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Fritzpw_Admin -> A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread (11/19/2007 12:56:47 PM)
Red and yellow, black and white, they are precious in His sight. Welcome to the One Stop thread for all things related to racial issues. Do they exist? Why do they exist? How can they be overcome? What should be done about past offenses? Discuss these as well as other questions that may come up... all things racial. [Admin's Note: Please refrain from personal attack.]

GregandJenny -> RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread (11/19/2007 6:07:18 PM)
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Lapidoth -> RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread (11/19/2007 7:49:00 PM)
quote: Welcome to the One Stop thread for all things related to racial issues. Do they exist? Yes. They will always exist. quote: Why do they exist? Prejudice is passed down from generation to generation. The 'power brokers' use it to keep their power over us. quote: How can they be overcome? Recognize we are guilty before God and Repent. quote: What should be done about past offenses? If we are the offender, we need to seek forgiveness and stop. If we are the offended, we need to forgive and move on. Stop dragging it up as a trump card. quote: Discuss these as well as other questions that may come up... all things racial. Okay, did God put a black man/woman with a white woman/man? Many judge by the color of skin, but it has nothing to do with it except for the prejudices society carries. God put "male and female" together. He didn't say anything about color. He DID NOT put white male and white male together. He DID NOT put black male and black male together. He DID NOT put white female and white female together. He DID NOT put black female and black female together. He DID NOT put black male and white male together. Again, it has nothing to do with color. It has everything to do with gender. God put "male and female" together.

GregandJenny -> RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread (11/19/2007 8:11:32 PM)
Amen Carl, AMEN!!!!

Ellie-Mae -> RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread (11/19/2007 8:18:07 PM)
Does this mean that we are done with this discussion now? Whew! Glad that we wrapped that one up.[;)] Next topic!

zoebob -> RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread (11/19/2007 8:18:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ellie-Mae Does this mean that we are done with this discussion now? Whew! Glad that we wrapped that one up.[;)] Next topic! Easiest one stop ever.

GregandJenny -> RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread (11/19/2007 9:09:32 PM)
LOL. Part of the problem with the discussions is that people tend to only want to talk about them when something in the news pokes at them. That's one of the reasons we don't see healing. The only time we seem to address race is when our blood is so boiling that no one can seek to understand the other side so that they can truly be understood. GH

Memaw. -> RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread (11/19/2007 9:11:31 PM)
Whoo hoo! I get to post on the first page of a 1-Stop! Years from now someone will read the hundreds of pages that have accumulated in this and see that I posted on the FIRST PAGE!!! [8D] [:D]

Lapidoth -> RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread (11/19/2007 9:17:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Memaw. Whoo hoo! I get to post on the first page of a 1-Stop! Years from now someone will read the hundreds of pages that have accumulated in this and see that I posted on the FIRST PAGE!!! [8D] [:D] ROFL. Congratulations.

SonInMe1 -> RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread (11/19/2007 9:25:28 PM)
At work, the guys I work with often listen to the radio. When we finish up on Friday we must clean up before we go home. Usually a radio will be playing while we do so. The station was a self professed "black" radio station, playing from hip hop to gospel music. While we were cleaning they had a "talk show" on and they were discussing employment seminars for the black community. In the discussions there was a definite us vs them attitude. An almost call to arms to protect the fellowship against the evils of society. It was insinuated that everyone who was listening was on board with their line of thinking. They must mobilize and circle the wagons and go forth into the community armed for battle. It would seem to me...if jobs and employment are the goal...then why is this a black issue? There are unemployed white people and latinos and indians and asians and...and...and... It just seems to me seperating people by race...making the color of one's skin the reason for charity....is not only prejudicial ( is suggests black people are in special need of assistance ) it is racist by excluding others just by the color of their skin. Why isn't this prejudice?

Acts29 -> RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread (11/19/2007 11:59:02 PM)
At work someone asked another person if they could borrow their "white out" referring to liquid paper. The person lent it to the guy and asked not to call it by that name again because it is a racial slur. Later the guy reported the person who asked for the white out as making racist remarks. I never knew the term "white out" was a racist remark. This did not happen to me but it could have since I have also referred to liquid paper as "white out".

ironsharpensiron -> RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread (11/20/2007 1:16:37 AM)
quote: At work someone asked another person if they could borrow their "white out" referring to liquid paper. The person lent it to the guy and asked not to call it by that name again because it is a racial slur. Later the guy reported the person who asked for the white out as making racist remarks. I never knew the term "white out" was a racist remark. This did not happen to me but it could have since I have also referred to liquid paper as "white out". That's pretty crazy, although, in this day and age, I could certainly see this happen. matthew

Okami -> RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread (11/20/2007 1:38:06 AM)
If you wiki it, Wite-Out is a brand name. There are also various Whiteout things, but nothing that refers to a racial slur. Here is my response form the other thread, just to add. Because it's the other way around. If it was against them, then it would be prejudice. quote: It would seem to me...if jobs and employment are the goal...then why is this a black issue? There are unemployed white people and latinos and indians and asians and...and...and... It just seems to me seperating people by race...making the color of one's skin the reason for charity....is not only prejudicial ( is suggests black people are in special need of assistance ) it is racist by excluding others just by the color of their skin. A similar thing happened during the past year. They were seeking to change affirmative action in college applications. The idea was that students didn't have a race box on the app, so they got in only by their grades. The side-effect was, that they didn't take minorities just to fill a quota over a higher graded student that applied. Suddenly, the latino stations called it "an attack on the mexican race so that we could be kept out of colleges". Then it spread to the hip hop stations, and the idea was shot down. Go Go political correctness.

FurGodWurLivin -> RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread (11/20/2007 2:26:37 AM)
It's unfortunate that racism happens. I don't think this will always be the case (hey, Jesus has to come back sometime), but it is happening right now. Problem (A), it keeps happening. Problem (B), the people who are the most vocal are also the least meek people on earth. Problem (C), until the world as a whole learns to live in the Sermon on the Mount attitude, people will always be protesting some kind of infringement on their rights... real or otherwise. The really fun part is that oppressing the side that had been an oppressor is not regarded as prejudiced evil, or some kind of racist plot, but rather as a twisted kind of recompense. For example, in the story above, Affirmative Action means that higher qualified candidates have a harder time finding a job because of their skin color (or lack thereof), while some minority candidates get hired just because of their skin color. Were the shoe on the other foot, there would be a media outcry against it and the lynch mobs would be running the streets (just like they did in Jena). Myself, I'm all for ending Affirmative Action and seeing if businessmen are actually dumb enough to pass over a highly qualified black man because he is a black man. My answer to racism isn't so much that we do as much as possible to integrate the society, rather that we stop making such a fuss about it and let the issue die peacefully. Suppose a kid does get told that he won't get a job because the company needs to make their quota of minority hires... that sounds like a great way to inspire hatred towards minorities. Suppose a kid gets told he IS getting hired because of the company quota? Sounds like a great way to inspire distrust of "the man". Essentially, the bigger an issue we make of it, the less likely we are to actually get over it. If we want to get brutally honest, my money is going to do nothing to help heal a wound that I didn't make on someone who wasn't alive to get hurt. I'm not saying/suggesting that black people today don't have a legitimate reason to be hurt by their treatment, I'm very sure that there are some out there who are still dealing with racism in it's ugliest form, but I'm saying there is a better way than to start yelling/crying/getting violent/withdrawing or what have you. Pray, repent, forgive, move on. The sooner we all get some meekness the better for all of us. Adam

Lapidoth -> RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread (11/20/2007 11:17:10 AM)
As long as we have the Sharptons and guys like him,there will always be the black/white war. The problem I have with these guys is that they don't care any more about their "race" than they do about the "other" race. It's all about power and corruption. So, they will not let it die for their own gain. The rich versus the poor is another prejudice card played. The truth of this is a that what we are told over and over and over until we believe it is a LIE. Last year, the poorest doubled their income. The middle incomes increased 25 to 50%. The "RICH" evil upper class income went down 15% or so. So, the mantra the rich get richer and the poor get poorer is a LIE. The reason for it if it does happen is the rich keep doing what they do to get rich {WORK}. And the poor keep doing what they do to be poor {SPONGE}. Our society is brainwashed that the government is the mommy and daddy and santa clause of ALL. Yet they destroy the ones who pay the bills. And no, I'm not rich. I'm on the poor side of the scale. But I live like a king because I live in a free republic. The poorest American lives like the kings of the third world countries. As long as it's about money which turns into power, prejudice will not be permitted to die a natural death. The civil war would have ended it if the power brokers didn't use it to manipulate and control the rest of us. But as you say, Jesus will come with Justice and rule with an Iron Rod. And the lazy and the greedy will not like the Justice. The majority live by and for injustice to their own benefit.

stampinlady -> RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread (11/20/2007 1:01:45 PM)
quote: But as you say, Jesus will come with Justice and rule with an Iron Rod Amen and untill then we need to live up to our potential. Embrace our "colors" and teach others about our cultures. I started training at Kohls and many around me make comments that some might take as being racist. I think that those making these comments are just ignorant about others cultures and choose to remain ignorant. I also noticed that these same people have the attitude of , "This is the US, do it our (my) way!" Maybe it's just me, but sometimes there ae cultrual and language barriers that need to be broken down and we just need to be patient with each other.

SonInMe1 -> RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread (11/20/2007 9:15:28 PM)
My problem with the talk show wasn't so much what they were trying to do but how they presented it. There was no doubt...there was an underlining of hatred there. An us against them attitude. I guess if you target people by race you almost have to have a measure of hatred. Of revenge. Of being seperate. Its why I dislike this notion of a black culture. There is no such thing. Its like fostering stereotypoes or something. Not all black people like hip hop or gospel. Not all black people eat the same foods or wear the same clothes or believe the same things. Not all black people...are american. It seems the "black community" wants to portray itself in a very unflattering way. The radio station they guys were listening to....most of the night they played such terrible hip hop with all the hate and swearing it was hard to listen to...then the same station in the morning plays gospel. ???? We have to get over the color of our skins and just be people.

cog41 -> RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread (11/20/2007 10:45:25 PM)
If left alone to buy,sell,trade and barter,play,laugh and sing, I think most people would look far beyon skin color. But unfortunately the political power hungry types and the social moochers will not let that happen. Include in that group certain media venues looking for a story to hype up a notch.

Roberta_ -> RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread (11/20/2007 11:47:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: zoebob quote: ORIGINAL: Ellie-Mae Does this mean that we are done with this discussion now? Whew! Glad that we wrapped that one up.[;)] Next topic! Easiest one stop ever. You're such a dreamer! [;)]

Covaan_Meshuga -> RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread (11/21/2007 1:04:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Memaw. Whoo hoo! I get to post on the first page of a 1-Stop! Years from now someone will read the hundreds of pages that have accumulated in this and see that I posted on the FIRST PAGE!!! [8D] [:D] Me, too, depending upon the settings!! On the first page with my settings, anyway!

SadieJ -> RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread (11/21/2007 1:58:50 AM)
Its truly no honest way in America to discuss race. So called christians aren't enlightened enough nor do most of them have enough Christ in them to truly assess the problem of race in America and overcome it in their own personal lives. Even in these post; christians still fail to admit and refuse to look at the facts of racism in America. Blame for racism is passed back and forward but never claimed--excuses are always made why equality for all can't happen; Al Sharpton is blamed, the Klan is blamed and then you have those who just don't want to deal with it. Its even been said here: just don't talk about it--let it die out; what a laugh! this will never happen..the subject hasn't died in 400 years and it won't for another 400 years - probably never will as long as there are hardened hearts and closed minds in America. There was racism and prejudice in Jesus day as well which shows the fallen nature of man. Jesus mingled with the Samaritians (who were a race of people who were victims of racism in Jesus day) as well as all forms of sinners and unbelievers. Jesus showed no respecter of persons--he viewed us all the same---SINNERS IN NEED OF GRACE regardless of what color we are. God made us all and will judge all which includes our deeds in our present lives. The Word of God says how can we love him and hate our neighbor which includes black people and all people of color as well as white; it's not possible. Opinions and believes are so divided on this subject. No way will there ever truly be honest discussion or a solution; no matter which way it went someone will feel slighted. The few responses to this question proves that. Folks have various reasons why racism happens. Some blame others or laws. Some don't believe it exist to the extend where it negetively effects the quality of life for some Americans. Whites in no way can understand living under the pressure of racism. Most have a hard time empathizing with those under its effect. Blacks are sick and tired of being sick and tired of racism. The so-called "American dream" seems to be reserved for the majority only and damn anybody else who desires the same.

Roberta_ -> RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread (11/21/2007 2:25:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SadieJ Whites in no way can understand living under the pressure of racism. Most have a hard time empathizing with those under its effect. Blacks are sick and tired of being sick and tired of racism. The so-called "American dream" seems to be reserved for the majority only and damn anybody else who desires the same. That is a racists generalization. I'm Comanche and Irish. I was raised part of my childhood in orphanages that were mostly black. I look "white" and no one knows about my Comanche heritage unless I tell them. Unfortunately, I didn't have to tell anyone. Any time a white child started to be friendly with me, one of the blacks would let them know that I was an Indian. That would end that friendship and I'd be back in isolation. Don't tell me the "white" Americans don't know what it's like. This "white" girl knows what it's like. You'd be suprised at how many other "white" Americans also know what it's like. Broad sweeping generalizations don't help anything and claiming that one race can't possibly know how another race feels just adds more fuel to the fire. Unfortunately racism is alive and well today. Having our own little pity parties and claiming that this or that other race has it so much better is a huge part of what keeps racism alive. I can accept my heritage and be proud of it, or I can be jealous of my white neighbors.

rcjames -> RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread (11/21/2007 8:39:05 AM)
I have always admired the 'I Have a Dream" speech and especially this part. quote: I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. It is too bad that this part of his dream did not come out of the Civil Rights movement. When folks judge by the content of one's character and not color, then racism has been overcome. Sadly this is not what happened, as with most things the governent does they swung the pendelum past the correct spot and we still judge by color. It seems that most folks of color feel that before the civil rights movement they were looked down upon and kept down because of their color (and rightfully so). It seems that afterwards a major part feel that they deserve to have an advantage because of their color. What ever happened to judging on a level playing field by one's character and not of color? If Dr. King was serious when he spoke those words, I would imagine he is very sad over the present situation. Thanks RC

SonInMe1 -> RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread (11/21/2007 9:32:01 AM)
quote: facts of racism These are the facts of racism today. If you have been prejudiced against, you can prove it. Then sue. Someone calling you a name is not racism. Someone keeping you from employment..is. If you can't prove it, move on. Racism today is more about thin skin than anything else. quote: the subject hasn't died in 400 years and it won't for another 400 years Nothing has happened in 400 years...????? Its no wonder racism exists today with this mindset. quote: Jesus showed no respecter of persons--he viewed us all the same---SINNERS IN NEED OF GRACE regardless of what color we are. amen. quote: Some don't believe it exist to the extend where it negetively effects the quality of life for some Americans. Sue. If you can demonstrate real grievences, then sue. quote: Whites in no way can understand living under the pressure of racism. I don't know how to respond to this. There may be a grain of truth to this but, to say modern day minorities suffer real racism is WAY overboard. Minorities of 50 years ago would laugh in your spoiled faces if you said that to them. quote: The so-called "American dream" seems to be reserved for the majority only and damn anybody else who desires the same. Guess what? Most of us evil white americans don't have the american dream either. It ain't just you po' black folks. Less than 2% of americans make over 100,000 dollars ( old stat from the early ninties but probably very accurate today ) There are NO rich black people? If racism was so rampant as some believe there could not be any rich black people...and I am not talking about athletes or stars either. quote: I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. amen and amen.

Covaan_Meshuga -> RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread (11/21/2007 10:07:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rcjames ...It seems that most folks of color feel that before the civil rights movement they were looked down upon and kept down because of their color (and rightfully so). It seems that afterwards a major part feel that they deserve to have an advantage because of their color. What ever happened to judging on a level playing field by one's character and not of color?... Thanks RC I tend to think very much in the way of your words that I bolded. The reason I think this way is because I believe that the pendulum had to swing grossly to the other side, giving all non-Caucasian peoples an advantage for a period, because non-Caucasian have been held down and held back for so long that they needed that time to regroup, to climb that ladder without disruption while Caucasians waited for them to catch up. We have to remember: * the slave ships forcing people to leave home and family to come here to work for nothing, most of them dying from the cruelty on those ships and many dying under the hands of the "masters" * followed by the folks who got by with another kind of slavery because circumstances kept people where they served another kind of slavery by such poor wages and high prices that held them captive * Carpet Baggers * horrid schools * lack of colleges that would allow the people in * American prison camps for Asians who had everything taken from them by force * laws that enforced taxes on things they were not allowed to use, thus keeping them down * refusal to allow non-Caucasions to high places in government * forced segregation * and more.... The unfortunate part, in my opinion, is that so many non-Caucasians have forgotten what their ancestors did, what they went through even in my life time, to get the present-day people where they are. In my life time, it is not that the people had separate restaurants, restrooms, water fountains, etc.; it is that the people lived through that time then did what they had to do to rise above it all. I mourn for their dreams for the present geneeration, because those dreams are not even close to being realized on a social level. Some have caught the vision and have excelled, but many would rather hang back, expecting society to carry them, spitting upon the sacrifices of the ancestors. This grieves me deeply. A lot of people didn't like what Bill Cosby had to say, but personally, I believe that those who didn't like what he said are simply not enamored with the truth.

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