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RE: Thoughts on AC / DC - 11/28/2007 2:50:14 PM
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I do vaguely remember an album cover w/hieroglyphics. I can't remember the album name, but I think it's the one where there's a head to knees caption of him (fully clothed), possibly with a cross-bow or some sort of hunting related paraphernalia. Nugent's album covers were so focused on his personal caricature, I suspect that many of the Amboy Duke album covers were probably changed to coincide with all his solo efforts
I finally went through the vinyl mess.....er,umph, I mean, collection......I found 2 Amboy Dukes LPs: Ted Nugent And The Amboy Dukes "Marriage On The Rocks ~ Rock Bottom" , copyright 1969 , and their Live album, "Survival Of The Fittest~ Live" , copyright 1976.
The latter one has Ted on the front cover wearing white pants, white long sleeve shirt w/fringes on back of forearm, a leather vest with cowhide fringes, unbuttoned, and sporting a quiver w/arrows showing above his right shoulder. This must be the album you were thinking of, ObviousLee.
Back cover is some kind of collage made up of scraps from magazine photos. It has the image of the band members on stage jamming, what appears to be some four legged animal in the upper left corner (buffalo maybe),.....wow! There's actually a lot here I never noticed before.....I can make out some of the images....Martin Luther King Jr., John F. Kennedy, Richard Nixon, a former pope, (presumably one who held office in that era,60s-70s, Pius maybe?), the virgin Mary, what appears to be Christ crawling up the hill to Golgotha, and in the upper right corner, Christ hanging on the cross with huge drops of blood falling from his left hand. Very difficult to make out much of it, but very interesting to say the least. The album credits Vita P. Solomon as the artist. ...possibly related to Andy Solomon, the Amboy Dukes keyboardist???
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RE: Thoughts on AC / DC - 11/29/2007 2:29:11 PM
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I do vaguely remember an album cover w/hieroglyphics. I can't remember the album name, but I think it's the one where there's a head to knees caption of him (fully clothed), possibly with a cross-bow or some sort of hunting related paraphernalia. Nugent's album covers were so focused on his personal caricature, I suspect that many of the Amboy Duke album covers were probably changed to coincide with all his solo efforts
I finally went through the vinyl mess.....er,umph, I mean, collection......I found 2 Amboy Dukes LPs: Ted Nugent And The Amboy Dukes "Marriage On The Rocks ~ Rock Bottom" , copyright 1969 , and their Live album, "Survival Of The Fittest~ Live" , copyright 1976.
The latter one has Ted on the front cover wearing white pants, white long sleeve shirt w/fringes on back of forearm, a leather vest with cowhide fringes, unbuttoned, and sporting a quiver w/arrows showing above his right shoulder. This must be the album you were thinking of, ObviousLee.
Back cover is some kind of collage made up of scraps from magazine photos. It has the image of the band members on stage jamming, what appears to be some four legged animal in the upper left corner (buffalo maybe),.....wow! There's actually a lot here I never noticed before.....I can make out some of the images....Martin Luther King Jr., John F. Kennedy, Richard Nixon, a former pope, (presumably one who held office in that era,60s-70s, Pius maybe?), the virgin Mary, what appears to be Christ crawling up the hill to Golgotha, and in the upper right corner, Christ hanging on the cross with huge drops of blood falling from his left hand. Very difficult to make out much of it, but very interesting to say the least. The album credits Vita P. Solomon as the artist. ...possibly related to Andy Solomon, the Amboy Dukes keyboardist???
Wow! I have to give you kudos for still having those vinyls. I had both those albums, and I recall liking those quite a bit. I wasn't too crazy about the "Ted Nugent & The Amboy Dukes" s/t however. But Marriage and Survival were quite good IMO.
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RE: Thoughts on AC / DC - 12/4/2007 2:20:46 PM
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OK, I have at last put together my "tasteful" AC DC compilation....I'll post the track listing when I get a chance...if anyone is interested, that is!
Is it perfect? By no means. As I've said before, it's not easy finding AC DC tunes with "clean" (or should I say "somewhat less offensive") lyrics.
As I listen, I am reminded of how much has changed in my life since I was a die-hard fan of theirs. It's fun to reminisce and rock out to the old tunes (some of them anyway), but I don't enjoy it as much as I used to. A lot of it just seems silly. I've moved on, in so many words...
Great riffs, though! Fun to hear "Let There Be Rock", "Jailbreak" and "It's A Long Way To The Top" again after 20 years or so of not hearing them.
I confess I included "Whole Lotta Rosie", even though it's lyrically suspect - all about Bon's real-life escapades with a woman (descriptive, yes, but not necessarily prescriptive ...) On the positive side of things,the riffs and soloing on that one are irresistable.
As I said, my compilation is not perfect, but it's a good way to enjoy a little bit of their sound without the worst of their lyrical slop.
I'd be a liar if I said I was not attracted to their sound. I would also be lying if I said there was absolutely nothing wrong with their lyrics. Doing my best to separate the wheat from the chaff, and let me tell you, it's not always easy.
Thanks for all the input...I've enjoyed this thread!
That's it for now. Blessings to all!
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RE: Thoughts on AC / DC - 12/4/2007 5:50:26 PM
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I remember when AC/DC first came out in the States. Inspite of their blues based sound, as I remember it, they were identified (at least in some circles) as a punk band. The first time I remember them coming to the SF area, they opened in a club for Ian Dury and the Blockheads. I think they were more lumped into that category because at that time any band that deviated from the Americana sound, or sounding to any degree eccentric, was suspect of being 'punk'! I don't know if they were necessarily embraced by punk rock fans the way Motorhead was (remember the punk phrase "Motorhead is the only Heavy Metal band that matters"?)!
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RE: Thoughts on AC / DC - 12/4/2007 10:05:21 PM
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OK, I have at last put together my "tasteful" AC DC compilation....I'll post the track listing when I get a chance...if anyone is interested, that is!
Is it perfect? By no means. As I've said before, it's not easy finding AC DC tunes with "clean" (or should I say "somewhat less offensive") lyrics.
As I listen, I am reminded of how much has changed in my life since I was a die-hard fan of theirs. It's fun to reminisce and rock out to the old tunes (some of them anyway), but I don't enjoy it as much as I used to. A lot of it just seems silly. I've moved on, in so many words...
Great riffs, though! Fun to hear "Let There Be Rock", "Jailbreak" and "It's A Long Way To The Top" again after 20 years or so of not hearing them.
I confess I included "Whole Lotta Rosie", even though it's lyrically suspect - all about Bon's real-life escapades with a woman (descriptive, yes, but not necessarily prescriptive ...) On the positive side of things,the riffs and soloing on that one are irresistable.
As I said, my compilation is not perfect, but it's a good way to enjoy a little bit of their sound without the worst of their lyrical slop.
I'd be a liar if I said I was not attracted to their sound. I would also be lying if I said there was absolutely nothing wrong with their lyrics. Doing my best to separate the wheat from the chaff, and let me tell you, it's not always easy.
Thanks for all the input...I've enjoyed this thread!
That's it for now. Blessings to all!
Hey - you won't hear a thing from me about including "Rosie". One of the best guitar riffs ever! I especially like the live version on "Got Blood...". "Rosie" along with "Thunderstruck" are probably my favorites from the band.
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RE: Thoughts on AC / DC - 12/5/2007 3:09:36 AM
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"It's A Long Way To The Top"
Hey BlindLemon,
I have a trivia question for you.............
What band recorded a cover of "It's A Long Way To The Top" dedicated to the memory of Bon Scott?
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RE: Thoughts on AC / DC - 12/5/2007 7:31:42 PM
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Welll, I'm stumped on that one!
My passion for all things AC DC pretty much ended after 1986. So I'm way behind in the trivia department.
Pray tell, who covered "It's A Long Way To The Top"?? And most importantly, did they use bagpipes?
As for the live version of "Rosie" on "If You Want Blood...", I haven't heard that album in over 20 years.....but I'll take your word for it!! Maybe I'll pick that up eventually, provided it's on sale!
Blessings!
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RE: Thoughts on AC / DC - 12/6/2007 9:54:45 PM
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I believe that a lot of rock music is actually innocent ... and my belief is that satan actually influences a lot of these rock bands, both old and new school and the rock bands influence people, which leads to sin .... I don't know. I actually like ac/dc, great band. I grew up listening to it ... ozzy osbourne, whitesnake, led zepplin, etc. However now that I am saved ... some music just doesn't sit right with me in my spirit.
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RE: [Deleted] - 9/12/2008 12:33:08 AM
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I decided to revive this thread regarding AC / DC....I've been thinking about them a bit of late. I own all the Bon Scott era albums, plus "Flick Of The Switch"....with these, I make compilations of the most tolerable, least offensive tunes in their catalog, for whenever the mood strikes me to "rock out" a bit. I was a big fan of the band in my youth, and it's a shame to me that so many of their songs are practically off limits to these sanctified ears.
I noticed that they are releasing a new album soon (maybe it's already out) called "Black Ice". I'm not particularly interested in getting it, but I'm figuring that it will be more of the same....monster riffs with a lot of morally bankrupt lyrical content. It seems ridiculous that men in their 50's (Brian Johnson is in his sixties) are still singing juvenile songs of lust and conquest. Then again, what else could they do at this point?
I confess that though I try and choose the most "tasteful" songs when I'm in the mood to hear their thunderous sound, I still struggle with it...I mean, there are so many songs that are terrific musically speaking (great playing, great solos, etc.), but they are ruined by the lyrics. It's sad when you can only listen to about half of an album, while the other half never gets played due to lyrical content.
By the way, I'm by no means perfect ....I do play the offensive songs occasionally. I'm 100% human, and I get drawn into a song by a catchy intro or beat just the same as anyone. Even though I know such songs don't quite fit into the admonition found in Phillipians 4:8. Even though I prop myself up as a champion of using discernment. I ask myself sometimes, why I am even interested in these guys if I'm a born-again believer? But I am. I am interested in their sound, and I really enjoy the "good" songs (to me) like "A Long Way To The Top", "Jailbreak", "Overdose", "High Voltage" etc. etc. while trying hard (and sometimes failing) to avoid listening to the bad stuff.
Anyway, I've been thinking about these men on a personal level....I'm still looking for an interview that reveals a little bit about their personal life. What are their spiritual beliefs, if any? Are their lifestyles anything like their songs, are they continually on the prowl for women and booze, even into their own age?
These men are all millionaires several times over, without having much in the way of education. What were their parents like? What influenced them the most growing up in blue collar Australia?
Either they are really, really private or they are as one-dimensional as most of their music. I'm just wondering about these things tonight.....and rambling on incessantly. I'll stop here!
Thoughts and comments welcome.
Long Winded Conflicted Lemon
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RE: [Deleted] - 9/12/2008 12:37:04 AM
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Are their lifestyles anything like their songs, are they continually on the prowl for women and booze, even into their own age?
A correction....the last line of this question should read "even into their old age?"
For those who care about such things. Late night typos, that is!
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RE: Thoughts on AC / DC - 9/12/2008 8:34:16 AM
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How do you guys like that new song they've got, "Rock and Roll Train", "Runaway Train", or whatever it's called? It's pretty awesome. I was wondering why we practically hadn't heard them nearly all the past decade.
Someone has said that AC/DC doesn't have good guitar solos. Well, that's because Angus Young is comng from the blues tradition, not metal, where guitar solos have a little more finesse and polish. I have always thought Angus has had a great tone.
I have to say that, for all the complaints of their being "morally bankrupt", yes, it's AC/DC. It's ROCK AND ROLL. We should know what rock and roll used to mean in the 50's BEFORE it was applied to the name of a new kind of popular music. Again, their sense of salacious humor comes straight from the blues. When I hear their lyrics, I have to laugh. I GET IT!!!!  It's FUNNY!!! I guess if people want AC/DC not to corrupt kiddies, they should make their lyrics a little more like Dream Theater.
Rock and roll SHOULD be about shaking stuff up, ruffling feathers!!!
ACDC is also playing in Seattle and Tacoma this fall!! 
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RE: Thoughts on AC / DC - 9/12/2008 9:37:05 AM
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I know Brian Johnson lives in Florida, and from what I understand is working on a Broadway style musical.
Angus Young is nothing like his stage persona, and actually paints as a pasttime.
Most rock bands are just a carefully crafted image; it would be impossible to live that sex, drugs, and rock and roll party lifestyle 24 hours a day, at least for very long...
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RE: Thoughts on AC / DC - 9/12/2008 10:20:50 AM
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Most rock bands are just a carefully crafted image; it would be impossible to live that sex, drugs, and rock and roll party lifestyle 24 hours a day, at least for very long...
I believe you on Brian and Angus but if anyone has proven the above wrong it would be Lemmy Kilmeister of (is) Motorhead.
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RE: Thoughts on AC / DC - 9/13/2008 11:17:34 AM
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The music is good but the voice grates on my nerves. My son cannot see why I do not love the music like he does.
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RE: Thoughts on AC / DC - 9/15/2008 10:15:27 PM
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Over on you tube, I watched parts of a film on AC/DC that I haven't seen in over 20 years..."Let There Be Rock", a documentary filmed during the band's 1979 concerts in Paris. It has never been released on DVD, and is fairly hard to find. In my pre-salvation days, this was the best thing out there for AC/DC fans.
It's mostly concert footage, with occasional short interviews with band members, in a casual backstage, offstage setting. I figured I could get a little glimpse into their personal lives.
What I noticed about Bon was that he seemed quite shy offstage, somewhat cheerful and somewhat world-weary, all at the same time. He also commented that he drank too much (obviously), but he didn't say it with a defiant sneer, he seemed almost embarassed to talk about it.
The image onstage seemed quite different than that of Bon offstage. Granted, he still talked a bit about going out drinking and "sharing women" with Cliff Williams (seems they were close), but my overall impression was quite different than I expected. Then again, knowing they were being filmed, I'm sure they didn't give us a ton of info on their personal life, only the parts they chose to reveal...but at least it was a tiny glimpse.
The sad thing is, he was dead not long after this was filmed. Watching it again after all these years, I still marveled and enjoyed their great sound (of course not every lyric), but the overall feeling I got out of it was sadness....I felt sad for them as people.
Anyway, anybody see the film? Anyone even remember it, or own a copy to this day?
Just more random thoughts on AC/DC.
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RE: Thoughts on AC / DC - 9/16/2008 2:23:30 PM
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where are the CHRISTIAN versions of AC/DC, why are the so called secular bands laying the musical foundation for everyone to follow?
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RE: Thoughts on AC / DC - 9/16/2008 2:28:50 PM
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I think Rez Band and X-Sinner come closest to being the Christian versions of AC/DC.
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RE: Thoughts on AC / DC - 9/16/2008 4:29:34 PM
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Over on you tube, I watched parts of a film on AC/DC that I haven't seen in over 20 years..."Let There Be Rock", a documentary filmed during the band's 1979 concerts in Paris. It has never been released on DVD, and is fairly hard to find. In my pre-salvation days, this was the best thing out there for AC/DC fans.
It's mostly concert footage, with occasional short interviews with band members, in a casual backstage, offstage setting. I figured I could get a little glimpse into their personal lives.
What I noticed about Bon was that he seemed quite shy offstage, somewhat cheerful and somewhat world-weary, all at the same time. He also commented that he drank too much (obviously), but he didn't say it with a defiant sneer, he seemed almost embarassed to talk about it.
The image onstage seemed quite different than that of Bon offstage. Granted, he still talked a bit about going out drinking and "sharing women" with Cliff Williams (seems they were close), but my overall impression was quite different than I expected. Then again, knowing they were being filmed, I'm sure they didn't give us a ton of info on their personal life, only the parts they chose to reveal...but at least it was a tiny glimpse.
The sad thing is, he was dead not long after this was filmed. Watching it again after all these years, I still marveled and enjoyed their great sound (of course not every lyric), but the overall feeling I got out of it was sadness....I felt sad for them as people.
Anyway, anybody see the film? Anyone even remember it, or own a copy to this day?
Just more random thoughts on AC/DC.
Heard the song "Let There Be Rock" on an ad for Rock Band on TV yesterday. Even though "Back in Black" is a classic album, and definitely one of my top ten of all time, it almost was a different band after Bon Scott died. Bon brought a certain vibe and sound that could not be replaced. I'm going to have to retool my AC/DC collection.
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RE: Thoughts on AC / DC - 9/16/2008 4:44:33 PM
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where are the CHRISTIAN versions of AC/DC, why are the so called secular bands laying the musical foundation for everyone to follow?
This is exactly what is wrong with Christian music....we keep looking for Christian versions of our favorite bands as opposed to being fresh and original....
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RE: Thoughts on AC / DC - 9/17/2008 7:45:39 AM
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You do have a point Tafkam, but there are a few bands that are fresh and original IMO - Project 86, Beanbag and P.O.D. are the only ones I can think that are truly original in their sound. All the screamo and EMO groups (like Dead Poetic) might be just as good as their secular counterparts but definitely not original as far as their sound.
But I am sure that if you asked most CCM bands who influenced them you'll get a list of secular bands. Even the "original" CCM artists were just rock n roll with Christian lyrics.
I think it has to do with the rigid box that Christians put themselves in. They feel they have to conform to some standard so they won't be considered "not Christian enough". This goes for politics as well as music. This doesn't allow for the creativity God wants them to have since they are receiving their inspiration through a narrow window. Christians need to be more open minded and not close off that most awesome source of creativity who is God.
BTW, my old zesty rind enshrouded source of lemonade suffering from extreme myopia, (aka BlindLemon) you've convinced me (actually I convinced myself) to go out and get some Bon Scott AC/DC. I'll go to Rhino Records where I always can find something in the used bin but I definitely want "Let There Be Rock" as one of the songs.
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RE: Thoughts on AC / DC - 9/17/2008 4:50:33 PM
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we more innovation without fear, like THE COURAGE OUR LORD SHOWED ON THE CROSS AND IN LIFE.
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RE: Thoughts on AC / DC - 9/17/2008 4:53:43 PM
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there will never be another bon scott, but the singer i miss the most is the late great Freddie Mercury. I saw Queen`s concert from wembly stadium on vh1 and i`m still amazed.
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RE: Thoughts on AC / DC - 9/17/2008 9:02:16 PM
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there will never be another bon scott, but the singer i miss the most is the late great Freddie Mercury. I saw Queen`s concert from wembly stadium on vh1 and i`m still amazed.
Kenneth Andrews
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And don't forget the original sound of Brian May's guitar. He could make that sing along with Freddie!
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