in my college dorm and heard about, these games sound dangerous because they can consume a life by themselves. A total WoW addict doesn't get into the occult because they don't get away from the computer enough to even meet occultic people.
In traditional RPGs (Dungeons and Dragons) you pretend to be a different person. The whole point of the game is to act out how your character would live out their life. Now I had friends in junior high who were into D and D and I played with them a couple of times. For them, it was just hanging out and pretending to go on an adventure. There was very little immersion in the story because we'd also be joking around.
But I do know there are a percentage of D and D players who truly do get immersed in the game and for them it could be dangerous. These would be people that have serious real-life issues that could make them want to escape to a different world. But my impression is that these people are a minority among RPG players.
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RE: High Tech Witchcraft? - 2/2/2008 8:42:51 AM
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A total WoW addict doesn't get into the occult because they don't get away from the computer enough to even meet occultic people.
LOL, that is an accurate insight! Of course, we could say that about sports addicts, who never leave the television to actually play the game.
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RE: High Tech Witchcraft? - 2/3/2008 4:13:48 PM
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I wonder, if RPG's are wrong, is theater wrong? When someone dresses up and pretends to be someone they are not? How about Renaissance Fairs, where some people dress up and "wield swords"? Are those wrong to?
Well sadly, some Christians say yes. So it is no wonder they, with out common sense, attack electronic and P&P forms of that too.
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