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RE: ANTICHRIST - 5/14/2007 8:48:43 AM
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1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
There are many antichrists in the world and have been since John wrote the only 4 verses in the Bible containing the word. Your neighbor who is atheist is antichrist, muslims, budhists, hindies etc... are all antichrists, no reason to be looking for a single antichrist when there are literally billions. I am more concerned about the beast (kingdom) that consist of well over a billion antichrist and growing stronger by the day!
For a better understanding of 666 beast and man of sin see these threads:
666 http://forums.christianity.com/666_and_Islam_-_The_Mark_of_the_Beast/m_2309073/tm.htm
beast http://forums.christianity.com/fb.aspx?m=2288125
Man of sin http://forums.christianity.com/That_Man_of_Sin_the_Son_of_Perdition/m_2291614/tm.htm
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RE: ANTICHRIST - 5/14/2007 11:17:21 AM
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LISTEN people!! Many say that you shouldn't speculate about when Jesus will return. But the bible says no man knows the DAY or the HOUR, but even Jesus warns to discern the signs of the times. Also, Revelations says "LET HIM who hath understanding RECOGNIZE the number of the beast - for it is of human number..." This is a message from God himself that if we are wise we CAN recognize who the antichrist will potentially be. Also, in the U.N. congregating room right now there are numbered seats for all the members. Seat #666 is and has been vacant, even though all other seats are assigned names, even almost to seat #680 - you can check this on the internet yourself - the names of each nationality occupying that particular seat are listed. My educated OPINION is that the antichrist could be a U.N. secretary-general or president of one of its sessions, as this would be a suitable platform for him to appear on, regardless of what nationality he be from. Keep the faith people and don't let differences of opinion separate and divide us! And if you're going to speculate you should have some biblical basis and grounds for your opinions. There are some real crackpot theories out there, but God's word and spirit is the only thing that can help us to understand if we look and study enough.
You cannot find any proof for your claim about seat 666 being vacant. That claim has been made before in these threads and the only references are circular ones leading to Ian Paisley. He makes the claim and gives no evidence.
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RE: ANTICHRIST - 5/17/2007 3:06:37 PM
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.As for Mohammed.He claimed that Jesus is the Christ.
No, Muhammed did not believe Jesus was the Christ. He believed Jesus was a Muslim prophet, and nothing more. The Koran teaches that God does not have a son.
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RE: ANTICHRIST - 5/17/2007 3:15:03 PM
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Do you really think that God is going to dwell on a physical throne, in a physical earthly temple, that was built by the hands of men, forever? That this is how He will be "with men"? And He will dwell "with them"? Do you really believe that this means that all mankind will be physically sitting around some earthly throne in some earthly rebuilt temple?
No one actually believes God will dwell in the third temple except the Jews. Christians simply see the Jews as building a temple of God where it used to be. But God is no longer dwelling in temples, so no...he won't be there. Or at least I wouldn't suspect he would be.
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RE: ANTICHRIST - 5/23/2007 6:47:32 AM
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Except the antichrist was probrably the Gnostics, that John was reffering to in 1John as, they believed Jesus was God (which is true) and did not die on the cross as a man as well which is blasphemy.
This is different from the beast and the son of perdition (who is Satan) who come at a later date and set up the abomination of desolation.
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RE: ANTICHRIST - 5/23/2007 4:01:32 PM
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2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;[/color]
First note that whoever it is, he will be revealed. I ask you, is satan hidden now? All Christians know about him. Next, note what else Paul called this man: "the son of perdition." Can you find one other scripture where satan is called either the "man of sin," or the "son of perdition?"
We see that it was Judas that was also called "the son of perdition." Why then, would anyone believe that the "son of perdition," or the "man of sin" is satan himself? That is just goofy.
The verse involving the son of perdition does indeed discuss Judas.
So based on what you wrote do we presume that you believe that the 2 Thess that "man of sin", the "son of perdition", sitting in the temple of God, is all over and done with, since Judas is dead?
Alternatively are we to believe that God is to resurrect Judas into Judas physical body, to sitteth in your rebuilt temple, and act out your end time play?
Ok so what you guys are saying here is that Christ wont return until Judas is revealed? Now THAT IS goofy.....I mean why not just pick a name out the air, since the term "Man of Sin" is utilized. It could be me Paul was talking about...After all I am a man, and I do sin. In order to think its Judas Paul is referring to, you must ignore the context of the chapter, which is, THE RETURN OF CHRIST.
No matter how you spin it, the man of sin, the son of perdition Paul refers to here is in fact Satan.
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RE: ANTICHRIST - 5/23/2007 4:17:47 PM
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LISTEN people!! Many say that you shouldn't speculate about when Jesus will return. But the bible says no man knows the DAY or the HOUR, but even Jesus warns to discern the signs of the times. Also, Revelations says "LET HIM who hath understanding RECOGNIZE the number of the beast - for it is of human number..." This is a message from God himself that if we are wise we CAN recognize who the antichrist will potentially be. Also, in the U.N. congregating room right now there are numbered seats for all the members. Seat #666 is and has been vacant, even though all other seats are assigned names, even almost to seat #680 - you can check this on the internet yourself - the names of each nationality occupying that particular seat are listed. My educated OPINION is that the antichrist could be a U.N. secretary-general or president of one of its sessions, as this would be a suitable platform for him to appear on, regardless of what nationality he be from. Keep the faith people and don't let differences of opinion separate and divide us! And if you're going to speculate you should have some biblical basis and grounds for your opinions. There are some real crackpot theories out there, but God's word and spirit is the only thing that can help us to understand if we look and study enough.
You cannot find any proof for your claim about seat 666 being vacant. That claim has been made before in these threads and the only references are circular ones leading to Ian Paisley. He makes the claim and gives no evidence.
First off, Rev says the number is six hundred, three score, and six, or 600, 60 & 6. These are all free standing numbers with individual biblical meaning. 600 Denotes warfare, 60 denotes pride, and 6 denotes mankind as a whole...Furthermore It is a spiritual mark that will be IN the forehead, or on the hand. There are millions today that carry the mark already.
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RE: ANTICHRIST - 5/27/2007 3:17:02 AM
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]The anti christ is non other than satan himself
Antichrist: Greek word #500 antichristos (an-tee'-khris-tos); from #473 and #5547; an opponent of the Messiah: KJV-- antichrist.
Anti: Greek word #473 anti (an-tee'); a primary particle; opposite, i.e. instead or because of (rarely in addition to): KJV-- for, in the room of. Often used in composition to denote contrast, requital, substitution, correspondence, etc.
Christ: Greek word #5547 Christos (khris-tos'); from 5548; anointed, i.e. the Messiah, an epithet of Jesus: KJV-- Christ
satan will come to earth pretending to be christ,he is the second beast of Rev who heals the first beast,which is the one world political system
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RE: ANTICHRIST - 5/27/2007 3:26:12 AM
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Satan has many many names, I could pull at least 10 off the top of my head and probably another 4-5 with some searching. These names are ‘roles’ of the same one entity. You remember in (Rev chpt.17) where it is talking about satan and his many roles, but it is the same one entity:
Rev 17:9-11
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. (KJV)
Who is the only one by name that has already been judged to perdition? Satan is:
Ezek 28:18-19
18 Thou [king of Tyrus - satan] hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more. [perished completely, perdition] (KJV)
Satan is the king of Babylon: "MYSTERY BABYLON" {Rev 17:5}. Look at it this way, Jesus has many names and roles but there is only one Jesus Christ (“Bread of Life”, “Lamb slain”, “King of kings and Lord of lords”, ...). And in (Rev chpt. 2 &3), in the preface to each message to the seven churches we see different names and roles for Jesus. Well, for every positive in the Word of God there is a negative.
Let’s follow satan through the end times and observe the destruction of him one role at a time until there is nothing left - perished, the son of perdition.
Rev 19:14-20
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. [This is the Second Advent]
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
19 And I saw the beast [2nd beast of (Rev 13:11) antichrist], and the kings of the earth [1st beast of (Rev 13:1-3). The one world political/religious luciferian system (NWO)], and their armies, gathered together to make war against him [Jesus] that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast [1st beast of (Rev 13:1-3). The one world political/religious luciferian system (NWO)] was taken, and with him the false prophet [2nd beast of (Rev 13:11) antichrist] that wrought miracles before him [‘It’ In the Greek language (the original language of the New Testament), he, she, and it are all the same word, the value of the word comes from the context of the passage], with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. [from this point on, satan no longer has the cover of appearing as the impostor christ antichrist. And he does not have his one-world system either] (KJV)
You have to remember, at Jesus Christ’s return at His Second Advent, all are changed into spiritual bodies. That has happened in our above Scripture.
The next event regarding satan is his binding in the Bottomless Pit for the Millennium (1000 year period):
Rev 20:2-3
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. (KJV)
After the Millennium, satan is released for a short time and then he is completely destroyed in the Lake of Fire by God Himself.
Rev 20:10
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (KJV)
Satan is now almost altogether gone, he still has one more role to die, that being ‘death’, for death is one of satan’s many many names:
Heb 2:14
14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil (KJV)
Ok, then after Judgment Day, even death is destroyed:
Rev 20:14
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. (KJV)
The Lake of Fire is used as metaphor for complete and total irreversible destruction, it isn’t a literal lake somewhere, it is the final sentence for the wicked, both wicked souls and wicked things, for all that offends shall be cast into the Lake of Fire.
And we have seen the one-world political system cast into the Lake of Fire, as well as several of satan’s roles. Flesh and blood cannot be cast into the Lake of Fire, for none enter therein until after Judgment Day. On Judgment Day all are in spiritual bodies. The Lake of Fire is what people commonly think they refer to when they say “hell”, but hell is a very misunderstood thing. Hell is not an eternal torture chamber, but an eternal blotting out. “Hell” so-called (the Lake of Fire) is the death of a soul, which is the second death. (I say “hell, so-called”, because in the Bible the word hell actually means the grave and/or the smoldering garbage pit outside of Jerusalem. It does paint the picture for us though, does it not?):
Rev 20:14
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. (KJV)
You remember that there are two bodies within each of us, a flesh body and a spiritual body. The flesh body dies in the first death, and the spiritual body dies in the second (if you don’t overcome).
1 Cor 15:44
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. (KJV)
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RE: ANTICHRIST - 5/27/2007 3:30:32 AM
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Here are the many name of satan
The Bible calls Satan by many different names. Each name has a slightly different meaning. The many other names for Satan give a fuller picture of who Satan is and what he does. There are more names for Satan in the Bible than for anyone else except Jesus Christ.
Abaddon
Hebrew name for Satan meaning “Destruction”. “And they had as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, but in Greek he has the name Apollyon.” Revelation 9:11
Accuser
“Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, ‘Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down.’” Revelation 12:10
Adversary
“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.” 1 Peter 5:8
Angel of light
“And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.” 2 Corinthians 11:14
Angel of the bottomless pit
“And they had as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, but in Greek he has the name Apollyon.” Revelation 9:11
Antichrist
“And every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.” 1 John 4:3
Apollyon
Greek name for Satan meaning “Destroyer”. “And they had as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, but in Greek he has the name Apollyon.” Revelation 9:11
Beast
“9 Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, ‘If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.’” Revelation 14:9,10 Who is the beast?
Beelzebub
“Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, ‘This fellow does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons.’” Matthew 12:24
Belial
“And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever?” 2 Corinthians 6:15
Deceiver
“So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.” Revelation 12:9
Devil
“He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.” 1 John 3:8
Dragon
“So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.” Revelation 12:9
Enemy
“The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels.” Matthew 13:39
Evil one
“I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one.” John 17:15
Father of lies
“You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.” John 8:44
God of this age
“Whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.” 2 Corinthians 4:4
King of Babylon
“That you will take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say: ‘How the oppressor has ceased, The golden city ceased!’” Isaiah 14:4
King of the bottomless pit
“And they had as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, but in Greek he has the name Apollyon.” Revelation 9:11
King of Tyre
"Son of man, take up a lamentation for the king of Tyre, and say to him, 'Thus says the Lord GOD: "You were the seal of perfection, Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.”’” Ezekiel 28:12
Lawless one
“8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.” 2 Thessalonians 2:8-10
Leviathan
“In that day the LORD with His severe sword, great and strong,
Will punish Leviathan the fleeing serpent,
Leviathan that twisted serpent;
And He will slay the reptile that is in the sea.” Isaiah 27:1
Liar
“You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.” John 8:44
Little horn
“ 9 And out of one of them came a little horn which grew exceedingly great toward the south, toward the east, and toward the Glorious Land. 10 And it grew up to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and some of the stars to the ground, and trampled them. 11 He even exalted himself as high as the Prince of the host; and by him the daily sacrifices were taken away, and the place of His sanctuary was cast down.” Daniel 8:9-11
Lucifer
"12 How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer, son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!
13 For you have said in your heart:
'I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.'” Isaiah 14:12-14
Man of sin
“3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.” 2 Thessalonians 2:3,4
Murderer
“44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.” John 8:44
Power of darkness
“13 He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, 14 in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins.” Colossians 1:13, 14
Prince of the power of the air
“1 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience.” Ephesians 2:1,2
Roaring lion
“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.” 1 Peter 5:8
Rulers of the darkness
“For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.” Ephesians 6:12
Ruler of demons
“But some of them said, ‘He casts out demons by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons.’” Luke 11:15
Ruler of this world
“31 Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out. 32 And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself.” John 12:31,32
Satan
“And He was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted by Satan, and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered to Him.” Mark 1:13
Serpent of old
“So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.” Revelation 12:9
Son of perdition
“3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.” 2 Thessalonians 2:3,4
Star
“Then the fifth angel sounded: And I saw a star fallen from heaven to the earth. To him was given the key to the bottomless pit.” Revelation 9:1
Tempter
“Now when the tempter came to Him, he said, ‘If You are the Son of God, command that these stones become bread.’” Matthew 4:3
Thief
“The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.” John 10:10
Wicked one
“Above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one.” Ephesians 6:16
This list of names for Satan has been taken from the New King James Version of the Bible.
There may be other names for Satan in the Bible. Please send me an email if you know of a name for Satan that I have missed.
Very soon Satan will leave the spirit world that he has lived in for thousands of years. He will become visible to us and will claim that he is God. The Bible calls him the beast.
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RE: ANTICHRIST - 5/27/2007 8:48:50 AM
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As Christians we are Christ-like, but we aren't Christ. Same thing with antichrist ... many have a spirit of antichrist, but only one antichrist. We have Father, Son, Holy Spirit. They have satan, the antichrist and the false prophet.
We have the Holy Trinity. They have the evil trinity. "The" antichrist is only one person.
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RE: ANTICHRIST - 5/27/2007 9:09:04 AM
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]The anti christ is non other than satan himself
Antichrist: Greek word #500 antichristos (an-tee'-khris-tos); from #473 and #5547; an opponent of the Messiah: KJV-- antichrist.
Anti: Greek word #473 anti (an-tee'); a primary particle; opposite, i.e. instead or because of (rarely in addition to): KJV-- for, in the room of. Often used in composition to denote contrast, requital, substitution, correspondence, etc.
Christ: Greek word #5547 Christos (khris-tos'); from 5548; anointed, i.e. the Messiah, an epithet of Jesus: KJV-- Christ
satan will come to earth pretending to be christ,he is the second beast of Rev who heals the first beast,which is the one world political system
According to scripture anyone that denies Jesus is the Christ is antichrist. Here are the only 4 verses in the Bible that contain the word;
1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
John told us there are many antichrists and they were already in the world when he wrote those 4 verses. There are literally billions of antichrists in todays world, muslisms, budhists, hindies, atheists, the non believing neighbor and the list goes on.
Personally I am more worried about the beast (scripture tells us a beast is a kingdom) of Revelation whose citizenry consists of well over a billion antichrists, then I am any single antichrist.
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As Christians we are Christ-like, but we aren't Christ. Same thing with antichrist ... many have a spirit of antichrist, but only one antichrist. We have Father, Son, Holy Spirit. They have satan, the antichrist and the false prophet.
We have the Holy Trinity. They have the evil trinity. "The" antichrist is only one person.
Would you be so kind as to show which one of the only 4 verses that have the word antichrist in them says that there is only one antichrist?
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RE: ANTICHRIST - 5/28/2007 7:52:03 AM
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Midwest, the 4 scriptures don't mention one antichrist. They speak of those people who deny Jesus Christ, of which there are many. We probably know some with an antichrist spirit. Scripture is warning us of those people.
In the end, only one antichrist will stand in the Temple and proclaim himself to be God. He will be satan's right hand man.
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RE: ANTICHRIST - 5/28/2007 8:15:56 AM
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2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
First note that whoever it is, he will be revealed. I ask you, is satan hidden now? All Christians know about him. Next, note what else Paul called this man: "the son of perdition." Can you find one other scripture where satan is called either the "man of sin," or the "son of perdition?"
We see that it was Judas that was also called "the son of perdition." Why then, would anyone believe that the "son of perdition," or the "man of sin" is satan himself? That is just goofy.
The verse involving the son of perdition does indeed discuss Judas.
So based on what you wrote do we presume that you believe that the 2 Thess that "man of sin", the "son of perdition", sitting in the temple of God, is all over and done with, since Judas is dead?
Alternatively are we to believe that God is to resurrect Judas into Judas physical body, to sitteth in your rebuilt temple, and act out your end time play?
Ok so what you guys are saying here is that Christ wont return until Judas is revealed? Now THAT IS goofy.....I mean why not just pick a name out the air, since the term "Man of Sin" is utilized. It could be me Paul was talking about...After all I am a man, and I do sin. In order to think its Judas Paul is referring to, you must ignore the context of the chapter, which is, THE RETURN OF CHRIST.
No matter how you spin it, the man of sin, the son of perdition Paul refers to here is in fact Satan.
Are you quite sure of this? I brought up Judas simply because he is the only other man called in the bible, the "man of sin." Why would you even think that when Paul said "man of sin," it could be Satan? Man is man, and Satan is the ancient dragon. Man lives in the physical world, and Satan in the spiritual realm. If you will study, Satan entered into Judas. It seems quite likely then, since Paul called him the "man of sin," that Satan will also enter into him. Paul's "man of sin," is the same entity as the first "beast" of Rev. chapter 13. One verse will show that the beast is not Satan.
Revelation 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
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RE: ANTICHRIST - 5/28/2007 9:34:28 AM
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Midwest, the 4 scriptures don't mention one antichrist. They speak of those people who deny Jesus Christ, of which there are many. We probably know some with an antichrist spirit. Scripture is warning us of those people.
In the end, only one antichrist will stand in the Temple and proclaim himself to be God. He will be satan's right hand man.
I believe you are referring to these verses;
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
So let me ask you a question, how will the antichrist sit in you if you are the temple of God? As these verses tell us:
1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are
2Co 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
This website does an excellent job explaining who the man of sin is: Man of Sin
Here are the only 8 verses in the New Testament that contain the phrase temple of God;
Mat 21:12 And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,
Mat 26:61 And said, This fellow said, I am able to destroy the temple of God, and to build it in three days.
1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
2Co 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Rev 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
None of these verses say a new temple will be built, to say a new temple will be built is an afront to the perfect sacrifice Jesus made when He died on the cross and was resurected, making the body of the believer the temple of God.
In an effort to stay on topic and not derail this thread, if you would like to discuss the man of sin let's go to this thread: Man of Sin
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RE: ANTICHRIST - 5/28/2007 11:56:07 PM
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In the end, only one antichrist will stand in the Temple and proclaim himself to be God. He will be satan's right hand man.
the anti christ will not be satans right hand man,he is satan
Let me show you when he is coming
Revelation 12:7 "And there was war in heaven: Mi'-cha-el and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,,"
Revelation 12:8 "And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven."
This is the time of the sounding of the fifth trumpet, when Satan and his fallen angels are released upon the earth for the final five months period, spoken of in Revelation 9:5, 10. Satan will spend five months here on earth deceiving all mankind, then go to the pit for the thousand years. After that thousand years, Satan [not his fallen angels] will be released for a short period, then go to perdition [perish]. Once Satan is kicked out of heaven, he will not be allowed to return. Today Satan is in heaven accusing the saints before the Lord.
Revelation 12:9 "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Sa'-tan, which deceived the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."
If you were ever confused who Satan is, John calls him by the names he used while playing his different roles on earth. The "dragon" is Satan's role in that first earth age, when one third of all of God's children followed him. Satan's evil spirit is allowed on earth now, along with his demons. However, you haven't seen Satan in person yet. Satan and his angels, both physically and bodily, will come to earth just as they did in Genesis 6.
satan will be the rider of the first white horse
Revelation 6:2 "And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer."
This one who rode on the white horse had a bow, but without arrows. He had the authority, but not the strength to back up his authority. What strength that he did have, was through deception. The rider of the white horse is Satan, in the role of the Antichrist. Satan will come first as the fake Christ, the Antichrist; and he will ride and conquer the people of the entire earth.
This first seal we will see in detail in the ninth chapter. It takes place after the fifth trumpet sounds, Satan is the first morning star to come. This event will catch many Christians off-guard, for many tie themselves to the '"rapture doctrine", and will worship the Antichrist as the true Christ, in ignorance. This is why the rapture doctrine is so dangerous, for it ties its followers to the first Christ to come, who is the Antichrist.
The rider of this white horse is not the rider of the white horse who comes with a rainbow around his head, and a rainbow around the throne he leaves. This "bow" in the Greek is a cheap fabric, or imitation, In the Greek it's called "toxon". His grandeur will be cheap, yet convincing all of those who are looking for the rider of the "first horse" to fly them out of here. The Antichrist will offer them all they desire in fulfilling their wishes.
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"bow" - 5115 toxon (tox'-on); from the base of 5088; a bow (apparently as the simplest fabric): KJV-- bow.
satan will appear here on earth, live and in person,him and his angels.The problem is that he comes as an angel of light which is how he will decieve the whole world.Many people think he will come as all that is evil,but that could'nt be further from the truth
II Corinthians 11:14 "And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light."
Satan is coming disguised as an "angel of light", and the true "Angel of Light" is Jesus Christ. He is coming disguised as the Savior, and that is what this warning of Paul's is all about. Paul doesn't want you seduced by Satan spiritually, like many of the virgins of Christ will be. This is from the very parable that Christ put forth
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RE: ANTICHRIST - 5/29/2007 10:32:32 AM
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In the end, only one antichrist will stand in the Temple and proclaim himself to be God. He will be satan's right hand man.
the anti christ will not be satans right hand man,he is satan
It would be nice to see some scripture for this. However, since it is only an unproven theory, finding scripture will be exceedingly dificult. Paul called this man: the "man of sin." What part of "man" can possibly be likened to Satan. One, man, lives in a physical world, the other in the realm of the spirit.
A carefull reading of chapters 12, all about the Dragon who is Satan, and chapter 13, which is about the beast, or Paul's "man of sin," will show that they are not the same entity. Chapter 17 shows us that this beast is a king, the eighth king, after the seven. Daniel shows us that he is the eleventh king that will conquer three, again, making him the eighth. He is not the devil, for John shows us that this beast, along with the false prophet, will be cast into the lake of fire, LONG before Satan is cast in.
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Let me show you when he is coming
Revelation 12:7 "And there was war in heaven: Mi'-cha-el and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,,"
Revelation 12:8 "And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven."
This is the time of the sounding of the fifth trumpet, when Satan and his fallen angels are released upon the earth for the final five months period, spoken of in Revelation 9:5, 10. Satan will spend five months here on earth deceiving all mankind, then go to the pit for the thousand years.
There will be war in heaven - that goes without question. However, John shows this war taking place right at the midpoint of the week, NOT at the fifth trumpet, which will be sounded some time during the first 3 1/2 years. For the readers, please note that in chapters 11-13, we find five different mentions of the 3 1/2 years, some as 1260 days, and some as 42 months. Each one of these are mentioned with an event that will begin at the midpoint of the week, and go to the end of the week. An example would be the two witnesses. They show up very near the midpoint of the week, and then witness for the last 1260 days, ending their testimony 3 1/2 days before the last day of the 70th week. Each of these five mentions of the 3 1/2 years are CLUES that John is at the midpoint of the week in his narrative. Added to these proofs, are the two verses showing the people fleeing into the wilderness. Why are they fleeing? Jesus told them to flee, when they see the abomination event. This shows us that the abomination took place in chapter 11.
RightTheWrong seems to be adding more wrong, rather than "righting" anything. Readers, read carefully:
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This is the time of the sounding of the fifth trumpet, when Satan and his fallen angels are released upon the earth for the final five months period, spoken of in Revelation 9:5, 10. Satan will spend five months here on earth deceiving all mankind, then go to the pit for the thousand years
So let's look at these two verses, and see what John tells us:
9:5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.
This is speaking of the little beasties (locusts) that have stings in their tails. They have one purpose: to torment those that are not sealed by God. This will take place somewhere during the first half of the 70th week. We KNOW this, because the midpoint is in chapter 11, "clearly marked" by the 7th trumpet. The start of the 70th week is "clearly marked" by the 7th seal, and the end of the week is "clearly marked" by the 7th vial. Therefore, the 5th trumpet will be sounded somewhere about the 35th month into the first 42 months of the week (guessing that each trumpet lasts about 5 months, with a two month reprieve to see if men repent.) The five months tell us that these beasties, the locusts, will torment men for five months. This has nothing at all to do with Satan! I suppose that this idea came from these verses:
Rev 9
1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
Do we read anything here about Satan, the great dragon of chapter 12? No. In fact, we read in chapter 12, that Satan is cast down from the heavenlies, NOT cast up out of the pit! He is not there! No, if we read carefully, the pit is opened and smoke containing the locusts came out of the pit. John is very clear about what came out, and Satan was NOT written here.
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After that thousand years, Satan [not his fallen angels] will be released for a short period, then go to perdition [perish]. Once Satan is kicked out of heaven, he will not be allowed to return. Today Satan is in heaven accusing the saints before the Lord.
And he will be in heaven, when the 5th trumpet is sounded. It will not be until the midpoint, at the 7th trumpet, that he will be cast down to earth. When is he bound up in the pit? Not until JOhn shows us: chapter 20. This is after the 70th week has closed, and after Jesus has returned to earth, and after the battle of Armageddon. Why then, would anyone think that he is locked in the pit at the 5th trumpet? How long will Satan be allowed to deceive, once he is cast down at the midpoint? Again, John's chronology tell us: if he is cast down at the midpoint, he will roam the earth for the last 42 months - the same 42 months that the beast has authority - and then the time added to that 42 months, up until he is chained up in chapter 20. This may be hours, days or weeks after Jesus has returned to earth.
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satan will be the rider of the first white horse
Revelation 6:2 "And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer."
This one who rode on the white horse had a bow, but without arrows. He had the authority, but not the strength to back up his authority. What strength that he did have, was through deception. The rider of the white horse is Satan, in the role of the Antichrist. Satan will come first as the fake Christ, the Antichrist; and he will ride and conquer the people of the entire earth.
It seems clear that RightTheWrong does not recognize the timing of this white horse. John makes it clear to the diligent student, that the first seals were broken as soon as Jesus asended to heaven, after having risen from the dead. That would make the first seal, and the white horse, sent out about 33 AD! Next, God used white to represent righteousness, from Genesis to maps in the back. John used white about 16 times, just in Revelation, always to represent righteousness. Now RightTheWrong would have us believe that just this once, God would use white to represent evil. I can tell you, this would go totally against the charactor of God. No, white here is to represent righteousness. The horse is used to represent battle: conquering! At the time that Jesus first ascended, right after telling Mary not to hold him, what entity on earth was righteous in God's eyes? Of course, there can only be one answer: the infant church of Jesus Christ! Jesus breathed on them, and told them to receive the Holy Spirit. It was at that moment that they, all 120, were born again. They were then declared righteous in God's eyes, having put on Jesus' righteousness.
Then they were told to go out and make disciples of all nations. But wait: Satan, that great dragon, possessed all these nations. Would he just stand aside and let the church preach the gospel to all nations? NO! Therefore, the church would have to conquer every step of the way. This is what the first seal was to represent. Then, the church was locked behind closed doors in the upper room. Now, there are born again people in every nation under the sun. Has the church conquered? Absolutely!
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This first seal we will see in detail in the ninth chapter. It takes place after the fifth trumpet sounds, Satan is the first morning star to come. This event will catch many Christians off-guard, for many tie themselves to the '"rapture doctrine", and will worship the Antichrist as the true Christ, in ignorance. This is why the rapture doctrine is so dangerous, for it ties its followers to the first Christ to come, who is the Antichrist.
More confusion added to confusion! For the readers: here is an Axiom for Revelation:
Any theory or doctrine that changes the God given chronology of Revelation, is immediately suspect, and will be proven wrong.
RightTheWrong has totally jumbled up John's chronology. Readers, please read carefully what RightTheWrong has written:
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This first seal we will see in detail in the ninth chapter. It takes place after the fifth trumpet sounds
The first seal was broken in chapter 6, and about 33 AD, just as soon as Jesus ascended into heaven, and took the scroll from the Father's hand. What is taking place in chapter 9? In this chapter, the 7th seal, that opened the "day of the Lord," and the 70th week, has alreay been broken (it was broken in chapter 8. Therefore, John is in the first half of the 70th week in his narrative. In other words, John in chapter 9 is speaking of things stil future to us, but the first seal was broken about 2000 years ago! RightTheWrong is about 2000 years off in his theories.
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The rider of this white horse is not the rider of the white horse who comes with a rainbow around his head, and a rainbow around the throne he leaves. This "bow" in the Greek is a cheap fabric, or imitation, In the Greek it's called "toxon". His grandeur will be cheap, yet convincing all of those who are looking for the rider of the "first horse" to fly them out of here. The Antichrist will offer them all they desire in fulfilling their wishes.
I agree that the rider of the first white horse is not the rider on the white horse of the 19th chapter. The first rider is to represent the church of Jesus Christ, and the second rider IS Jesus Christ. Sorry, but I believe Strong missed it on this bow. "Toxon" is where we get the word "toxic." It means something deadly.
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Toxiphobia is obviously a fear of being poisoned (from Greek toxon, a bow, which has given us toxophily for the sport of archery, and which generated a Greek compound toxicon, “a poison for putting on arrows” which was taken into Latin and later reached us as toxic)http://www.worldwidewords.org/articles/phobias.htm.
Bows back then, as they are now, were deadly, and used to kill. Therefore, "toxon" was correctly translated as bow - meaning a weapon. This bow was not a fake. It was to represent the fact that the church will have to conquer, but not with physical weapons! We fight the good fight of faith. Or weapon is the sword of the spirit, which is the Word of God. Our enemy is spiritual: "we fight not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
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"bow" - 5115 toxon (tox'-on); from the base of 5088; a bow (apparently as the simplest fabric): KJV-- bow.
I believe this to be a VERY poor translations here. This word is used only this once in the bible, so we cannot go to other verses. However, in classical Greek, it was always used as the bow that shoots arrows! This word comes from the root word, "tikto:" "to produce (from seed, as a mother, a plant, the earth, etc.), literally or figuratively bear, be born, bring forth.
Why did God choose to use this word, "toxon" only once? WE will have to ask Him. However, the meaning of the root word, fits the church perfectly. Jesus sowed seed (the Word) into them, and expected a great harvest! Today, perhaps 2 billion people are born agaiin.
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satan will appear here on earth, live and in person,him and his angels.The problem is that he comes as an angel of light which is how he will decieve the whole world.Many people think he will come as all that is evil,but that could'nt be further from the truth
II Corinthians 11:14 "And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light."
Satan is coming disguised as an "angel of light", and the true "Angel of Light" is Jesus Christ. He is coming disguised as the Savior, and that is what this warning of Paul's is all about. Paul doesn't want you seduced by Satan spiritually, like many of the virgins of Christ will be. This is from the very parable that Christ put forth
What does John tell us about the Dragon when he is cast down? John tells us that he immediately goes after the woman, to destroy her - then, failiing that, goes after the "remnant" of her seed. Who would this mean? Those that believe in the Christ, are the seed of the woman. Why "remnant?" Because the "main load" was taken out before the 70th week even started, by way of rapture. (Read Rev 7. John shows the great crowd without number, in heaven before the 70th week even starts.)
However, Satan will surely work through the beast and false prophet. We see his "MO" all over the image of the beast, and the forced worship of said image. The idea of | | |
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