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about the cross - 9/16/2008 3:08:22 PM
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nikkik
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I do believe that Jesus went to the cross as a sacrifice for my sins. I believe he rose from the dead, and speaks to me every day. But it crosses my mind that it was evildoers that put him on the cross. Yet it was God the father who planned for him to be a sacrifice for our sins. Yet it seems to me that those (i.e. Judas) responsible for sending him there committed the worst sin of all time. Yet it did the greatest good. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
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RE: about the cross - 9/16/2008 4:08:16 PM
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I do believe that Jesus went to the cross as a sacrifice for my sins. I believe he rose from the dead, and speaks to me every day. But it crosses my mind that it was evildoers that put him on the cross. Yet it was God the father who planned for him to be a sacrifice for our sins. Yet it seems to me that those (i.e. Judas) responsible for sending him there committed the worst sin of all time. Yet it did the greatest good. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
Yes, the sin of all time is rejecting Jesus. He knew that Judas would betray Him. Even today people reject Him. God made a Way for us to live eternally with Him and people are still making the choice not to accept Him as Savior. It is hard for me to unerstand how people can refuse God's love......
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RE: about the cross - 9/16/2008 4:52:22 PM
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I do believe that Jesus went to the cross as a sacrifice for my sins. I believe he rose from the dead, and speaks to me every day. But it crosses my mind that it was evildoers that put him on the cross. Yet it was God the father who planned for him to be a sacrifice for our sins. Yet it seems to me that those (i.e. Judas) responsible for sending him there committed the worst sin of all time. Yet it did the greatest good. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
God uses all things for the good (His will is good or PERFECT.). And yes, I would not like to be Judas. Judas made a personal choice and bears personal responsibility. Those that bore false witness against Him, also bear responsibilty. Those that spit on Him and pulled out His beard bear responsibility. Yet, we too, because of our sin, (His reason for going to the cross... for NO man could take His life, He gave it.) we too, are responsible. But indeed God saved the world through this process. What amazing love... (it must have even Satan in awe!) I am sure he thought he had accomplished killing the Son of God, only to find the greatest plan of redemption had been completed! ! Love and Prayers, Karyn
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RE: about the cross - 9/16/2008 5:17:53 PM
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I do believe that Jesus went to the cross as a sacrifice for my sins. I believe he rose from the dead, and speaks to me every day. But it crosses my mind that it was evildoers that put him on the cross. Yet it was God the father who planned for him to be a sacrifice for our sins. Yet it seems to me that those (i.e. Judas) responsible for sending him there committed the worst sin of all time. Yet it did the greatest good. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
Are you keeping in mind that Jesus went to the cross on His own will? He could not have gone, but He did.
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RE: about the cross - 9/16/2008 10:43:16 PM
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But it crosses my mind that it was evildoers that put him on the cross.
It was for evildoers like you and me that Jesus chose to go to the cross. Once we realize that it is our wrongdoing that He died for, it changes everything.
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RE: about the cross - 9/16/2008 10:57:25 PM
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Are you keeping in mind that Jesus went to the cross on His own will? He could not have gone, but He did.
this is a very very important thing to understand.
sin was the cause of death -thru Adam- to all mankind.
Jesus was completely sinless.
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RE: about the cross - 9/17/2008 11:57:22 AM
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nikkik
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ORIGINAL: nikkik
I do believe that Jesus went to the cross as a sacrifice for my sins. I believe he rose from the dead, and speaks to me every day. But it crosses my mind that it was evildoers that put him on the cross. Yet it was God the father who planned for him to be a sacrifice for our sins. Yet it seems to me that those (i.e. Judas) responsible for sending him there committed the worst sin of all time. Yet it did the greatest good. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
Are you keeping in mind that Jesus went to the cross on His own will? He could not have gone, but He did.
Yes, Jesus did go of his own will. I do believe that he chose, although the bible says somewhere that whatever the Son sees the Father doing, the Son does as well. But just like any human being, he had a choice. The way that I'm seeing this, and I could be wrong, is there's Jesus' will and our Father's will, which are the same, since anyone who's seen the Son has seen the Father, and then there's the will of each human being. And these are separate, yet God carries out his plan through them. And his plan is for salvation, yet not everyone will be saved. But God doesn't want anyone to perish. But the Father seems to have a part in this too, for it was he who hardened Pharoah's heart in the old testament. But Pharoah was a cruel man, and the bible says he used him to carry out his plan so the Isrealites and Egyptians would know he was God and he differs between them. Even then he had a chosen people. But I believe he loves everyone. He died for everyone, but although "many are called, few are chosen". There's something I'm trying to wrap my mind around here, but I'm not sure what it is ...
I believe Jesus is good, but I guess part of me is trying to understand the "few are chosen" part ...
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RE: about the cross - 9/17/2008 10:45:35 PM
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Yes, Jesus did go of his own will. I do believe that he chose, although the bible says somewhere that whatever the Son sees the Father doing, the Son does as well. But just like any human being, he had a choice. What do you think might have happened if Jesus chose not to go to the Cross?
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But I believe he loves everyone. He died for everyone, but although "many are called, few are chosen". There's something I'm trying to wrap my mind around here, but I'm not sure what it is ... Is it possible that God only chooses those who are willing to be chosen? The verse you are quoting (Matt 22:14) is from the parable of the wedding banquet. Clearly the king invited numerous people to come to his son's party, but most refused to come, paid no attention, or even killed the king's messengers. The ones who ended up enjoying the banquet made a conscious decision to accept the invitation and wear the fine clothes provided by the king. Don't we have similar responsibilities to obey God if we want to be part of the "chosen few"?
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RE: about the cross - 9/18/2008 7:00:11 AM
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Yet it seems to me that those (i.e. Judas) responsible for sending him there committed the worst sin of all time.
If Christ would have come now, in this time, the result would be the same. There are many more like Judas.
This gives you an idea of the state of mans' heart. We need a savior and no other but Christ will do and in no other way could He become savior.
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RE: about the cross - 9/18/2008 8:10:53 AM
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We need a savior and no other but Christ will do and in no other way could He become savior. Does this imply that God would have been incapable of providing salvation in any other way, or that the destiny of Christ was immutable from before the beginning of time?
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RE: about the cross - 9/18/2008 9:58:03 PM
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pinkbow
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This post has caused me to reflect on something about Jesus' character that is so beautiful...
The very people that sent him to his death, he died for. He didn't just die for his family, his disciples, and innocent children or anyone you could think of that would be "deserving" by humanly standards. It was because of the sin in us all that he died for. For God so loved the World...
When I think of the hell Jesus went through, I am astounded by his sincere compassion that came from true love. No love is more pure than Christs- because he knew that our greatest need was his sacrifice.
What a wonderful, beautiful, loving God, that we call Father.
Amen.
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