RE: On The Down Low - Solid State Amps and the Men Who Love Them
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RE: On The Down Low - Solid State Amps and the Men Who ... - 8/27/2007 11:26:17 PM
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_MavericK_
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A dropped d is a db???? wow, no one ever bothered to tell me that before. I thought it was a D. Mostly cause I hear people refer to a dropped Db. That's why I thought G was on the fifth. Yuck...
No, in drop D, the lowest string is tuned to a D. But the chord you're playing has a Db note in it:
E--3-- (G)
B--2-- (Db)
G--x--
D--x--
A--x--
D--5-- (G)
Db and C# are two labels for the same note. Which label to use is determined by the context in which the note is used - what note serves as the root of the chord. If the chord has an A as the root (which I initially thought), then the proper label is 'C#', but if the chord has a G in the root (as it does in this case), then the proper label is 'Db'.
-Dan.
LOL thanx...
Ugh... I hate sounding like a noobie...
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RE: Guitarists' Corner - 8/28/2007 11:51:27 AM
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D A D G B E - that is proper drop D tuning.
It is similar to one Phil Keaggy uses a lot - DADGAD - but the chords are closer to regular tuning positions.
Anyone know why drop D tuning has gotten such a bad rap from parts of the evangelical community? Drop tunings of various instruments has been around since at least the 1600s......
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RE: Guitarists' Corner - 8/28/2007 10:17:49 PM
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Anyone know why drop D tuning has gotten such a bad rap from parts of the evangelical community?
I wasn't aware that it had.
I'd guess that it's just more ignorant people spouting off about subjects they don't understand.
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RE: Guitarists' Corner (drop D tuning) - 8/30/2007 2:37:05 PM
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D A D G B E - that is proper drop D tuning.
It is similar to one Phil Keaggy uses a lot - DADGAD - but the chords are closer to regular tuning positions.
Anyone know why drop D tuning has gotten such a bad rap from parts of the evangelical community? Drop tunings of various instruments has been around since at least the 1600s......
Because it is of the Devil!!! Or that's what some may want you to think. The only reason I can think of is that the tuning has somehow become associated with certain bands which are considered to be antithetical to a Christian world view. But I would say that this may be an issue for a very small minority within the body as I have never heard any minister or church actually speak out against a particular tuning.
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RE: Guitarists' Corner (drop D tuning) - 8/30/2007 4:31:56 PM
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I use drop D alot in worship music leading and have never been aware of anyone having a problem with it. In fact most people come up and ask me how I "make that song sound so cool".
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RE: Guitarists' Corner (drop D tuning) - 8/31/2007 1:09:27 PM
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It has only been recently (last 2 years) that I have heard the flak about drop tuning. I have used it since the middle 70s. CCM pioneer Paul Clark used it back then too. (Latter Rain on his 3rd record: Come Into His Presence-1974)
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RE: Guitarists' Corner (drop D tuning) - 8/31/2007 1:37:46 PM
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So what's the beef against drop D? Sounds like a "Bible Belt" thing? I reckon it's a bit easier to be a musician on the west coast maybe.
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RE: Guitarists' Corner (drop D tuning) - 8/31/2007 10:09:11 PM
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Drop "D" - as in DEVIL!!!!
Really, I don't know. I think it's probably because a lot of bands use(d) it.
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RE: Guitarists' Corner (drop D tuning) - 8/31/2007 10:28:32 PM
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So what's the beef against drop D? Sounds like a "Bible Belt" thing? I reckon it's a bit easier to be a musician on the west coast maybe.
It's funny. I've read at least a handful of threads asking what it's like to live in the "godless" big cities. I live just outside of Boston (and love it), but am contemplating a move to Nashville, and I dread the thought of having to put up with what I see in my head as the "Bible Belt crowd."
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RE: Guitarists' Corner - 8/31/2007 10:32:18 PM
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D A D G B E - that is proper drop D tuning.
It is similar to one Phil Keaggy uses a lot - DADGAD - but the chords are closer to regular tuning positions.
Anyone know why drop D tuning has gotten such a bad rap from parts of the evangelical community? Drop tunings of various instruments has been around since at least the 1600s......
Beats me. Basically every song I write uses dropped D. I like the tone 
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RE: On The Down Low - Solid State Amps and the Men Who ... - 8/31/2007 10:33:33 PM
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They shut down free tab sites?????? You're kidding?????!!!
Unfortunately it is true. ...
No loss as far as I'm concerned. Much of the tab on the internet is next to impossible to figure out or all wrong to begin with. I'll stick with Mel Bay.
The argument over copyrights has been going on since day one.
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RE: Software for recording via PC - 9/2/2007 12:35:02 AM
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I am entertaining the thought of getting software so I can use my PC for recording. Does anyone do this and, if so, what do you use? What would you advise for a newbie? What do I need, what should I avoid?
It will be mostly instrumental stuff at first, so I can learn before diving into it. I'll be running my Strat through a PODxt Live, if that helps.
I also use the Pod xt Live, and have had good success with Rifftracker, by Sonoma Wire Works, available from the Line 6 Site. I used it for all the tunes on my MyCCM.Org profile. Give a listen if you like, and see what you think!
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RE: Guitarists' Corner - 9/3/2007 1:06:02 AM
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Phil Keaggy
Who is awesome, by the way.
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RE: Guitarists' Corner (drop D tuning) - 9/4/2007 6:28:35 AM
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I have been doing a web search and am coming up pretty empty on the whole drop D thing. It probably is a carryover of someone (like Bill Gothard) teaching that God only allows certain musical forms. Gothard eschewed minor keys, "altered" chords, back-beat and anything that sounds like Rock, Blues, Jazz, etc.
This was being said rather loudly a couple of years ago. Apparently everyone saw how silly it was and dropped it.
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RE: Guitarists' Corner - 9/4/2007 10:07:28 PM
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LOL hey, Randy! Haven't seen you here before. Welcome to the best thread idea I ever had!
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RE: Guitarists' Corner - 9/5/2007 9:22:28 AM
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Phil Keaggy Who is awesome, by the way. Who is an aquaintance of mine, by the way. Every time I go to a concert (even in different parts of the country) he recognizes me and says hi.
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RE: Guitarists' Corner - 9/9/2007 3:23:07 AM
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OK lets try something else.
After years of using a boss GT-3 (and before that it was the Boss ME10) I'm considering going for a proper valve head, maybe a JCM800 or a TSL.
The GT-3 would be relegated to the effects loop, and used only for the effects.
What do people think about tube amps? Are they the ultimate in tone? Or do solid state amps work just fine? Dimebag Darrell (RIP) seemed to like 'em.
And can this be done without blowing the roof off the church, and still getting a decent tone?
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RE: Guitarists' Corner - 9/9/2007 8:17:38 AM
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What do people think about tube amps? Are they the ultimate in tone? Or do solid state amps work just fine? Dimebag Darrell (RIP) seemed to like 'em.
And can this be done without blowing the roof off the church, and still getting a decent tone?
No amp is the ultimate in tone, but yeah, tube amps generally do sound better.
Yes it can be done w/o blowing the doors off the church. There are plenty of great sounding low-watt amps out there. There are also power attenuators which can allow you to run the tubes at full-bore, but not produce a lot of volume.
-Dan.
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RE: Guitarists' Corner - 9/9/2007 11:36:58 AM
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I used to use a couple of Fender Bullet 15 amps (like an idiot I sold them when I needed some money) when I'd play in church. Those little tubes melted perfectly into awesome tone at low volumes.
BTW: If anyone knows of the whereabouts of one of these amps, I'd love to get a hold of one again.
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RE: On The Down Low - Solid State Amps and the Men Who ... - 9/11/2007 9:34:46 AM
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There are good solid state amps out there. No solid state will get the same tube sound (as we all know) but I tend to look at things differently then most. Most people, when they say they want good tone, mean they want tube tone (which is usually good). I want good tone and it doesn't matter where I go to get it. You can get a good solid state head and then a stomp-like tube pre-amp. I have found that with this you can achieve good tone at lower volumes and still get very close to an all tube sound.
Here's something else I have found. I am not a tech-driven player and I have spent 99% of my playing life with analog effects. Recently, I got a PODxt Live in an effort to simplify my gear. You have to spend time with it, you have to tweak it, but you can get good tone from it. I'm running mine through a Randall RX120D head (into a Randall 4x12 cab) and an Ibanez T225 2x10 (to get the most out of the stereo effects) and by using the Plexi and Blckface settings I can get nice warm tone. You can even mix and match heads and cabs (a Plexi head with a Bassman cab) and get great sounds. You can also bypass the amp modeling and only run the effects. You can find them on e-bay for about $250 USD or go to Musicians Friend and they are $399 USD new.
Even if you buy one new, it sure beats the heck out of, IMHO, buying one head or complete rig. If you haven't tried one you really should. There's too much about it to put here. Go to Line 6's site and you can watch some clips on it and hear some sample sounds. I'm very happy with mine.
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RE: On The Down Low - Solid State Amps and the Men Who ... - 9/11/2007 10:52:38 AM
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Yep. The Pod is a good little item. Don't have one myself because still for the style of music I play, I wouldn't use it enough.
There's the key: the style you're playing.
I play rockabilly music so I go with the old Gretsch, 1959 Bassman, EchoPlex (best slapback echo ever) although I will use a Boss Digital sometimes when I don't want to carry the EchoPlex around.
I also play surf music so I go with a Jazzmaster, Dual Showman Reverb, Tube Reverb unit for super wet reverb.
Back in the day when I was playing strictly punk I could pretty much use anything at hand and get the tone I wanted out of it. I even found some solid state amps I liked. My main problem with solid state is that they just didn't last long for the money and when you wanted to get them repaired it was typical for the parts to not be available anymore so you were out of luck.
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