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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 12/9/2007 6:36:47 PM
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ladybug2008
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Actually, no, I would not vote for him. He has muslims in the family, and I've never seen anywhere when a family is muslim that they allow a family member be anything but a muslim. I'm not sure that he is being truthful when he says he is not a muslim, and I don't want to take a chance on anything.
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 12/9/2007 9:03:50 PM
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I so hope you're kidding. I have provided you with ample refutation of the claim of this topic and you still choose to ignore it and base your opinion on an oft proved lie.
My prayer is that people like yourself who willfully choose to wallow in ignorance will refrain from participating in the electoral process. Sadly, such is generally not the case as evidenced by George Bush being elected not once but twice.
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 12/9/2007 9:25:09 PM
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Actually, no, I would not vote for him. He has muslims in the family, and I've never seen anywhere when a family is muslim that they allow a family member be anything but a muslim. I'm not sure that he is being truthful when he says he is not a muslim, and I don't want to take a chance on anything.
I'm not sure which I'm feeling more, surprise or sadness. I'm not supporting Obama, but I do support Christianity. I thank God that my brothers and sisters (well most of them I guess) accept me, all of my warts and my past, as child of the King. Support him or not for whatever reasons are logical and feasible to each individual. What we do here on earth is really of little consequence is it if we haven't accepted Christ and His word that once we confess our sins, we are new creatures.
Not quite sure how a Muslim stops someone from being a Christian.
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 12/10/2007 6:47:35 AM
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Word study:
My understanding is that the word Muslim means submission to the will of God.
However, although Muslim belief is important, it is against the teachings of Jesus Christ regarding Himself in that He says that The Father has set His seal upon Him. Muslim belief sets that seal upon Muhummad. Muslim belief calls Christs testimony about himself the act of Shirk which is the unforgivable sin because of what Jesus said about Himself and relationship with His Father in Heaven. This is exactly what the Jewish Pharisees ssid about Him too. Furthermore, nowhere in the bible is the word trinity found, but it is found in the Qu'ran. This puts the bible, of course as an precedant, historically, to the Qu'ran which is already a known fact. Therefore, if the original Scripture was so wrong, why the blatant antithetical statements that we hear in the Qu'ran regarding the Tesimony of Jesus Christ rather than another recordation of prophetic testimony? The fact that there is little or no prophecy in the book called the Qu'ran bespeaks much when compared to the Holy Prophets of the Old Testament. The test for someone claiming to get power for prophecy from the testimony of Moses is that if the prophet even works signs and wonders and leads you to worship another god which The Lord your God has commanded you not to worship, you are to treat them as a false prophet.
The Scripture says that not eveyone that comes to Him saying Lord, Lord will enter the Kingdom of Heaven but only He who does the will of My Father in Heaven. Do everything as unto The Lord and whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might by faith in God. He has hidden eternity in the hearts of people.
In Paul, it also says that if anyone teaches you another Gospel other than the one that you heard even by men or angels let them be accursed.
It is held that Muhummad received these teachings from the angel Gabriel.
But the question for empire leadership rests on the sovereign will of God in Heaven. He is the one that knows a persons heart and what He has put into it. He is the One that sets the times and the seasons on earth!
< Message edited by prophetica -- 12/10/2007 7:15:49 AM >
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 12/10/2007 9:41:50 AM
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ORIGINAL: prophetica
Word study:
My understanding is that the word Muslim means submission to the will of God.
However, although Muslim belief is important, it is against the teachings of Jesus Christ regarding Himself in that He says that The Father has set His seal upon Him. Muslim belief sets that seal upon Muhummad. Muslim belief calls Christs testimony about himself the act of Shirk which is the unforgivable sin because of what Jesus said about Himself and relationship with His Father in Heaven. This is exactly what the Jewish Pharisees ssid about Him too. Furthermore, nowhere in the bible is the word trinity found, but it is found in the Qu'ran. This puts the bible, of course as an precedant, historically, to the Qu'ran which is already a known fact. Therefore, if the original Scripture was so wrong, why the blatant antithetical statements that we hear in the Qu'ran regarding the Tesimony of Jesus Christ rather than another recordation of prophetic testimony? The fact that there is little or no prophecy in the book called the Qu'ran bespeaks much when compared to the Holy Prophets of the Old Testament. The test for someone claiming to get power for prophecy from the testimony of Moses is that if the prophet even works signs and wonders and leads you to worship another god which The Lord your God has commanded you not to worship, you are to treat them as a false prophet.
The Scripture says that not eveyone that comes to Him saying Lord, Lord will enter the Kingdom of Heaven but only He who does the will of My Father in Heaven. Do everything as unto The Lord and whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might by faith in God. He has hidden eternity in the hearts of people.
In Paul, it also says that if anyone teaches you another Gospel other than the one that you heard even by men or angels let them be accursed.
It is held that Muhummad received these teachings from the angel Gabriel.
But the question for empire leadership rests on the sovereign will of God in Heaven. He is the one that knows a persons heart and what He has put into it. He is the One that sets the times and the seasons on earth!
Very nice. And relevance to the OP?
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 12/10/2007 3:02:29 PM
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oh sorry!
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 12/10/2007 4:20:13 PM
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I so hope you're kidding. I have provided you with ample refutation of the claim of this topic and you still choose to ignore it and base your opinion on an oft proved lie.
My prayer is that people like yourself who willfully choose to wallow in ignorance will refrain from participating in the electoral process. Sadly, such is generally not the case as evidenced by George Bush being elected not once but twice.
Nice put down.
No one had ever heard of Obama two years ago, and now he is running for president?
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 12/10/2007 9:25:21 PM
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Closie
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ORIGINAL: born2bme
I so hope you're kidding. I have provided you with ample refutation of the claim of this topic and you still choose to ignore it and base your opinion on an oft proved lie.
My prayer is that people like yourself who willfully choose to wallow in ignorance will refrain from participating in the electoral process. Sadly, such is generally not the case as evidenced by George Bush being elected not once but twice.
Nice put down.
No one had ever heard of Obama two years ago, and now he is running for president?
You know that the constitution says to run for president, there are only two qualifications: over the age of 35 and born in the USA. So he has a right to run. Be that as it may, he doesn't have enough experience so I'm not going to vote for him. I will not however deny the authority of the Holy Spirit in my life and withhold my vote on something as inane as the rumored faith of his family. To do such suggests that the Holy Spirit is weak and ineffective in changing lives.
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 12/11/2007 3:59:38 PM
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ladybug2008
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I'm finished with this thread, but I highly suggest you read the Koran...and learn something about the muslims.
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 12/23/2007 3:21:26 PM
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if he can't say the pledge and sing the song then he's running for the wrong office...i want my president to say the pledge and mean it. i want an American president with American values and american culture. i don't want a person who thinks it's offensive to say the pledge or can't be a true American in public.
this is an American election for an American president--not a melting pot leader. i don't want to melt. i want to be American. i'm not mexican, jewish, or european...i'm American and i should be able to have an American president who stands for America and supporting the constitution of America.
we came here to be Americans and have our own way of doing things...if they don't like America or Americans and our way of life then tell them to go back home---we don't need their input....Obama is obivously not in full support of an American way of life---he's too ethically sensitive for me. let's not upset the people who don't like America---i say GO BACK HOME!!
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 12/23/2007 8:03:18 PM
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if he can't say the pledge and sing the song then he's running for the wrong office...i want my president to say the pledge and mean it. i want an American president with American values and american culture. i don't want a person who thinks it's offensive to say the pledge or can't be a true American in public.
this is an American election for an American president--not a melting pot leader. i don't want to melt. i want to be American. i'm not mexican, jewish, or european...i'm American and i should be able to have an American president who stands for America and supporting the constitution of America.
we came here to be Americans and have our own way of doing things...if they don't like America or Americans and our way of life then tell them to go back home---we don't need their input....Obama is obivously not in full support of an American way of life---he's too ethically sensitive for me. let's not upset the people who don't like America---i say GO BACK HOME!!
And what does any of that have to do with Barack Obama?
And who is "they"?
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 12/23/2007 11:03:31 PM
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Can anyone post a reliable source that states without a shadow of a doubt that Barack Obama is a Muslim? No blogs, please.
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 12/23/2007 11:10:42 PM
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Can anyone post a reliable source that states without a shadow of a doubt that Barack Obama is a Muslim? No blogs, please.
LOL.
This has been disproved so many times.
PolitiFact LINK
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 12/23/2007 11:34:13 PM
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Can anyone post a reliable source that states without a shadow of a doubt that Barack Obama is a Muslim? No blogs, please.
LOL.
This has been disproved so many times.
PolitiFact LINK
I know, I'm just wondering if others know and where they are getting this information.
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 12/27/2007 4:00:22 PM
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ctipton...
obuma is the "he" and if you'll read the post then you'll see who the "they" are. it's people who support people like him
Can't be letting facts get in the way of a good myth.
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 1/3/2008 10:24:05 AM
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Who is Barack Obama? He is the candidate who didn't put his hand on his heart when saluting our flag. Petty? not in my opinion. Black doesn't bother me...... muslim does.
I agree, it amazes me that anyone supports this man. Muslims believe that it is perfectly acceptable to lie in order to further the cause of islam. That he say's he is not a muslim is good but not totally believable. Maybe he is and maybe he isn't, I am not willing to take the chance on it.
Then there is the problem that he is a first term senator who is only a senator because the other guy self destructed in a scandal. I am really distressed that a presidential election is such a "beauty contest"...
These days my vote come's down to pretty much one thing... the candidate who I think will nominate the best, IMO, judges. I depend on the balance of powers to take care of everything else.
Obama scares me and that people support him scares me more.
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 1/3/2008 5:55:16 PM
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Muslims believe that it is perfectly acceptable to lie in order to further the cause of islam.
It might be relevant statement if Obama was Muslim, but he is not.
I know his name sounds Muslim and I know that he has dark skin, but are those really reasons to not for for someone. I will not vote for him but it has nothing to do with those things.
Sadly, those are the things that make him unelectable.
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 1/4/2008 9:37:28 AM
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Muslims believe that it is perfectly acceptable to lie in order to further the cause of islam.
It might be relevant statement if Obama was Muslim, but he is not.
I know his name sounds Muslim and I know that he has dark skin, but are those really reasons to not for for someone. I will not vote for him but it has nothing to do with those things.
Sadly, those are the things that make him unelectable.
None are so deaf as those who will not hear.
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 1/4/2008 5:34:28 PM
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I know his name sounds Muslim and I know that he has dark skin, but are those really reasons to not for for someone. I will not vote for him but it has nothing to do with those things.
Sadly, those are the things that make him unelectable.
....after the strong support by new voters (young people) and independents in Iowa, I'm not so sure Obama is "unelectable" -- though Hillary will do her best to convince the voters that is the case.
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 1/6/2008 5:45:50 PM
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I agree, it amazes me that anyone supports this man. Muslims believe that it is perfectly acceptable to lie in order to further the cause of islam.
The way the Christian church is looking, I'd wonder if we think the same way.
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 1/6/2008 6:36:34 PM
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His name says it all......
http://www.floridabruce.com/barack_hussein_obama.htm
Ironically, the website quotes the Bible "Let no man deceive you..." ...maybe the website author should take that to heart. To judge a man by his name...?
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 1/6/2008 7:16:12 PM
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That website author is not judging him solely on his name. Did you read the whole article? He talks about cocaine use being typical black behavior and that black people are - according to Abraham Lincoln - genetically inferior and should not intermingle with whites, let alone be president.
Is Barack mentioned in Hebrews 11? The Christian Hall of Fame...
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 1/7/2008 10:11:50 AM
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That website author is not judging him solely on his name. Did you read the whole article? He talks about cocaine use being typical black behavior and that black people are - according to Abraham Lincoln - genetically inferior and should not intermingle with whites, let alone be president.
Is Barack mentioned in Hebrews 11? The Christian Hall of Fame...
This presidential election is going to be the nastiest, dirtiest spectacle in US history.
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 1/7/2008 9:40:47 PM
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The utter ignorance, bigotry and hate displayed on this forum is anything BUT Christian.
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