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RE: There He Goes Again - Bowing To Emporer of Japan - 11/14/2009 8:51:18 AM
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StephK
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This really isn't a joking matter in light of everything else this incompetent empty suit has done. How many excused him for the bow to the Saudi king?
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RE: There He Goes Again - Bowing To Emporer of Japan - 11/14/2009 10:19:58 AM
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This really isn't a joking matter in light of everything else this incompetent empty suit has done. How many excused him for the bow to the Saudi king?
Actually the Saudi bow I found far more annoying than this. I find it hard to respect a leader whose nation has a history of brainwashing it's children into hating the western world.
However, if he of all the religions is into Shinto his bow was probably acceptable since the Emperor would be a deity.
Maybe next month he'll be a Hindu or a perhaps Wicca for the Winter Solstice.
Now that I think of it let me add he should by now have some kind of understanding on protocol.
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RE: There He Goes Again - Bowing To Emporer of Japan - 11/14/2009 10:32:08 AM
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You are missing the point. The POTUS does not bow to foreign heads of states. Please stop making this into something silly. He is prostrating himself and embarrassing the US with his lack of understanding of protocol.
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Obama's breach of protocol is of a piece with the substance of his foreign policy. He means to teach Americans to bow before monarchs and tyrants. He embodies the ideological multiculturalism that sets the United States on the same plane as other regimes based on tribal privilege and royal bloodlines. He gives expressive form to the idea that the United States now willingly prostrates itself before the rest of the world. He declares that the United States is a country like any other, only worse, because we have so much for which to apologize.
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RE: There He Goes Again - Bowing To Emporer of Japan - 11/14/2009 11:09:14 AM
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The POTUS does not bow to foreign heads of states. Please stop making this into something silly.
Rlj isn't making it into something silly - this already is something silly.
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He is prostrating himself
Do you know what the word "prostrate" means?
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RE: There He Goes Again - Bowing To Emporer of Japan - 11/14/2009 11:33:12 AM
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It would be nice if Obama paid as much homage to our Constitution as he does foriegn leaders.
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RE: There He Goes Again - Bowing To Emporer of Japan - 11/14/2009 11:52:13 AM
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You are missing the point. The POTUS does not bow to foreign heads of states. Please stop making this into something silly. He is prostrating himself and embarrassing the US with his lack of understanding of protocol.
I thought the pioint of the thread is " I don't like Obama" That's usually the point of these kind of threads.
I think Obama should've slapped him with his glove and yelled "Remember Pearl Harbor!!," being from Hawaii and all.
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RE: There He Goes Again - Bowing To Emporer of Japan - 11/14/2009 12:09:51 PM
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He is prostrating himself and embarrassing the US with his lack of understanding of protocol.
pros⋅trate /ˈprɒstreɪt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [pros-treyt] verb, -trat⋅ed, -trat⋅ing, adjective
–verb (used with object)
1. to cast (oneself) face down on the ground in humility, submission, or adoration.
2. to lay flat, as on the ground.
3. to throw down level with the ground.
4. to overthrow, overcome, or reduce to helplessness.
5. to reduce to physical weakness or exhaustion.
–adjective
6. lying flat or at full length, as on the ground.
7. lying face down on the ground, as in token of humility, submission, or adoration.
8. overthrown, overcome, or helpless: a country left prostrate by natural disasters.
9. physically weak or exhausted.
10. submissive.
11. utterly dejected or depressed; disconsolate.
12. Botany. (of a plant or stem) lying flat on the ground.
If he was actually prostrating I would probably agree with you but he is not. As I said I disliked it when it was the head of Saudi Arabia since I understand that is a big reason for all of the muslim nut jobs (NOT IRAQ) and I thought with the Emperor it looked silly.
However, if he does believe that the Emperor is a direct descendant of the sun god which is hard to say because he is a different religion every month at least I could probably look past this. That would make November "Shinto" month.
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RE: There He Goes Again - Bowing To Emporer of Japan - 11/14/2009 12:53:16 PM
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Why is this a big deal....
Heads of state are equal. Only a king's subjects are to bow to the king. Why hasn't someone at state told him how improper this is?
Being the United States President, when Obama bows he is number one offering the emperor the option to cut off his head, which is what the gesture, means by the way. And he's putting the whole United States in subjugation to whoever he is bowing too.
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RE: There He Goes Again - Bowing To Emporer of Japan - 11/14/2009 1:00:37 PM
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He is prostrating himself and embarrassing the US with his lack of understanding of protocol.
pros⋅trate /ˈprɒstreɪt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [pros-treyt] verb, -trat⋅ed, -trat⋅ing, adjective
–verb (used with object)
1. to cast (oneself) face down on the ground in humility, submission, or adoration.
2. to lay flat, as on the ground.
3. to throw down level with the ground.
4. to overthrow, overcome, or reduce to helplessness.
5. to reduce to physical weakness or exhaustion.
–adjective
6. lying flat or at full length, as on the ground.
7. lying face down on the ground, as in token of humility, submission, or adoration.
8. overthrown, overcome, or helpless: a country left prostrate by natural disasters.
9. physically weak or exhausted.
10. submissive.
11. utterly dejected or depressed; disconsolate.
12. Botany. (of a plant or stem) lying flat on the ground.
If he was actually prostrating I would probably agree with you but he is not. As I said I disliked it when it was the head of Saudi Arabia since I understand that is a big reason for all of the muslim nut jobs (NOT IRAQ) and I thought with the Emperor it looked silly.
However, if he does believe that the Emperor is a direct descendant of the sun god which is hard to say because he is a different religion every month at least I could probably look past this. That would make November "Shinto" month.
Look, I'm not going to go round and round with you over this. You obviously think it's a joke and it's not. One time breaking protocol because he didn't know better is one thing but after the blatant lying done by Gibby from the bow to the Saudi king shows he just doesn't care one whit about protocol. He's sending a message to the world and it's not one that the former POTUS' sent.
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RE: There He Goes Again - Bowing To Emporer of Japan - 11/14/2009 1:07:51 PM
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What's the protocol for bowing? I did a search on the web for something and all I found were blogs abotu it. I really don't want someones opinion, but fact.
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RE: There He Goes Again - Bowing To Emporer of Japan - 11/14/2009 1:09:24 PM
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The POTUS does not bow to foreign heads of states. Please stop making this into something silly.
Rlj isn't making it into something silly - this already is something silly.
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He is prostrating himself
Do you know what the word "prostrate" means?
-Dan.
This thread is not silly. The POTUS is supposed to know what to do when meeting heads of state. His record is poor so far and he's had plenty of time to learn the ropes by now.
Yes I know what prostrating oneself means. He may not have laid flat on the floor but he sure did send that message. Once he's just clueless due to being in way over his head and new. More than once shows it's deliberate. There is a reason that there is an Office of Protocol within the State Department for such meetings.
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RE: There He Goes Again - Bowing To Emporer of Japan - 11/14/2009 1:11:19 PM
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Look, I'm not going to go round and round with you over this. You obviously think it's a joke and it's not. One time breaking protocol because he didn't know better is one thing but after the blatant lying done by Gibby from the bow to the Saudi king shows he just doesn't care one whit about protocol. He's sending a message to the world and it's not one that the former POTUS' sent.
Which unfortunately is the message that the Obama worshippers want sent. Obama and by extension The United States is the world's doormat.
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RE: There He Goes Again - Bowing To Emporer of Japan - 11/14/2009 1:19:26 PM
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You are missing the point. The POTUS does not bow to foreign heads of states. Please stop making this into something silly. He is prostrating himself and embarrassing the US with his lack of understanding of protocol.
I thought the pioint of the thread is " I don't like Obama" That's usually the point of these kind of threads.
I think Obama should've slapped him with his glove and yelled "Remember Pearl Harbor!!," being from Hawaii and all.
No, the point of this thread is that the incompetent person who is the POTUS has once again crossed a line of acceptable behavior on foreign soil. We are citizens not subjects. There was a war fought to free us from bowing to foreign leaders. We don't bow to our own leaders.
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RE: There He Goes Again - Bowing To Emporer of Japan - 11/14/2009 1:35:42 PM
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...a serious observer might take a look at the growing Japanese sentiment to move the Marine base on Okinawa or some other significant aspect to US-Japanese relations.
...but of course, on these threads bowing to an irrelevant monarch is cause for serious concern :0
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RE: There He Goes Again - Bowing To Emporer of Japan - 11/14/2009 3:00:54 PM
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Look, I'm not going to go round and round with you over this. You obviously think it's a joke and it's not. One time breaking protocol because he didn't know better is one thing but after the blatant lying done by Gibby from the bow to the Saudi king shows he just doesn't care one whit about protocol. He's sending a message to the world and it's not one that the former POTUS' sent.
Which unfortunately is the message that the Obama worshippers want sent. Obama and by extension The United States is the world's doormat.
I'll make a deal with you. You quit referring to Obama supporters as "worshippers" and I won't refer to those who oppose him as "racists".
Fair?
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RE: There He Goes Again - Bowing To Emporer of Japan - 11/14/2009 3:08:56 PM
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You are missing the point. The POTUS does not bow to foreign heads of states. Please stop making this into something silly. He is prostrating himself and embarrassing the US with his lack of understanding of protocol.
I thought the pioint of the thread is " I don't like Obama" That's usually the point of these kind of threads.
I think Obama should've slapped him with his glove and yelled "Remember Pearl Harbor!!," being from Hawaii and all.
No, the point of this thread is that the incompetent person who is the POTUS has once again crossed a line of acceptable behavior on foreign soil. We are citizens not subjects. There was a war fought to free us from bowing to foreign leaders. We don't bow to our own leaders.
It's this simple. All this outrage, whether real or feigned, about every little move Obama makes and every little word he speaks works only to make Obama opponents look silly. Then if you have some real issue to bring up and some valid point to make, it's like "Oh there they go again" and you'll find that nobody's taking you seriously, which would be a shame. It's a little like the boy who cried wolf....
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RE: There He Goes Again - Bowing To Emporer of Japan - 11/14/2009 3:30:25 PM
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ORIGINAL: StephK
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ORIGINAL: AmandaRadarRanger
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ORIGINAL: StephK
You are missing the point. The POTUS does not bow to foreign heads of states. Please stop making this into something silly. He is prostrating himself and embarrassing the US with his lack of understanding of protocol.
I thought the pioint of the thread is " I don't like Obama" That's usually the point of these kind of threads.
I think Obama should've slapped him with his glove and yelled "Remember Pearl Harbor!!," being from Hawaii and all.
No, the point of this thread is that the incompetent person who is the POTUS has once again crossed a line of acceptable behavior on foreign soil. We are citizens not subjects. There was a war fought to free us from bowing to foreign leaders. We don't bow to our own leaders.
It's this simple. All this outrage, whether real or feigned, about every little move Obama makes and every little word he speaks works only to make Obama opponents look silly. Then if you have some real issue to bring up and some valid point to make, it's like "Oh there they go again" and you'll find that nobody's taking you seriously, which would be a shame. It's a little like the boy who cried wolf....
There are some things that are plain flat wrong for the POTUS to do. Bowing to heads of state is one of them. It's obvious that you do not know your history with the "there he goes again" comment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wi9y5-Vo61w
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RE: There He Goes Again - Bowing To Emporer of Japan - 11/14/2009 3:31:14 PM
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I won't refer to those who oppose him as "racists".
I will wear your slander with pride and distinction.
HMMM... HHHHMMM... HHHHMMM... Barak Hussian Obama HHHMMM... HHHMMM... HHHMMM...
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RE: There He Goes Again - Bowing To Emporer of Japan - 11/14/2009 3:42:21 PM
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There are some things that are plain flat wrong for the POTUS to do. Bowing to heads of state is one of them. It's obvious that you do not know your history with the "there he goes again" comment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wi9y5-Vo61w
Disagree with me all you want, but don't condescend to me. I don't know my history....sheesh!
I lived through 8 years of Reagan. That's some history I wish I didn't know.
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RE: There He Goes Again - Bowing To Emporer of Japan - 11/14/2009 3:44:51 PM
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I won't refer to those who oppose him as "racists".
I will wear your slander with pride and distinction.
HMMM... HHHHMMM... HHHHMMM... Barak Hussian Obama HHHMMM... HHHMMM... HHHMMM...
I didn't "slander" you. My point was don't call people untrue names if you don't like to be called them. From your last sentence it sounds like you need to blow your nose. Then take some reading comprehension classes.
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RE: There He Goes Again - Bowing To Emporer of Japan - 11/14/2009 4:02:37 PM
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There are some things that are plain flat wrong for the POTUS to do. Bowing to heads of state is one of them. It's obvious that you do not know your history with the "there he goes again" comment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wi9y5-Vo61w
Disagree with me all you want, but don't condescend to me. I don't know my history....sheesh!
I lived through 8 years of Reagan. That's some history I wish I didn't know.
This thread is about the POTUS breaking protocol once again. For the record, I started the thread about the Saudi bow so there is precedence for me using Reagan's quote. Obama obviously didn't listen to his advisers in the State Department's Office of Protocol.
Now back to the topic of the thread:
A little bit more history that was from the Clinton almost bow.
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Flashback: NYT blasts Clinton for … almost bowing to Akihito
Both Allahpundit and I referenced this blast from the past at the time Barack Obama bowed to Abdullah earlier this year. It’s worth posting again, not just because Obama pulled another boneheaded protocol violation and bowed to an emperor, but in this case bowed to the same emperor with whom Bill Clinton almost committed the same protocol violation. Douglas Jehr, in a 1994 New York Times report, made it clear that had Clinton actually executed a full bow, it would have destroyed a precedent dating to the founding of the Republic:
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