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RE: U.S. cancels Fulbright grants for Gaza students - 6/6/2008 11:31:15 AM
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freakofnature
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No wormheart, not necissarily, I was just confirming your stance, I couldn't really tell by your statemtent and I have not read any previous post if you have them. Stating that Iran will be within its rights to bomb back seems a bit like... IDK.. just confirming again.
Really? You don’t think a sovereign nation that is being attacked have the rights to defend itself?
I am quite sure they will defend themselves but they would not have to if they would comply and dismantle their nuclear program in the first place. I mean, who is being stubborn here?
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Hey theo, so let's suppose that Iran goes ahead with it's intention of bomb building to bring complete destruction on the entire earth,
Why do you think the Iranians want total destruction on earth? I doubt they would gain anything from that. They are not cartoon villains.
Well, if they were to attack say, Isreal, defeat Isreal, who do you think will be the next target? Then it is all out war, Russia, China gets involved, British, American. Total destruction. Their objective is death to infidels. Which pretty well includes most of the rest of the world. NO?
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RE: One year on, Hamas deepens rule in Gaza - 6/6/2008 3:53:50 PM
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And Iran will of course be well within their rights to defend themselves from an attack.
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The Israelis will have hit them before they'll even know to launch a SAM! It's the aftereffects of such a move that I'll be more concerned with. Oil at $200 a barrel and gas at $8-10 per gallon.
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RE: One year on, Hamas deepens rule in Gaza - 6/7/2008 11:55:53 AM
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Iran is run by a bunch of religious fanatics with severe Islamic messianic fantasies but are we prepared for another war? Granted we already have the troops on both sides of Iran (a fact that was not lost on me in 2003) so the logistical bases are already set up. But if war were to happen expect a resumption of the draft and $7-10 a gallon gas!!
America has to be prepared, she got the troops there near Amargeddeon!
We already in it. Remember GWB said Bring it on!
And we shouted with him. Yeah, dude, let's go kick some butt. Yee haw!
Too late now. Iran gonna just help it along, that's all.
Part of the LAST WAR! The one between good and evil, G-d and satan.
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Americans need to get ready to make massive sacrifices that no one here is prepared for.
Ready? We too fat and lazy, my dad says it's like how they used to fatten the pig before we killed him. He says the devil just fattening them up.
Most of these people over here never been in warfare, some of those countries know how to fight been in war for years, they kids know how to load rifles, shoot off those shoulder missles,
What we know how to do? play videos, LOL.
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There's no credible evidence that Iran is building bombs, so Israel's and the U.S.'s threats are baseless, just like they were on Iraq.
LOL. They ain't got to build one. They gonna buy it from North Korea, or get ahold of Pakistan's. WE cut off North Korea's money along time ago, eventually they gonna get tired of being hungry, and sell it. And the money we pay Iran for oil , is gonna buy one from them to drop on Israel.
But again, G-D got Israel. He says that in His WORD!
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RE: U.S. cancels Fulbright grants for Gaza students - 6/7/2008 3:06:36 PM
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I am quite sure they will defend themselves but they would not have to if they would comply and dismantle their nuclear program in the first place. I mean, who is being stubborn here?
They are a sovereign nation. The US is very hostile to any attempt from the UN or your allies to dictate any US policy. Why should the Iranians do what the US tell them, when the US would never let Mexico or Canada dictate anything about the US nuclear arsenal?
Besides – they claim they don’t make weapons in the first place. Not that it matters – they will face the same consequences regardless of the facts, so they might at well try to get them.
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Well, if they were to attack say, Isreal, defeat Isreal, who do you think will be the next target? Then it is all out war, Russia, China gets involved, British, American. Total destruction. Their objective is death to infidels. Which pretty well includes most of the rest of the world. NO?
Which is why they wouldn’t start an all out war. They would be turned into glass, and they know it. The Iranian president is not a madman, despite western rhetoric. Insane people don’t lead nations – it takes way too much intelligence to survive in the political game.
Nuking Israel would be suicide.
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RE: U.S. cancels Fulbright grants for Gaza students - 6/7/2008 3:50:09 PM
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Their objective is death to infidels. Which pretty well includes most of the rest of the world. NO?
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This is an example of the most stupid, inane western propaganda. Iran do not want to kill all "infidels". If they did, there wouldn't be any non-muslims in Iran, right?
Like, say... Jews.
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Jews in Iran
The reports put the figure at around 35,000 in mid-1990s[24] and at less than 40,000 nowadays, with around 25,000 residing in Tehran. However, Iran's Jewish community still remains the largest among the Muslim countries.[25]
Ayatollah Khomeini met with the Jewish community upon his return from exile in Paris and issued a fatwa decreeing that the Jews were to be protected.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Jews
Christians?
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A number of Christian denominations are represented in Iran. Many members of the larger, older churches belong to ethnic groups with their own distinctive culture and language. The members of the newer, smaller churches are drawn both from the traditionally Christian ethnic minorities and to an increasingly larger degree converts from non-Christian background.
The main Christian churches are:
Armenian Apostolic Church of Iran (about 110,000-300,000 adherents),[citation needed]
Assyrian Church of the East of Iran (about 11,000 adherents),
Chaldean Catholic Church of Iran (about 7,000 adherents),
various Protestant denominations, most important of which are:
Presbyterian, including the Assyrian Evangelical Church
Jama'at-e Rabbani (the Iranian Assemblies of God churches)
and the Anglican Church of Iran.
All statistical information is from church-based sources [1] and reflects the situation in the year 2000 (Christians formed 0.2% of the total Iranian population in 2000).
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christians_in_Iran
If Iran wanted to kill all non-muslims, why are they not starting a genocide within their borders?
Because they dont want to kill all infidels!
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RE: One year on, Hamas deepens rule in Gaza - 6/8/2008 5:55:11 AM
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Iran is run by a bunch of religious fanatics with severe Islamic messianic fantasies but are we prepared for another war? Granted we already have the troops on both sides of Iran (a fact that was not lost on me in 2003) so the logistical bases are already set up. But if war were to happen expect a resumption of the draft and $7-10 a gallon gas!!
America has to be prepared, she got the troops there near Amargeddeon!
We already in it. Remember GWB said Bring it on!
And we shouted with him. Yeah, dude, let's go kick some butt. Yee haw!
Too late now. Iran gonna just help it along, that's all.
Part of the LAST WAR! The one between good and evil, G-d and satan.
You need to stop watching TBN. It's messing with your thought pattern
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Americans need to get ready to make massive sacrifices that no one here is prepared for.
Ready? We too fat and lazy, my dad says it's like how they used to fatten the pig before we killed him. He says the devil just fattening them up.
Most of these people over here never been in warfare, some of those countries know how to fight been in war for years, they kids know how to load rifles, shoot off those shoulder missles,
What we know how to do? play videos, LOL.
You probably mean video games, but what's your point?
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There's no credible evidence that Iran is building bombs, so Israel's and the U.S.'s threats are baseless, just like they were on Iraq.
LOL. They ain't got to build one. They gonna buy it from North Korea, or get ahold of Pakistan's. WE cut off North Korea's money along time ago, eventually they gonna get tired of being hungry, and sell it. And the money we pay Iran for oil , is gonna buy one from them to drop on Israel.
But again, G-D got Israel. He says that in His WORD!
More propaganda. Do you believe everything our gov't tells you?
We don't buy oil from Iran, btw.
And just a fyi, that Israel over there is not Biblical Israel. Hate to break it to you, but it's true. God's Israel is all those who He has called and who love him and keep His commands. They believe in Jesus Christ for salvation. That's God's Israel. They are children of Abraham, whether by adoption, or by birth, according to Galatians and Romans. That means Jews and Gentiles who trust in Jesus Christ. hm....that would be.....the church, also called Israel in the Old Testament.
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RE: U.S. cancels Fulbright grants for Gaza students - 6/9/2008 4:16:20 AM
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They are a sovereign nation. The US is very hostile to any attempt from the UN or your allies to dictate any US policy. Why should the Iranians do what the US tell them, when the US would never let Mexico or Canada dictate anything about the US nuclear arsenal?
Which is why they wouldn’t start an all out war. They would be turned into glass, and they know it. The Iranian president is not a madman, despite western rhetoric. Insane people don’t lead nations – it takes way too much intelligence to survive in the political game.
Nuking Israel would be suicide.
WormHeart
You make a good point in your first paragraph. But unfortuenately insane people DO lead nations. And sometimes with very serious consequences. Just to mention a few: Adolph Hitler (Denmark had problems with him yes?), Pol Pot, Idi Amin, military junta in Myanmar, and I am sure some others on this board came come up with a slew of others.
BTW, have you read these articles?
Ahmadinejad Calls U.S. 'Satanic,' Israel 'About to Die'
"Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad predicted that Muslims would uproot “satanic powers” and reaffirmed his prediction that the Jewish state will soon be wiped off the map, the Agence France-Presse news agency reported Monday."
Ahmadinejad: Israel Is Bearer of Satan
"The Iranian president's comments are typical of his vociferous animosity towards Israel," said David Baker, an Israeli government spokesman. "He threatens not only Israel but poses a clear and present danger to the international community as well."
Ahmadinejad has made anti-Israel comments in the past. In October he caused outrage in the West when he said in a speech that Israel's "Zionist regime should be wiped off the map."
Looks like he has suicidal tendencies and I am not talking about the LA based punk band!
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RE: U.S. cancels Fulbright grants for Gaza students - 6/9/2008 10:11:50 AM
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Well, if they were to attack say, Isreal, defeat Isreal, who do you think will be the next target? Then it is all out war, Russia, China gets involved, British, American. Total destruction. Their objective is death to infidels. Which pretty well includes most of the rest of the world. NO?
Which is why they wouldn’t start an all out war. They would be turned into glass, and they know it...
Nuking Israel would be suicide.
WormHeart
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RE: U.S. cancels Fulbright grants for Gaza students - 6/9/2008 11:35:50 AM
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I am quite sure they will defend themselves but they would not have to if they would comply and dismantle their nuclear program in the first place. I mean, who is being stubborn here?
They are a sovereign nation. The US is very hostile to any attempt from the UN or your allies to dictate any US policy. Why should the Iranians do what the US tell them, when the US would never let Mexico or Canada dictate anything about the US nuclear arsenal?
Besides – they claim they don’t make weapons in the first place. Not that it matters – they will face the same consequences regardless of the facts, so they might at well try to get them.
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Well, if they were to attack say, Isreal, defeat Isreal, who do you think will be the next target? Then it is all out war, Russia, China gets involved, British, American. Total destruction. Their objective is death to infidels. Which pretty well includes most of the rest of the world. NO?
Which is why they wouldn’t start an all out war. They would be turned into glass, and they know it. The Iranian president is not a madman, despite western rhetoric. Insane people don’t lead nations – it takes way too much intelligence to survive in the political game.
Nuking Israel would be suicide.
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Mr. Worm:
First of all, I don't care what the UN has to offer, they are our enemy in many many ways. The UN does not look out for US interest nor my personal interest. The UN is plagued with scandal and corruption, I could care less about the UN. I firmly believe the US can and still is the "Shining City on the hill." It has been our boys and ladies that have went in to many battles to save those other countries around the world from certain destruction, don't forget WW1, WW2, Korea, Viet Nam, and don't argue the symantics on Viet Nam, the American Lib's aided and emblodend the enemy during that war.
Regardless, the whole death the infidels thing, not sure where you are coming from there, since AHMEDoyeaieraeriuyaduviuarerIJAHD has made several claims of killing the infidels, and be carefull of the wikipedia references there my friend, not a reliable source for information.
Hat tip to mapachito13. Excellent point about Hitler and the like...
Oh and I just also want to say that I don't think that it is below those in power in Iran to mindlessly blow themselves to bits since history indicates that they are prone to do just that, so saying that they won't start all out war is really contrived and naive.
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RE: U.S. cancels Fulbright grants for Gaza students - 6/10/2008 12:31:06 AM
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You make a good point in your first paragraph. But unfortuenately insane people DO lead nations. And sometimes with very serious consequences. Just to mention a few: Adolph Hitler (Denmark had problems with him yes?), Pol Pot, Idi Amin, military junta in Myanmar, and I am sure some others on this board came come up with a slew of others.
I’m not sure we’re talking about the same kind of “insane” here. Hitler etc. was surely extremely cynical and megalomaniacs, but they were not insane in the “hear voices and act totally unpredictably” way. Hitler was a master propagandist – he managed to rise to power through legal means, and didn’t become a dictator until he was already elected Riechmarshal.
The really scary thing about WW2 is that Hitler was close to pull it off. So while he was certainly not “normal”, he wasn’t irrational until rather late in the war.
My point?
Iran is not a dictatorship with Ahmadinejad as the sole power. The president is elected among several candidates and he do not have the power to declare war on his own. The real power in Iran is the Ayatolla, who is apparently not interested in a conflict.
Should Ahmadinejad become suicidal, he had to infect the Ayatolla as well, *and* managed to get re-elected on a regular basis.
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BTW, have you read these articles?
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Looks like he has suicidal tendencies and I am not talking about the LA based punk band!
To me it sounds like he is doing his propaganda thing as usual. He is actually pretty good at propaganda, something that doesn’t jive with a madman.
Remember the British sailors? That was masterful. He initiated a conflict by capturing them and accusing them of spying, and just when the US was fuming and Britan had to strain their relationship, he releases them in time for Christmas unharmed.
It made him look merciful and the US look like it was looking for an excuse to go to war.
He is not irrational; he plays on the sure cards in propaganda. Stand up to the US = good ratings in the Middle East, make harsh statements about Israel = good rating in the Middle East, avoid making direct threats that could give the US an excuse = self preservation.
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RE: U.S. cancels Fulbright grants for Gaza students - 6/10/2008 12:46:40 AM
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Mr. Worm:
First of all, I don't care what the UN has to offer, they are our enemy in many many ways. The UN does not look out for US interest nor my personal interest. The UN is plagued with scandal and corruption, I could care less about the UN.
The UN is your enemy? How so?
Of course the UN doesn’t look out for specific US interest. They are not intended to do so. They are the United Nations, for crying out loud. They are supposed to look out for the common interests of all the nations.
But your statement is pretty standard. Lets try it from the Iranian perspective:
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I don't care what the US has to offer, they are our enemy in many many ways. The US does not look out for Iranian interest nor my personal interest. The US is plagued with scandal and corruption, I could care less about the US.
It still makes as much sense!
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I firmly believe the US can and still is the "Shining City on the hill." It has been our boys and ladies that have went in to many battles to save those other countries around the world from certain destruction, don't forget WW1, WW2, Korea, Viet Nam, and don't argue the symantics on Viet Nam, the American Lib's aided and emblodend the enemy during that war.
Wait, you actually think you went to all those wars just to help other people? You fought those out of self-interest! You didn’t join the fight against Hitler until you were attacked yourself!
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Regardless, the whole death the infidels thing, not sure where you are coming from there, since AHMEDoyeaieraeriuyaduviuarerIJAHD has made several claims of killing the infidels, and be carefull of the wikipedia references there my friend, not a reliable source for information.
Source? Where does he call for the killings of all infidels?
Why are they not burning the Iranian jews in the streets? Why are the estimated more than 100.000 Christians in Iran not put in death camps a long time ago?
You do realise that Iran is not the only propagandist around, no?
You don’t believe the Wikipedia reference? Ok, heres one from the BBC:
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Although Iran and Israel are bitter enemies, few know that Iran is home to the largest number of Jews anywhere in the Middle East outside Israel.
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It is not a sight you would expect in a revolutionary Islamic state, but there are synagogues dotted all over Iran where Jews discreetly practise their religion.
"Because of our long history here we are tolerated," says Jewish community leader Unees Hammami, who organised the prayers.
As a result Jews have one representative in the Iranian parliament.
Iran's proud but discreet Jews
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Oh and I just also want to say that I don't think that it is below those in power in Iran to mindlessly blow themselves to bits since history indicates that they are prone to do just that, so saying that they won't start all out war is really contrived and naive.
History indicates they are prone to commit suicide? When have they done this last time?
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RE: U.S. cancels Fulbright grants for Gaza students - 6/10/2008 10:22:32 AM
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Of course the UN doesn’t look out for specific US interest. They are not intended to do so. They are the United Nations, for crying out loud.
I need not to have to say more then. Otherwise, the UN has voted against U.S. on several of their enacted policies and it is all a political motive with the UN. The U.S. is also a sovereign nation, need I remind you, and should not be bound to the UN if they are always going to vote against us. The UN has several countries in direct violation of Human Rights that are on the Security Council. What have they done in Africa, China? Nuttin! But this isn't a forum on the lackluster abilities of the UN. It is a board on Isreal in the news. And Iran hates Isreal, and I beleive that even though AHMEDenouaeorhaodfiaoivuaoijvaefIJAHD may not have all the power in Iran, he influences many many members of his religion. It has been proven that Iran are sending men and children and bombs into Iraq and Isreal.
And then as for the "Proud but Discreet Jewish" in Iran. First of All.. if AHMEDouweorocaefaeroaeuIJAHD is sooo good at the propoganda, how do you know he isn't kiling off the jewish population? Propoganda, here in America and American Soil he admited "There are no gays in Iran" that is probably because they have systematically torchered and killed any openly gay members of their society, how do you know they aren't doing the same to the jewish? Secondly, why should the Jewish people suffering there have to be "Discreet?"
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Israel Attack on Iran 'Unavoidable': Olmert Deputy - 6/10/2008 6:38:19 PM
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Israel Attack on Iran 'Unavoidable': Olmert Deputy
An Israeli attack on Iranian nuclear sites looks "unavoidable" given the apparent failure of sanctions to deny Tehran technology with bomb-making potential, one of Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's deputies said on Friday.
"If Iran continues with its program for developing nuclear weapons, we will attack it. The sanctions are ineffective," Transport Minister Shaul Mofaz told the mass-circulation Yedioth Ahronoth newspaper.
"Attacking Iran, in order to stop its nuclear plans, will be unavoidable," said the former army chief who has also been defense minister.
Sanctions are always ineffective. Look at what happened with Iraq and then we find out that *gasp* they really didn't have WMD's and never had ties with Al Qaeda.
What happens when Iran is attacked and no plans are ever discovered for nuclear weapons? More egg on the face of the prideful nations of Israel and the U.S.
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RE: Israel Attack on Iran 'Unavoidable': Olmert Deputy - 6/11/2008 8:37:40 AM
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In a poignant letter to his family, captive soldier Gilad Shalit pleaded with Israel not to abandon him and said he was in poor health two years after Gaza militants seized him in a cross-border raid.
Did we read that? This is TWO YEARS LATER!
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RE: Israel Attack on Iran 'Unavoidable': Olmert Deputy - 6/11/2008 10:32:06 AM
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"I urge my government not to let me down,"
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In a poignant letter to his family, captive soldier Gilad Shalit pleaded with Israel not to abandon him and said he was in poor health two years after Gaza militants seized him in a cross-border raid.
Did we read that? This is TWO YEARS LATER!
"Shalit was captured by Palestinian militants in June 2006 and is believed to be held in a secret location in Gaza by Hamas, the militant Palestinian Islamist movement that has ruled the territory for a year." (quote from article)
I think Hamas has him stressing his poor health to get some sympathetic pressure on the Israeli government to cave. Hamas is dreaming if they think they are going to do that. I feel sorry for this young man who's become a mere chess piece in the eyes of Hamas AND the Israeli government. I pray that Hamas releases him even if only to try and garner positive PR points.
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RE: Israel Attack on Iran 'Unavoidable': Olmert Deputy - 7/14/2008 11:52:54 AM
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News Blackout – New York Times Ignores Momentous Pro-Jewish Court Case Win in France
July 14, 2008 at 5:14 am
-By Warner Todd Huston
French media loses big court case proving Palestinian propaganda false, New York Times ignores shocking story… Why?
France TV 2 has lost a major court case in France that makes the lie to a major piece of Palestinian propaganda. In 2000 an incident occurred in the Palestinian areas that has since been used as propaganda for the Palestinian cause all across the world and the New York Times has repeatedly been a willing host for this propaganda. Now, however, it has been proven that France 2 perpetrated a lie that has given succor to terrorism. And where is the New York Times with this momentous news that proves Israeli innocence? Nowhere to be seen.
In 2000 the Palestinians began what they called the second intifada against Israel, a kick in the teeth to the Israelis seeking only peace. During the early stages of this attack France 2 TV, a state run television station, aired what it claimed was a video of a child and his father being shot and killed by Israeli security forces.
Palestinian sources claimed that what France 2 TV showed the French public and the world was the death of 12-year-old Muhammad al-Dura and his father, killed by Israeli security forces. The shock of this small boy being mercilessly shot down by Jews drew condemnation like a lightening rod. Supporters of Palestine the world over were outraged, posters appeared, protests were whipped up, postage stamps with the image of this child’s supposed last minutes on Earth were even created in Egypt and Tunisia. The “death” of Muhammad al-Dura rallied support to Palestinians against the Jews. And for the last 8 years the New York Times has been right there with the “news” pushing the story for all its worth.
Story continues
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RE: Israel Attack on Iran 'Unavoidable': Olmert Deputy - 7/15/2008 7:43:49 AM
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News Blackout – New York Times Ignores Momentous Pro-Jewish Court Case Win in France
July 14, 2008 at 5:14 am
-By Warner Todd Huston
French media loses big court case proving Palestinian propaganda false, New York Times ignores shocking story… Why?
France TV 2 has lost a major court case in France that makes the lie to a major piece of Palestinian propaganda. In 2000 an incident occurred in the Palestinian areas that has since been used as propaganda for the Palestinian cause all across the world and the New York Times has repeatedly been a willing host for this propaganda. Now, however, it has been proven that France 2 perpetrated a lie that has given succor to terrorism. And where is the New York Times with this momentous news that proves Israeli innocence? Nowhere to be seen.
In 2000 the Palestinians began what they called the second intifada against Israel, a kick in the teeth to the Israelis seeking only peace. During the early stages of this attack France 2 TV, a state run television station, aired what it claimed was a video of a child and his father being shot and killed by Israeli security forces.
Palestinian sources claimed that what France 2 TV showed the French public and the world was the death of 12-year-old Muhammad al-Dura and his father, killed by Israeli security forces. The shock of this small boy being mercilessly shot down by Jews drew condemnation like a lightening rod. Supporters of Palestine the world over were outraged, posters appeared, protests were whipped up, postage stamps with the image of this child’s supposed last minutes on Earth were even created in Egypt and Tunisia. The “death” of Muhammad al-Dura rallied support to Palestinians against the Jews. And for the last 8 years the New York Times has been right there with the “news” pushing the story for all its worth.
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You fail to mention that the hawk, Ariel Sharon, instigated the second intifada by his visit to the temple mount that year.
Oh yeah, and everyone has known that the video was false for several years. Nothing new here.
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RE: Israel Attack on Iran 'Unavoidable': Olmert Deputy - 7/16/2008 7:44:51 AM
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You fail to mention that the hawk, Ariel Sharon, instigated the second intifada by his visit to the temple mount that year.
Theo your bias continues to amaze me.
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RE: Israel Attack on Iran 'Unavoidable': Olmert Deputy - 7/16/2008 1:18:26 PM
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You fail to mention that the hawk, Ariel Sharon, instigated the second intifada by his visit to the temple mount that year.
Theo your bias continues to amaze me.
I see that you do not dispute this. 
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RE: Israel Attack on Iran 'Unavoidable': Olmert Deputy - 7/16/2008 1:54:41 PM
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You fail to mention that the hawk, Ariel Sharon, instigated the second intifada by his visit to the temple mount that year.
Theo your bias continues to amaze me.
I see that you do not dispute this.
Could you please provide an action on Sharon's part that justifies an intifada? You seem to be sanctioning this action. An intifada flies in the face of Christianity, so, please, explain.
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/meast/10/02/israel.sharon.ap/
Last Thursday, when Sharon entered the disputed hilltop in the Old City of Jerusalem, where two mosques are built atop the ruins of the biblical Jewish Temples, there was little doubt it would raise political and religious tensions.
"A visit like that, well planned, well reported, with so much security, (had to) cause something," said Israel's dovish Justice Minister Yossi Beilin, a Sharon critic.
Muslims run the site, which they call Haram As-Sharif, though Israel has sovereignty over what they call the Temple Mount, and Jews are allowed to visit there.
I do not sanction violence. What is your view of Christianity? The decades old harsh treatment of Palestinians at the hands of people who claim to be God's chosen people?
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RE: Israel Attack on Iran 'Unavoidable': Olmert Deputy - 7/16/2008 2:05:51 PM
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I do not sanction violence. What is your view of Christianity? The decades old harsh treatment of Palestinians at the hands of people who claim to be God's chosen people?
You cannot claim that Sharon caused an intifada. The cause of it is hatred. They use whatever excuse is close to hand to kill people. It does not matter if the people are innocent or guilty. My view of Christianity is to love people, spread the gospel, and pray. You need not lay your accusations concerning the Palestinians on me. I have played no part, nor do I intend to. I know exactly how you feel about the Jewish people, but that has no bearing on an infitada except as an excuse to kill.
The smilie at the end of your post suggests a smug attitude without regard for the people who suffer at the hands of those terrorists. I do not suggest that you support them or their actions, but your posts are ignoring the slaughter. I understand that you are going to say how sad it is that the Palestinians are undergoing the same thing, but that does not enter into this discussion. My part of this discussion is relegated solely to justification for slaughter derived from a "justified" intifada. Think about it. If someone burns your church down, do you have the right to kill them? That is the base justification that they are using without the physical damage to the facility.
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RE: Israel Attack on Iran 'Unavoidable': Olmert Deputy - 7/16/2008 2:20:42 PM
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