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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 1/8/2008 11:57:03 AM
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The utter ignorance, bigotry and hate displayed on this forum is anything BUT Christian.
If Obummer gets the nomination, it will rise to new heights (or lows). If Hill-Bill gets the nod, the bigotry won't be quite as bad, at least.
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 1/8/2008 12:31:01 PM
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This presidential election is going to be the nastiest, dirtiest spectacle in US history.
I don't think it can really get all that worse than the Adams/ Jefferson race.
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 1/8/2008 12:35:42 PM
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If Obummer gets the nomination, it will rise to new heights (or lows). If Hill-Bill gets the nod, the bigotry won't be quite as bad, at least.
Although Hil-Bil may be fueling some of the feelings against Barack:
Clinton’s Civil Rights Lesson
DOVER, N.H. — As they barnstorm through New Hampshire, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton and her husband are often introduced by supporters who once backed another candidate but converted to her cause.
Today, in Dover, Francine Torge, a former John Edwards supporter, said this while introducing Mrs. Clinton: “Some people compare one of the other candidates to John F. Kennedy. But he was assassinated. And Lyndon Baines Johnson was the one who actually” passed the civil rights legislation.
The comment, an apparent reference to Senator Barack Obama, is particularly striking given documented fears among blacks that Mr. Obama will be assassinated if elected.
Phil Singer, a Clinton spokesman said: “We were not aware that this person was going to make those comments and disapprove of them completely. They were totally inappropriate.”
Mrs. Clinton’s expression did not change noticeably when Ms. Torge made the comment.
Only a few hours later, she brought up the civil rights legislation herself in remarks to a Fox News correspondent.
Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama have been in a running feud arising from her suggestion at Saturday’s debate that he was raising “false hope.”
Mr. Obama responded that Mr. Kennedy did not decide going to the moon was a false hope and that Martin Luther King, Jr. did not see ending segregation as such.
“Dr. King’s dream began to be realized when President Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act,” Mrs. Clinton said when asked about Mr. Obama’s rejoinder by Fox’s Major Garrett after her speech in Dover. “It took a president to get it done.”
The Obama campaign declined to comment on either of those remarks.
No doubt about it, the Clintons can be nasties.
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 1/8/2008 5:58:06 PM
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Consider this about Obama! This man is scarey!
This is Barak Hussein Obama's Church web site:
www.tucc.org/about.htm
Here is an interesting article that tells a lot about Barak Hussein Obama. It is worth the time it takes to read it.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/01/obamas_alinsky_jujitsu.html
All that "blackness" a problem for you?
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 1/9/2008 11:17:57 AM
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Consider this about Obama! This man is scarey!
This is Barak Hussein Obama's Church web site:
www.tucc.org/about.htm
You need to understand something of the ministry of Trinity UCC, and the neighborhood its in, to interpret and where its coming from to understand its approach.
Trinity's 'environment' is middle and upper class, predominantly (although not exclusively) black people. Some years ago, Trinity found that Islam, and secularism were strong competitors for the people that they were trying to reach with the gospel, and that Islamic and secularist missionaries were both having success telling black young-people that Christianity is a white-man's religion, and is not authentic for black people, but is instead a tool of white opression. The islamic missionaries message is that Christianityis really an enemy of black people and should be left behind for islam.
They are trying to impart that Christinity is not an enemy of black people, but belongs to them as much as to the white Christian segregationists who used it as a tool to opress them for centuries. They want black people to understand that their culture and history are not a side-line in the Christian story, but are part of the central story.
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 1/9/2008 12:59:52 PM
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The islamic missionaries message is that Christianityis really an enemy of black people and should be left behind for islam.
Haven't heard that before, but I wouldn't be surprised.
I am a little surprised that people are solely concerned about the "muslimness" of Obama's lineage (real or imagined) and not the athiesm of his mother. If, in fact, his mother was an athiest, I would be more concerned with that because men tend to be more influenced by their mothers than their fathers. Ask any married woman about her mother-in-law and you'll find it true. Yes, Islam is incompatible with Christianity and there are sects of Muslims who are hostile toward Christians, but ALL athiests are venomously anti-Christian. I believe it's possible for Muslims and Christians to coexist peacefully because they at least both believe in a deity and have a code of moral conduct. Athiests have no moral center. Then again, athiesm itself can be logically refuted as a factual position, so...
Whatever. Just vote Republican and you'll be ok. Obama ain't no JFK.
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 1/10/2008 8:59:57 AM
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All that "blackness" a problem for you?
No! Color is not the problem it is the connection to Black Nationalism and Farakhan and the Black muslim connection that is the scarey part. Don't be deceived. These muslims who are aggressive and radical is something to consider in your decision for whom to vote.
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 1/10/2008 11:35:36 AM
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All that "blackness" a problem for you?
No! Color is not the problem it is the connection to Black Nationalism and Farakhan and the Black muslim connection that is the scarey part. Don't be deceived. These muslims who are aggressive and radical is something to consider in your decision for whom to vote.
Black Muslims aren't true Muslims, BTW. Definitely racists. But they do appeal to those feeling disenfranchised and wanting to live free of the criminal elements in some urban areas. Any church doing urban outreach has to speak to these issues. White church ministries work with existing groups in any work they do as well.
Here is urbanlegendsandfolklore's take on the latest Obummer smear campaign. LINK
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 1/10/2008 6:49:55 PM
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Here is urbanlegendsandfolklore's take on the latest Obummer smear campaign. LINK
Very good link cow451.
For anyone concerned about Barak's church's 'africentrism', please take a quick look - it helps explain where they are coming from.
A quote from that site:
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Born of more radical times, Trinity United's emphasis on such doctrines as "Africentrism" and a "Black Value System" may strike some as a call to racial separatism, but parishioners don't see it that way. "Commitment to God, black community, commitment to the black family, the black work ethic, self-discipline and self-respect. Those are values that the conservative movement in particular has suggested are necessary for black advancement," says TUCC's most famous member, Barack Obama. "So I would be puzzled that they would object or quibble with the bulk of a document that basically espouses profoundly conservative values of self-reliance and self-help." (Chicago Tribune, Feb. 6, 2007)
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 1/22/2008 3:11:06 AM
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Gosh, how many people are there who actually believe a totally false urban legend? People should be embarrassed.
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 1/22/2008 9:48:58 AM
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Gosh, how many people are there who actually believe a totally false urban legend? People should be embarrassed.
Yes, because they believe any and everything that is e-mailed.
People are gulliable these days, even Christians.
With that said, it's sad when those who claim the name of Christ spread lies about a person. And for what? because of the fact that he's the only black person running? Or because he's not Alan Keyes?
Yesterday, we celebrated Martin Luther King's B-day and if it not were for Martin, Obama or any other politician of color would not run and hold public office. Now if it was someone like Mitt Romney, whose religion is a cult everyone here who does not agree with his politics would be jumped on.
Romney is not perfect neither.
We can agree to disagree about someone, but spreading lies because of an e-mails and other web site is not the way to go.
It is not a good witness to your faith.
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 1/23/2008 3:01:20 AM
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Gosh, how many people are there who actually believe a totally false urban legend? People should be embarrassed.
Yes, because they believe any and everything that is e-mailed.
People are gulliable these days, even Christians.
With that said, it's sad when those who claim the name of Christ spread lies about a person. And for what? because of the fact that he's the only black person running? Or because he's not Alan Keyes?
Yesterday, we celebrated Martin Luther King's B-day and if it not were for Martin, Obama or any other politician of color would not run and hold public office. Now if it was someone like Mitt Romney, whose religion is a cult everyone here who does not agree with his politics would be jumped on.
Romney is not perfect neither.
We can agree to disagree about someone, but spreading lies because of an e-mails and other web site is not the way to go.
It is not a good witness to your faith.
Oh, but it's OK because he's a Democrat. No one dare criticize Mitt for being in a cult because he's a Republican and everyone knows that all good Christians vote Republican.
Sorry for the sarcasm, but I'm more than a little fed up. And lest anyone accuse me of being a liberal Democrat or something, let the record show that I'm not only a registered Republican, I actually hold a party elected office.
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 2/1/2008 10:30:09 AM
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I have paid attention only to the GOP side of the race, so I know quite little about Barack Obama. But I will say this.
I regret missing last night's Democratic Party debate. My reading of the transcript, on the discussion about Iraq, shows that Obama and even Hillary Clinton have somewhat of a clue as to what is occurring there. It is much more than the rah-rah-rah "we can win" patriotic-sounding feel-good appeals that John McCain and Mitt Romney have engaged in (comments which are based more on their knowledge that appealing to an attainable victory will be more resounding to the public than sober warnings that this war has been a mismanaged disaster).
If we were to compare comments last night to comments made by the GOP runners excluding Ron Paul, it's clear that the GOP candidates really don't grasp the situation. McCain in particularly bothers me as he has stated he would keep US troops in Iraq for 100 years (which is looking likelier by the day, what with permanent bases and one of the world's largest air traffic centers in operation ... any one of you ever heard of Balad?).
Using Japan and South Korea to justify an indefinite US military presence in Iraq? It would be laughable, but because so many of us Americans are so grossly ignorant about history, these kind of ridiculous statements work.
Ron Paul is the only one who had the courage to say that the Iraq war was a mistake. As I wrote, I know very little about Obama, but at least, he wasn't for the war, unlike Clinton.
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 2/1/2008 7:32:44 PM
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My reading of the transcript, on the discussion about Iraq, shows that Obama and even Hillary Clinton have somewhat of a clue as to what is occurring there.
Yep, he definitely gets it ...quote:
"We shouldn't have invaded in the first place. It was part of the reason that I think it was such a profound strategic error for us to go into this war in the first place.
And that's one of the reasons why I think I will be -- just to finish up this point, I think I will be the Democrat who will be most effective in going up against a John McCain, or any other Republican -- because they all want basically a continuation of George Bush's policies -- because I will offer a clear contrast as somebody who never supported this war, thought it was a bad idea. I don't want to just end the war, but I want to end the mindset that got us into war in the first place.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/31/dem.debate.transcript/index.html
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 2/1/2008 7:57:50 PM
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ORIGINAL: wing2000but I want to end the mindset that got us into war in the first place.
This actually gives me some hope. I wish Obama could go further in identifying exactly what that mindset is--jingoism, which is a counterfeit of patriotism--but obviously that's politically impossible. Ask Mike Gravel!
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 2/2/2008 12:48:24 PM
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Obama could ask Oprah to be Vice President.... :)
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 2/4/2008 11:17:03 PM
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Well do you have to like him just because he is black? I mean I would vote for Colin Powell, but I do not trust BO, his churches website, and his wife seems very milatant against white people. If I do not know about him, and I do not trust him, I would say, it would not be wisdom to vote for him. That may or may not change, but just because he is black it does not make one a biggot for not liking him. PC will get you no where. PC makes people like sheep that Baa when someone orders them too. PC is not thinking for yourself.
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ORIGINAL: Faun_Tumnus
The utter ignorance, bigotry and hate displayed on this forum is anything BUT Christian.
If Obummer gets the nomination, it will rise to new heights (or lows). If Hill-Bill gets the nod, the bigotry won't be quite as bad, at least.
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 2/5/2008 10:18:50 AM
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Well do you have to like him just because he is black? I mean I would vote for Colin Powell, but I do not trust BO, his churches website, and his wife seems very milatant against white people. If I do not know about him, and I do not trust him, I would say, it would not be wisdom to vote for him. That may or may not change, but just because he is black it does not make one a biggot for not liking him. PC will get you no where. PC makes people like sheep that Baa when someone orders them too. PC is not thinking for yourself.
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ORIGINAL: Faun_Tumnus
The utter ignorance, bigotry and hate displayed on this forum is anything BUT Christian.
If Obummer gets the nomination, it will rise to new heights (or lows). If Hill-Bill gets the nod, the bigotry won't be quite as bad, at least.
Case in point.
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 2/5/2008 11:01:37 AM
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Cow, you are case in point. Go to India where someone can worship you besides own self 
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Well do you have to like him just because he is black? I mean I would vote for Colin Powell, but I do not trust BO, his churches website, and his wife seems very milatant against white people. If I do not know about him, and I do not trust him, I would say, it would not be wisdom to vote for him. That may or may not change, but just because he is black it does not make one a biggot for not liking him. PC will get you no where. PC makes people like sheep that Baa when someone orders them too. PC is not thinking for yourself.
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ORIGINAL: Faun_Tumnus
The utter ignorance, bigotry and hate displayed on this forum is anything BUT Christian.
If Obummer gets the nomination, it will rise to new heights (or lows). If Hill-Bill gets the nod, the bigotry won't be quite as bad, at least.
Case in point.
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