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RE: What will they do when all of the children... - 7/1/2008 2:32:06 AM
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FurGodWurLivin
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I'm hoping this is sarcastic...
If not, you would need to prove that children are taken up with believers during the rapture. Since you won't be able to do that, I wouldn't worry too much.
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RE: What will they do when all of the children... - 7/4/2008 9:16:35 AM
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cwb
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I'm hoping this is sarcastic...
If not, you would need to prove that children are taken up with believers during the rapture. Since you won't be able to do that, I wouldn't worry too much.
Adam
Sarcastic? Hardly.
I won't be here. I AM curious tho'. Surely you don't think the children will1 be left behind?
A child/infant who passes now goes to be with the Lord. Right?
Hebrews had an 'Age of accountability', didn't they? At which a child/infant was not subject to Mosaic law?
Do you believe children and infants will be left to endure the Tribulation? And if so, what happens to the child/infant who passes the day after the Rapture?
Sarcastic? Why do you say that?
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RE: What will they do when all of the children... - 7/4/2008 9:45:32 AM
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I myself do not believe in a pre-trib rapture. I have studied the matter and find no evidence in scripture to lead me to that conclusion.
I think it is a dangerous thing to be anticipating such a thing if it turns out to not to be the right theory.
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RE: What will they do when all of the children... - 7/4/2008 10:12:49 AM
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cwb
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I myself do not believe in a pre-trib rapture. I have studied the matter and find no evidence in scripture to lead me to that conclusion.
I think it is a dangerous thing to be anticipating such a thing if it turns out to not to be the right theory.
Hi sophie!
I think there's a couple of threads about that already. Thread hijacking is against the rules, and since this thread is NOT about whether or not there is a rapture, or personal beliefs about what is dangerous, I think marking your post is advisable. This thread is about what will happen to the children at the rapture.
Thanks for your input tho'...
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RE: What will they do when all of the children... - 7/4/2008 10:21:27 AM
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cwb - so do you want only those who believe in a pre-trib rapture to respond?
The others will doubtless answer like Sophie did.
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RE: What will they do when all of the children... - 7/4/2008 10:47:33 AM
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cwb
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I don't mind if someone goes off thread-topic - as long as the original question is addressed.
In post 4, the thread question was not addressed at all - what happens to children at the Rapture.
Kinda' disappointing...
Thanks tho'...
ed.: yeah - I guess the answer is yes to your question TA. I'm not interested in discussing whether or not there's a rapture - I'm only interested in what happens to the children when the trumpet blows...
< Message edited by cwb -- 7/4/2008 2:24:45 PM >
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RE: What will they do when all of the children... - 7/4/2008 11:29:15 AM
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I myself do not believe in a pre-trib rapture. I have studied the matter and find no evidence in scripture to lead me to that conclusion.
I think it is a dangerous thing to be anticipating such a thing if it turns out to not to be the right theory.
Hi sophie!
I think there's a couple of threads about that already. Thread hijacking is against the rules, and since this thread is NOT about whether or not there is a rapture, or personal beliefs about what is dangerous, I think marking your post is advisable. This thread is about what will happen to the children at the rapture.
Thanks for your input tho'...
Thread hijacking?!? I made one comment on a thread that only had one reply before mine from someone other than the OP. Excuse me if you disagree with what I said, but I certainly was not attacking you in any way or attempting to hijack your thread.
I was of the opinion that the purpose of this forum is to have debate and discussion with fellow Christians and others on topics of interest, but not everyone has the same opinion.
And the original topic was addressed in my previous post. Being that I do not believe in a pre-trib rapture I have to say no I do not believe all of the children are going to suddenly disappear.
Thank you for your most kind response.
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RE: What will they do when all of the children... - 7/5/2008 2:03:44 AM
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FurGodWurLivin
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cwb...
I will do my best to not sound condescending, arrogant, or off topic. But I must question the premise of the question. The answer is predicated on the notion of a "pre-tribulational rapture". Since that is the case, the answer to you question would be moot if there is no pre-tribulational rapture. Since I, like Sophie, have studied and find no satisfiable evidence of any such pre-trib rapture, it takes much self control to not find the question laughable. There are a couple of things needed to form the foundation for this question...
(1) proof of a pre-trib rapture (which you won't find)
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(2) proof of an age of innocence (which would be a tough sell under any circumstances).
Personally, I don't buy the "all kids go to heaven" type doctrine. Why? Because I was a heck of a liar growing up. Lying is a sin, yes? As a sinner, I was just as hell bound as any druggie on the street. If there is an "age of innocence", I would like to know why God put the 5th commandment in Exodus 20. Secondly, based on your argument for the "age of innocence", I would be forced to point out the difference between Mosaic law and the law of death that Paul speaks of in Romans. If there is any kind of limit where you aren't held responsible for your doings, it is a far younger age than many think...
So, to be very clear and direct about the questions you asked, I don't think the children are going to be left behind, because I don't think there is a generic rapture of Christians and other "innocents" prior to the tribulation. In my eschatological view, when the rapture does happen at the end of the antichrist's 3 1/2 year reign, there will be four types of people... the saved, those with the mark, those that resist the Antichrist for no reason other than being anarchist, and the dead. Jesus will kill all those with the mark at his return, and the "resistors" will have 1000 years with God in the flesh to decide to come to Him or not. Simple enough?
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RE: What will they do when all of the children... - 7/5/2008 9:23:07 AM
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(1) proof of a pre-trib rapture (which you won't find)
I already found it. Same proof as knowledge of God's existence. Comes from within.
If the Spirit tells you different, that's fine.
Indulge me on this passage, if you will...
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1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, ...
Who is the Wicked one v.8?
What/who is removed v.7 before he is revealed v.8?
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RE: What will they do when all of the children... - 7/6/2008 5:49:25 AM
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Indulge me on this passage, if you will... Indulge, I shall...
Verse 8 is making referrence to the same one as verse three, the son of perdition. That is simple enough.
Verse 7 says that the "one restraining" will be removed. However, the Bible does not specificy who is restraining what. The only way to make this passage spell out a pre-tribulational rapture is that the "restrainer" or "he that letteth" must be God and He must obviously be restraining the Antichrist. However, that is taking into account a couple different assumptions.
When do we see God actively restraining something? The only time I can think of God specifically orchestrating a restraint on something, it was when He ordered a blockade of the tree of life in the Garden of Eden. However, God wasn't the one restraining man from getting to tree, but it was a Seraphim and a flaming sword. It's hardly conclusive, but it is more evidence than the argument of Holy Spirit or the church being the restrainer. In fact, in my studies, I have found nothing supporting either claim. Here is what I find... Matthew 24:3-31
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And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before.
Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
And again in verses 37-42... quote:
But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. Notice that the days of the end have been shortened, according to Jesus, for the sake of the elect. Seems we will still care about what is happening on earth at that time.
Notice also the context in which Jesus uses the term "taken". The people taken away by the flood were the people who didn't believe there was a flood coming that were going about their daily lives and suddenly they were killed. Then Jesus uses the same type of wording to talk about those grinding in a millstone or out in a field... one is "taken" and the other is left. Based on that verse and the usage of the "carcass... eagle" refference, it is a pretty safe bet that you don't want to be "taken". As I have said, in my studies I have yet to find conlusive evidence of the "pre-trib" rapture, which makes the answer to this question moot. Pardon my perceived shortness in my first response.
Adam
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RE: What will they do when all of the children... - 7/18/2008 5:55:45 AM
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... meet the Lord in the air?
When the trumpet blows, believers are caught up. Children too, I presume...
How will that go over when they're all gone (besides the politicians' phony impetus for all kinds of legislation)?
A gigantic amber alert?
My guess is when everyone who is suppose to be caught up in the rapture is taken the world will say it was aliens. The world is already so fascinated with aliens and so many are already believers.
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RE: What will they do when all of the children... - 7/18/2008 9:09:34 AM
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... meet the Lord in the air?
When the trumpet blows, believers are caught up. Children too, I presume...
How will that go over when they're all gone (besides the politicians' phony impetus for all kinds of legislation)?
A gigantic amber alert?
My guess is when everyone who is suppose to be caught up in the rapture is taken the world will say it was aliens. The world is already so fascinated with aliens and so many are already believers.
That could definitely be one explanation. Or some kind of virus. I don't know...but I do think that it will be pretty easy to pull the wool over people's eyes. Since the world is already blinded to the Truth, this won't be to hard to "take care of".
I think this will play, big time, into the acceptance of the Anti-Christ. He'll be the only one that will be able to make some sense of it for those left behind. And they'll be grateful and see him as a diety for doing so! (That's just my opinion...there is no scripture to explain how this will be explained!)
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RE: What will they do when all of the children... - 7/18/2008 9:56:20 AM
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ORIGINAL: Katie-Scarlet
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... meet the Lord in the air?
When the trumpet blows, believers are caught up. Children too, I presume...
How will that go over when they're all gone (besides the politicians' phony impetus for all kinds of legislation)?
A gigantic amber alert?
My guess is when everyone who is suppose to be caught up in the rapture is taken the world will say it was aliens. The world is already so fascinated with aliens and so many are already believers.
That could definitely be one explanation. Or some kind of virus. I don't know...but I do think that it will be pretty easy to pull the wool over people's eyes. Since the world is already blinded to the Truth, this won't be to hard to "take care of".
I think this will play, big time, into the acceptance of the Anti-Christ. He'll be the only one that will be able to make some sense of it for those left behind. And they'll be grateful and see him as a diety for doing so! (That's just my opinion...there is no scripture to explain how this will be explained!)
We share the same opinion.
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