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Why did God send Jeuss to be tempted by the Devil - 6/24/2008 12:28:09 AM
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mikejonesoftn
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Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil - Matthew 4:1
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Why did God send Jesus to be tempted by the Devil? Since Jesus is pretty much God, he knew that he wouldn't go for the Devil "tricks", so why did God do it?
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RE: Why did God send Jeuss to be tempted by the Devil - 6/24/2008 11:55:00 AM
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There are really two parts to the question you are asking (as I see it anyway) and I will share with you what I have learned about each part.
Part 1 -Why did Jesus have to be tempted in the first place?
In order to fulfill all righteousness, Jesus had to be a true sacrifice-in other words, He had to experience in his humanity ALL that all other humans experienced-and temptation is a very human experience, would you not agree? If he came only as God in human form, that would have not been the perfect sacrifice for all sin for all time. It's in experiencing humanity that He was able to "bear our disease" (including the disease of temptation, etc.). Now why must He have been the ultimate sacrifice-I don't know and I pray that one day I will because it seems like such a shame and a waste that my sins and selfishness caused the creator of all things to have to die, but that's how it worked out.
Part 2 - Why would the HOLY SPIRIT willfully lead Jesus into the arms of the evil one?
With the context of the first part, we see that it was necessary so now the question is why would God in human flesh be surrendered into the hand of the evil one? The answer I got on that-sin is evil, and who does evil but the evil one? God could not have tempted Jesus in any way-He does not tempt us so the only one who could have was the one who did-the evil one. Because it was necessary, it had to be done and the only one who COULD do it is the evil one. That's why the Holy Spirit had to lead Jesus to the one who could tempt him-the evil one.
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RE: Why did God send Jeuss to be tempted by the Devil - 6/24/2008 2:07:05 PM
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It is as Blue has stated, Christ faced all of the temptations so He might be our ordained high priest
For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succor them that are tempted. Heb 2:18
Wherefore in all things it behooved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
Heb 2:17
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RE: Why did God send Jeuss to be tempted by the Devil - 7/5/2008 11:43:55 PM
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Beanteaser
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I think the whole point of the "temptation" in the wilderness was to prove to Satan that Jesus was (and still is) God.
Based on a poll I did several weeks back, a little under half the people here believe in a fallible Jesus. One of the reasons why, is that they fail to understand the meaning of "tempt" in Matthew 4. It doesn't mean "entice" it means "test."
Satan was testing God's character in the wilderness. The fact that Jesus COULD NOT sin proved to Satan His deity.
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RE: Why did God send Jeuss to be tempted by the Devil - 7/9/2008 8:18:20 AM
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one interesting thing to note, Jesus fasted for some time while out there, remember? What was the first thing satan tempted Him with? This is also a shining example (as all of His life was) of the temptations we face, when we choose our own will over that of our Father's, especially in times of need.
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RE: Why did God send Jeuss to be tempted by the Devil - 7/10/2008 7:21:40 AM
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Satan was testing God's character in the wilderness. The fact that Jesus COULD NOT sin proved to Satan His deity.
Or does the performance of Jesus go to prove that an ordinary man can overcome all the powers of evil and thus avoid sin altogether if he recognises the image of God within? There are similarities with the trials of Job here, IMO.
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RE: Why did God send Jeuss to be tempted by the Devil - 7/10/2008 5:26:49 PM
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Beanteaser
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Jesus isn't an ordinary man. He is 100% God!
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RE: Why did God send Jeuss to be tempted by the Devil - 7/11/2008 12:46:30 PM
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SamSpick
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An otherwise ordinary man who recognises the image of God within is indeed one with God. That said, the trials and suffering of Jesus were 100% human - it had to be that way: to lead by example so to get people to "wake up" to their true nature. In the end, we must each take up our own cross...
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RE: Why did God send Jeuss to be tempted by the Devil - 7/16/2008 5:15:31 PM
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An otherwise ordinary man who recognises the image of God within is indeed one with God. That said, the trials and suffering of Jesus were 100% human - it had to be that way: to lead by example so to get people to "wake up" to their true nature. In the end, we must each take up our own cross...
Jesus wasn't an ordinary man. He was 100% God in a human body. Hebrews 7:26 says He is "separate from sinners." Since every single person has sinned except Jesus, this makes him extremely unique and not ordinary.
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RE: Why did God send Jeuss to be tempted by the Devil - 7/16/2008 6:05:29 PM
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Satan was testing God's character in the wilderness. The fact that Jesus COULD NOT sin proved to Satan His deity.
Or does the performance of Jesus go to prove that an ordinary man can overcome all the powers of evil and thus avoid sin altogether if he recognises the image of God within? There are similarities with the trials of Job here, IMO.
An ordinary man? Jesus is the King of Kings, Lord of Lords, God Almighty, the Alpha and the Omega. What you're saying sounds a lot like what Creflo Dollar, Kenneth Copeland and other heretical Word of Faithers teach... that any man with enough "RHEMA- revelation knowledge" could have accomplished what Jesus Christ did on the cross and while on this earth.
Negative and blasphemy.
Please clarify your comments.
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RE: Why did God send Jeuss to be tempted by the Devil - 7/16/2008 6:08:22 PM
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Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil - Matthew 4:1
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Why did God send Jesus to be tempted by the Devil? Since Jesus is pretty much God, he knew that he wouldn't go for the Devil "tricks", so why did God do it?
Hello Mike, great question. Firstly, Jesus is not "pretty much God".. Jesus is God. Getting to the root of your question.. to believe that Jesus could sin is to believe that God could sin. Colossians 1:19, "For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell." Colossians 2:9, "For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily."
Although Jesus is fully human, He was not born with the same sinful nature that we are born with. He certainly was tempted in the same way we are, in that temptations were put before Him by Satan, yet remained sinless because God is incapable of sinning.
It is against His very nature (Matthew 4:1; Hebrews 2:18, 4:15; James 1:13). Sin is by definition a trespass of the Law. God created the Law, and the Law is by nature what God would or would not do; therefore, sin is anything that God would not do by His very nature.
To be tempted is not in and of itself sinful. A person could tempt you with something you have no desire to do, such as committing murder or participating in sexual perversions. You probably have no desire whatsoever to take part in these actions, but you were still tempted because someone placed the possibility before you. There are at least two definitions for tempted:
1) Tempted - To have a sinful proposition suggested to you by someone or something outside yourself or by your own sin nature.
2) Tempted - To consider actually participating in a sinful act and the possible pleasures and consequences of such an act to the degree that the act is already taking place in your mind.
The first definition does not describe a sinful act/thought, the second does.
When you dwell upon a sinful act and consider how you might be able to bring it to pass, you have crossed the line of sin.
Jesus was tempted in the fashion of definition 1, except that He was never tempted by a sin nature because it did not exist within Him. Satan proposed certain sinful acts to Jesus, but He had no inner desire to participate in the sin. Hence, He was tempted like we are but remained sinless.
Those who hold to peccability believe that if Jesus could not have sinned, He could not have truly experienced temptation, and therefore could not truly empathize with our struggles and temptations against sin.
We have to remember that one does not have to experience something in order to understand it. God knows everything about everything. While God has never had the desire to sin, and has most definitely never sinned – God knows and understands what sin is. God knows and understands what it is like to be tempted. Jesus can empathize with our temptations because He knows…not because He has “experienced” all the same things we have.
Jesus knows what it is like to be tempted, but He does not know what it is like to sin. This does not prevent Him from assisting us.
We are tempted with sins that are common to man (1 Corinthians 10:13). These sins generally can be boiled down to three different types: the lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, and the pride of life (1 John 2:16).
Examine the temptation and sin of Eve as well as the temptation of Jesus, and you will find that the temptations for each came from these three categories.
Jesus was tempted in every way and in every area that we are, but remained perfectly holy. Although our corrupt natures will have the inner desire to participate in some sins, we have the ability to overcome sin because we are no longer slaves to sin but rather slaves of God (Romans 6, especially verses 2 and 16-22).
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RE: Why did God send Jeuss to be tempted by the Devil - 7/17/2008 11:29:20 AM
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SamSpick
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Although Jesus is fully human, He was not born with the same sinful nature that we are born with.
How can He be fully human and yet not have a human nature?
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He certainly was tempted in the same way we are
Oh so He was 100% human?
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yet remained sinless because God is incapable of sinning.
Ah, now He's 100% God again.
I don't wish to be rude but your theology is very confusing.
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We have to remember that one does not have to experience something in order to understand it.
I don't think that's right at all. How would you explain the colour "blue" to a man who has never seen anything?
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RE: Why did God send Jeuss to be tempted by the Devil - 7/17/2008 2:30:19 PM
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Sam,
If you have questions regarding the Trinity - the Triune nature of God - please refer to the one stop thread we have for that discussion.
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RE: Why did God send Jeuss to be tempted by the Devil - 7/17/2008 3:20:18 PM
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Although Jesus is fully human, He was not born with the same sinful nature that we are born with.
How can He be fully human and yet not have a human nature?
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He certainly was tempted in the same way we are
Oh so He was 100% human?
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yet remained sinless because God is incapable of sinning.
Ah, now He's 100% God again.
I don't wish to be rude but your theology is very confusing.
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We have to remember that one does not have to experience something in order to understand it.
I don't think that's right at all. How would you explain the colour "blue" to a man who has never seen anything?
This is not a comment to anyone in particular, (definitely not to the OP) but I can't help but notice that this type of exchange appears to ensue whenever we attempt to understand something beyond human comprehension.
For me, I'm finding it a lot less complicated to admit that indeed, I do not understand all of the details of exactly who and what God are (nor is it a profitable enterprise to create theories which satisify my curiosity) but that instead it's enough to have faith in Him. To be quite honest, if everything about Him had a logical human explanation, He wouldn't be much of a God huh (kind of a "tame" lion if you get what I mean).
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RE: Why did God send Jeuss to be tempted by the Devil - 7/17/2008 4:30:41 PM
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SamSpick
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For me, I'm finding it a lot less complicated to admit that indeed, I do not understand all of the details of exactly who and what God are (nor is it a profitable enterprise to create theories which satisify my curiosity) but that instead it's enough to have faith in Him.
Blue1914, You are of course quite right. To be honest I don't really wish to continue this exchange at all. Furthermore, I am totally unconvinced that my visiting the "the one stop thread we have for that discussion" will help either. Seen it all before. No thanks. Just endless bickering which ultimately achieves nothing.
I will however depart this thread by saying that comments like "Negative and blasphemy" by people arrogant enough to claim a monopoly on divine wisdom yet displaying an absolute poverty when it comes to human empathy, are reminiscent of medieval Europe.
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RE: Why did God send Jeuss to be tempted by the Devil - 8/5/2008 8:56:01 AM
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Jesus isn't an ordinary man. He is 100% God!
can God be tempted?
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RE: Why did God send Jeuss to be tempted by the Devil - 8/7/2008 10:14:41 AM
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Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil - Matthew 4:1
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Why did God send Jesus to be tempted by the Devil? Since Jesus is pretty much God, he knew that he wouldn't go for the Devil "tricks", so why did God do it?
To show the world that Jesus has power over the devil. 
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RE: Why did God send Jeuss to be tempted by the Devil - 8/7/2008 12:49:43 PM
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To show the world that Jesus has power over the devil.
Like His brethren, Jesus was tempted in all things, unlike His brethren, Jesus did not sin. In doing so, Jesus proclaimed/proved God's judgement on man as being righteous and just.
The way your post is worded, it looks like you're saying that man is righteous and just. I'm assuming you meant that Jesus showed the world that only God has power over the devil, not man.
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RE: Why did God send Jeuss to be tempted by the Devil - 8/8/2008 1:46:25 PM
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Abishua
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The way your post is worded, it looks like you're saying that man is righteous and just. I'm assuming you meant that Jesus showed the world that only God has power over the devil, not man.
Sorry...What I was trying to convey is that God's Judgement is righteous and fair. When Jesus demonstrated to all, that living within God's Laws were possible, Jesus declared God's judgement on fallen man as righteous and fair.....and left man without an excuse.
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RE: Why did God send Jeuss to be tempted by the Devil - 8/12/2008 12:47:54 PM
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Beanteaser
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Jesus isn't an ordinary man. He is 100% God!
can God be tempted?
Good question. Define "tempted" so I know we are on the same page.
James 1:13 says "When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone;"
We know that God CANNOT be tempted be evil. Does this answer your question?
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RE: Why did God send Jeuss to be tempted by the Devil - 8/12/2008 2:18:26 PM
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Jesus isn't an ordinary man. He is 100% God!
can God be tempted?
Good question. Define "tempted" so I know we are on the same page.
James 1:13 says "When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone;"
We know that God CANNOT be tempted be evil. Does this answer your question?
doesnt this present us with a condrum. while james 1 says that God cannot be tempted, it also says that God does not tempt anyone.
matt 4:1
Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.
maybe you can say that while God lead Jesus into the desert for satan to tempt Him, it was not God that did the actual tempting.....
the relationship between Jesus humanity and divinity is not as easly defined by simply saying He was 100% God and discounting His humanity.
while in the garden before His death Jesus displayed His humantiy in a very real way.
matt 26:39
And He went a little beyond them, and fell on His face and prayed, saying, "My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; yet not as I will, but as You will."
Jesus says that His will in this matter was not the same as the Father's, for Jesus says "not as I will"
Jesus surrenders His will to the Father when He says "but as You will".
Jesus in His divinity could not have a seperate or different will than the Father, if God is one. however in His humantiy Jesus could have a different will
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RE: Why did God send Jeuss to be tempted by the Devil - 8/14/2008 5:48:25 PM
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Not reading all the responses, Messiah had to be tempted to prove His sinlessness, also He is able to identify and be touched by the weakness we experience and offer us grace. Heb. 2:17-18.
Yahshua, being 100% man and 100% God had to represent both God and man in order to die on the cross for the sins of mankind. Him being a sinless Messiah through the resisting of sin will in the flesh, proved Him as a sinless lamb. He is the mediator between God and Man.
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RE: Why did God send Jeuss to be tempted by the Devil - 8/16/2008 10:58:16 AM
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....Yahshua, being 100% man and 100% God had to represent both God and man in order to die on the cross for the sins of mankind....
Messiah was The Shaliach of God. As God's agent, Messiah carried the authority of His principle (God).
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.....He is the mediator between God and Man......
Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
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