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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 2/28/2008 7:57:46 PM
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RichLP
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Rich, It's a good idea not to lecture someone about their reading comprehension and in the same message invent quotes about them. I never used the word 'validate,' yet somehow it ended up in quotes about me. I also never use the word 'passion' regarding you, but somehow that ended up in quotes too.
To validate means to substantiate. And you're yet to substantiate that Barack Obama "has a passion" for us to lose in Iraq.
I never invented quotes about you. In post 295, you said "I’m not sure who is more anxious for us to lose the war, B. Hussein Obama or you." This means you believe both Obama and I strenuously want America to lose in Iraq. Hence the use of the word "passion." Unless you don't think that wanting something with "passion" and hoping for something "anxiously" aren't similar sentiments - which would mean that your vocabulary is wanting.
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You seem to be confusing opinion and facts, demanding from me that I provide proof of my opinions.
Actually, I just think that if one is going to put forth an opinion without facts, one's statements won't hold much weight. You made accusations about Obama without proof and misquoted and misinterpreted something I said in the Iraq war thread to state that I am "anxious" (and in this case, wishing for) for an American defeat in Iraq.
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The logic regarding my conclusion that B. Hussein Obama wants to lose if simple.
A) Withdrawing now would widely be considered a defeat for the USA.
B) BHO has said that he wants to do just that at least as recently as September.
C) BHO wants to take action that would cause us to lose the war.
And WHO could consider a withdrawal a defeat? YOU?
You think Obama will just tell the boys to drop their guns and come home just like that? Surely you don't think that with over 130,000 troops, an orderly withdrawal would be gradual and take time even if it were "immediate." You're thinking that Obama wants the soldiers to simply leave overnight - which is both unfeasible and impossible (in terms of logistics AND politics).
As I've said - I will talk about the Iraq war with you on the Iraq war thread. I participate in that discussion fairly frequently. So if you wish to talk about "facts" we can always have a hearty conversation there - that is, if you will make statements which you can validate and substantiate (and without misinterpreting what I say).
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 2/28/2008 7:59:29 PM
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As it stands now, this Republican administration has yet to define victory...
John McCain is yet to define it as well, even though he keeps saying it's within grasp.
I am not a supporter of Obama (or of McCain) but I give Obama credit for having opposed this war and for even having the insight to predict it'd get messy.
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 2/28/2008 9:04:24 PM
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Just a word of advise to save everyone time.
If anyone refers to Obama as "B Hussein Obama" it says volumes about them and nothing about Obama.
If they are going to use such cheap rhetoric they aren't going to respond to rational discussion and probably aren't interested in it anyway, so don't waste your time.
It's usually better to just ignore them entirely.
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 2/29/2008 12:49:34 AM
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Actually, I just think that if one is going to put forth an opinion without facts
Rich, What unusual ethical disability allows one to demand facts while inventing quotes? Such practices in journalism, not exactly a morally upright profession, would normally find the inventor unemployed.
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 2/29/2008 1:45:38 AM
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Getting back to the topic-Who is Barack Obama?
Barack Obama is a politician who seems to have a great deal of talent giving speechs, saying alot while actually saying very little, and is very able inspiring confidence and hope and faith in ideas and programs that have been tried and failed.
Barack Obama is a young politican who has attracted the support and guidance of old time, well entrenched and powerful politicians (Ted Kennedy) and special interests on the left who only want change that will insure their continued hold on power and influence.
Barack Obama is a person of mixed race, ethnicity, and religion who's views and opinions seemingly can not be contested without triggering accusatons of racism or some form of prejudice.
Barack Obama is a politician who seems to have largely been guarded and silent about his own views on issues while has apparently having been influenced and surrounded by people with rather extreme views.
Barak Obama is a politician with a great deal of potential but surrounded by a great deal of mystery.
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 2/29/2008 7:11:17 AM
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Barack Obama is a person of mixed race, ethnicity, and religion who's views and opinions seemingly can not be contested without triggering accusatons of racism or some form of prejudice.
Mixed religion? Where do you get this? He's maintained he's a Christian. What other religion is he?
Where have you seen his "views and opinions" contested and someone was accused of being racist? I have yet to see someone called a racist for challenging his views and opinions, primarily because, there hasn't been much discussion about his views and opinions. Please enlighten me if you have something. Even when people try to make snide remarks about his name or background, I think the reaction, even here on CW, has been somewhat subdued. Now when you say, "some form of prejudice", that can mean anything. When I say I don't understand the popularity of Hannah Montana, some 12 yo girl can accuse me of being "prejudiced" against her. When someone says they don't like Obama for whatever reason, his "fans" are going to challenge you. If you can't give what they consider a legitimate reason, and some of them don't think him having a "weird name" is a legitimate reason, you're going to get accused of having "some form of prejudice."
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 2/29/2008 9:39:46 AM
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This was on CCN today, and I thought immediately of this thread 
Republicans decry use of 'Hussein' in Obama's name
Tara P
From the cited article:
"Hobbs said Thursday that the party will no longer use Obama's middle name in news releases.
"We're not going to be using the middle name now, because apparently, it's become a distraction," he said."
From The Wizard of Oz:
"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!"
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 2/29/2008 9:50:31 AM
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Just a word of advise to save everyone time.
If anyone refers to Obama as "B Hussein Obama" it says volumes about them and nothing about Obama.
If they are going to use such cheap rhetoric they aren't going to respond to rational discussion and probably aren't interested in it anyway, so don't waste your time.
It's usually better to just ignore them entirely.
HEAR HEAR!
This is exactly the same way it was when people used Nixon's full name over and over and over again. I too just ignored them - each and every night on the television set, for it was the media who were touting that snippet of "fact" on him.
But of course now that it is the media's darling who has a middle name that doesn't fit the standards of "normal" the outcry in the use of that name is made to cast aspersions on the user.
So yes folks. Get over it. His name IS Barak Hussein Obama!
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 2/29/2008 10:53:08 AM
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Do you think that at the end of the day, Obama's opponents care why someone doesn't support him? It could be his name, his church, his race, his political party, who supports him, his big ears or some unsubstantiated rumor they heard about him. Voters don't have to have a good reason to vote for or against him. Hillary (and others) have mentioned during the last debate that one of Obama's supporters couldn't name one thing he's done. So? In this country, the person who votes for Obama because "He's so cool" has the same voice as the one who doesn't vote for him because he has a "weird name." For them, it's that simple. And they don't need facts to complicate things.
So who is Barack Obama? He's the Hannah Montana/Miley Ray Cyrus, excuse me, M.Ray Cyrus of politics. Like her, he came from out of nowhere, no one can explain their popularity and yet they continue to be the hottest ticket of the season. Me? I'm not buying the $500 tickets. But neither am I so obsessed with trying to get my 7 yo granddaughter to dislike Hannah that I search the internet and the airwaves for tidbits of information that can be used to smear her. Or, just make up outright lies. Far as I know, both Hannah and Barack have been pretty clean. But it must frustrate people who can't see what the big deal is, since, at the end of the day, there's not much talent/substance in either of them. Yes, we should demand more from someone who could be president of the free world, Obama, or from someone who we're forced to shell out $500 for a ticket to see live, M. Ray Cyrus. But I think that may be what the bible meant when it said in 2Tim4:3, " For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;"
I think that time has come.
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 2/29/2008 11:05:21 AM
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Odd how people harp about what Barack's middle name is and yet they utterly ignore the meaning of those words. Not surprising considering we are a western nation - we're not taught in our schools that foreign names often have meanings behind them, and alas, "Barack" appears in the Old Testament!
I recently spoke to a US-born coworker whose parents came from a majority Muslim country. He speaks a tiny bit of Arabic and said he and his Arab friends have been laughing about how some are making a fuss over "Barack Hussein," as this means "blessing, the good."
*chuckles*
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 2/29/2008 11:39:30 AM
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Odd how people harp about what Barack's middle name is and yet they utterly ignore the meaning of those words. Not surprising considering we are a western nation - we're not taught in our schools that foreign names often have meanings behind them, and alas, "Barack" appears in the Old Testament!
I recently spoke to a US-born coworker whose parents came from a majority Muslim country. He speaks a tiny bit of Arabic and said he and his Arab friends have been laughing about how some are making a fuss over "Barack Hussein," as this means "blessing, the good."
*chuckles*
And McCain means "son of Cain", Cain being of course, the first murderer. But that doesn't matter if you like McCain as President.
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 2/29/2008 12:12:58 PM
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Odd how people harp about what Barack's middle name is and yet they utterly ignore the meaning of those words. Not surprising considering we are a western nation - we're not taught in our schools that foreign names often have meanings behind them, and alas, "Barack" appears in the Old Testament!
I recently spoke to a US-born coworker whose parents came from a majority Muslim country. He speaks a tiny bit of Arabic and said he and his Arab friends have been laughing about how some are making a fuss over "Barack Hussein," as this means "blessing, the good."
*chuckles*
And McCain means "son of Cain", Cain being of course, the first murderer. But that doesn't matter if you like McCain as President.
-Julius
And McNugget means "small semi-chicken batter-coated and fried". But does that mean it reflects on the courage and wholesomeness of anyone bearing that name?
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 2/29/2008 12:32:37 PM
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Actually, I just think that if one is going to put forth an opinion without facts
Rich, What unusual ethical disability allows one to demand facts while inventing quotes? Such practices in journalism, not exactly a morally upright profession, would normally find the inventor unemployed.
LOL. Again you ignore the other things I write and you again commit the error of claiming I "invented" a quote.
You said I am anxious for America to lose in Iraq - and you said the same about Obama. Yet you can't provide proof for either claim. And, now you say that I am unethical.
You've gone from unsubstantiated accusations to twisting what I wrote in the Iraq war thread to a personal attack - and the last maneuver was weak. But I guess that if you can't refute what I say and if you can't back up your posts, you'll resort to cheap shots.
PS: remember, having "passion" for something is very similar to wanting something "anxiously." 
Rich, I quoted you exactly and provided the link and precise message date and time. If you can provide the same for the quotes attributed to me then I'll stop using B. Hussein Obama's middle name. If you can't, all you have to do is stop inventing quotes and attributing them to me.
Below are the quotes you made up. The words passion and validate were in quotes in your original message and attributed to me.
"Ljmac, I think you need to work on your reading comprehension... At no point did I say I have a "passion" for America to lose.
Nice tactic though - you do NOT validate your ridiculous assertions and then claim you "validate" your accusations about me."
You'll find that I did not use the word passion when describing you. You'll also find that I did not use the word validate.
This is important because when someone is quoted it's supposed to be true.
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 2/29/2008 12:37:08 PM
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Odd how people harp about what Barack's middle name is and yet they utterly ignore the meaning of those words. Not surprising considering we are a western nation - we're not taught in our schools that foreign names often have meanings behind them, and alas, "Barack" appears in the Old Testament!
I recently spoke to a US-born coworker whose parents came from a majority Muslim country. He speaks a tiny bit of Arabic and said he and his Arab friends have been laughing about how some are making a fuss over "Barack Hussein," as this means "blessing, the good."
*chuckles*
Barack is also in the Christian Hall of Fame, Hebrews 11.
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 2/29/2008 12:39:54 PM
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Rich, I quoted you exactly and provided the link and precise message date and time. If you can provide the same for the quotes attributed to me then I'll stop using B. Hussein Obama's middle name. If you can't, all you have to do is stop inventing quotes and attributing them to me.
Below are the quotes you made up. The words passion and validate were in quotes in your original message and attributed to me.
"Ljmac, I think you need to work on your reading comprehension... At no point did I say I have a "passion" for America to lose.
Nice tactic though - you do NOT validate your ridiculous assertions and then claim you "validate" your accusations about me."
You'll find that I did not use the word passion when describing you. You'll also find that I did not use the word validate.
This is important because when someone is quoted it's supposed to be true.
You have proven not to know what "validate" means even though I tried to explain it to you. You can't prove what you claim about Obama and you can't prove I am 'anxious' to lose the war even though you claim you proved it (by quoting my comment from the Iraq war thread totally out of context).
Having "passion" for something and wanting something "anxiously" are very similar sentiments, but I guess in your limited grasp of vocabulary and semantics, you don't know that.
As I said before, I will say it again: I will gladly debate you in the Iraq war thread. And, I am still waiting for you to prove Obama has "passion" for America to lose in Iraq. (and don't talk about withdrawal of troops; you talk as if that's surrender when that isn't.)
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 2/29/2008 12:39:54 PM
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I would be estatic to have a black president. I think it would be great. Just not this man, nothing to do with him being a black man, his ears. I think he is slick, do not agree with his views. I think he is cultish, and has many followers. I do not trust him. That is ok is it not. That is why this is the USA, and voting, free speech and stuff.
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 2/29/2008 12:53:51 PM
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Rich, I quoted you exactly and provided the link and precise message date and time. If you can provide the same for the quotes attributed to me then I'll stop using B. Hussein Obama's middle name. If you can't, all you have to do is stop inventing quotes and attributing them to me.
Below are the quotes you made up. The words passion and validate were in quotes in your original message and attributed to me.
"Ljmac, I think you need to work on your reading comprehension... At no point did I say I have a "passion" for America to lose.
Nice tactic though - you do NOT validate your ridiculous assertions and then claim you "validate" your accusations about me."
You'll find that I did not use the word passion when describing you. You'll also find that I did not use the word validate.
This is important because when someone is quoted it's supposed to be true.
You have proven not to know what "validate" means even though I tried to explain it to you. You can't prove what you claim about Obama and you can't prove I am 'anxious' to lose the war even though you claim you proved it (by quoting my comment from the Iraq war thread totally out of context).
Having "passion" for something and wanting something "anxiously" are very similar sentiments, but I guess in your limited grasp of vocabulary and semantics, you don't know that.
As I said before, I will say it again: I will gladly debate you in the Iraq war thread. And, I am still waiting for you to prove Obama has "passion" for America to lose in Iraq. (and don't talk about withdrawal of troops; you talk as if that's surrender when that isn't.)
Is is too much to ask that you stop making up quotes?
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 2/29/2008 1:06:48 PM
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Is is too much to ask that you stop making up quotes?
I guess you don't see that having "passion" for something and wanting something "anxiously" are very similar. But suit yourself. You have nothing else to argue with and fall back on this ridiculous semantics point, all the while ignoring my requests for validation (which means to substantiate) the shrill accusations you've made about Obama (or about me). And quoting out of context doesn't count.
Obama wanted Saddam to stay in office and that's why he opposed the war? Yet Bush 41 didn't take him out and Ronnie saw Saddam as an ally... and yet this you ignore, as you've got nothing to refute it with.
PS: I guess that for you it's way too much to ask that you prove that which you say.
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 2/29/2008 1:28:57 PM
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Hello! I'm new to this chat forum thing and thought I'd put my over-seas, second-hand opinion into the stewpot for a lark  . Nothing stirs up the old hornets' nest like a chat about politics!
We have the antics of George W to thank for enabling a politician of Mr Obama's caliber and policies to rise through the political ranks. As you can see, the world has been increasingly going mad for quite some time. Whether we like it or not, different culturs believe in all different things, and massive gaps are going to have to be bridged, the world is going to have to learn to get along. I think its high time we had a third-culture-kid in office.
As for liberal policies that involve gay marriages and abortion: the basic truth of the matter is that society needs choice. I am very strongly against said policies (particularly the latter). But people need to be able to CHOOSE righteousness. As we've seen time and again: theocracies just don't work! (i.e. Oliver Cromwell's government, Hitler's regieme, modern day Pakistan)
Jesus warned about what happens when men try to recreate the kingdom of heaven here on earth: the parable of the mustard seed and the yeast.
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 2/29/2008 3:54:10 PM
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what about a little yeast, destroys the whole leaven? I guess if you vote for said polocies, then in truth, you have stated you belief of said polocies, means you have choose said polocies. GWB, has done nothing to what will be. GWB has not made thw world go crazy, what has is peoples choices as you state. I would be so very thriled, estatic, for a balck man to enter the white house, that is because he is a good canidate, but just because someone is black well- that is rather foolish. Make sure it is not someone who will shame the black race. A MLK type, colin Powell.
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Hello! I'm new to this chat forum thing and thought I'd put my over-seas, second-hand opinion into the stewpot for a lark . Nothing stirs up the old hornets' nest like a chat about politics!
We have the antics of George W to thank for enabling a politician of Mr Obama's caliber and policies to rise through the political ranks. As you can see, the world has been increasingly going mad for quite some time. Whether we like it or not, different culturs believe in all different things, and massive gaps are going to have to be bridged, the world is going to have to learn to get along. I think its high time we had a third-culture-kid in office.
As for liberal policies that involve gay marriages and abortion: the basic truth of the matter is that society needs choice. I am very strongly against said policies (particularly the latter). But people need to be able to CHOOSE righteousness. As we've seen time and again: theocracies just don't work! (i.e. Oliver Cromwell's government, Hitler's regieme, modern day Pakistan)
Jesus warned about what happens when men try to recreate the kingdom of heaven here on earth: the parable of the mustard seed and the yeast.
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RE: Who is Barack Obama? - 2/29/2008 4:26:52 PM
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