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The Republican Party That Nobody Likes - 11/7/2009 2:03:11 AM
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huangshan
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So there's this poll.
It shows a lot of important things. Let's start with this:
Barack Obama approval:
(fav, unfav, no opinion)
ALL 55 38 7
MEN 45 50 5
WOMEN 65 26 9
DEM 88 5 7
REP 5 93 2
IND 54 36 10
OTHER 50 39 11
NON VOTE 62 29 9
WHITE 46 47 7
BLACK 88 5 7
LATINO 67 25 8
OTH/REF 69 24 7
18-29 80 14 6
30-44 43 48 9
45-59 64 30 6
60+ 39 55 6
NE 83 6 11
SOUTH 27 70 3
MW 61 31 8
WEST 59 33 8
REST OF USA 67 25 8
What does this indicate? I think the biggest thing in terms of elections is that despite the orgy of hate that surrounds talk of Obama in many circles, that's largely a regional thing. Basically the South doesn't like Obama, and that drags his numbers down quite a bit. The rest of America seems to like him just fine. Also importantly, independents seem to think he's at least doing okay, with a 54% favorability rating and only 36% not liking him.
Super.
But this thread is about Republicans, and why nobody likes them. So I'll talk about Democrats first:
Democratic Party:
ALL 42 50 8
MEN 33 58 9
WOMEN 51 42 7
DEM 74 19 7
REP 4 93 3
IND 38 55 7
OTHER 34 58 8
NON VOTE 42 40 18
WHITE 33 61 6
BLACK 75 13 12
LATINO 52 32 16
OTH/REF 55 31 14
18-29 58 33 9
30-44 28 61 11
45-59 49 46 5
60+ 40 53 7
NE 63 27 10
SOUTH 22 70 8
MW 45 46 9
WEST 45 49 6
Mediocre numbers, right?
Here are the numbers for the Republican Party:
ALL 23 66 11
MEN 32 59 9
WOMEN 14 73 13
DEM 5 92 3
REP 77 8 15
IND 11 75 14
OTHER 13 74 13
NON VOTE 7 78 15
WHITE 30 58 12
BLACK 4 91 5
LATINO 7 80 13
OTH/REF 4 83 13
18-29 7 88 5
30-44 38 49 13
45-59 18 72 10
60+ 20 66 14
NE 7 87 6
SOUTH 51 35 14
MW 12 76 12
WEST 14 75 11
Ouch. Nobody likes the Republicans. I think the most telling things are these tidbits:
Democratic Party:
NE 63 27 10
SOUTH 22 70 8
MW 45 46 9
WEST 45 49 6
Republican Party:
NE 7 87 6
SOUTH 51 35 14
MW 12 76 12
WEST 14 75 11
Look at that. 7. 12. 14. Those numbers are incredibly low. The GOP is a tiny regional party already, based on approval.
And look at this:
GOP:
IND 11 75 14
18-29 7 88 5
Independent voters and young'uns just hate Republicans. Those are important demographics, for upcoming elections and the future of the country. I don't think I need to tell people about the trends regarding social issues like gay marriage, which has been a useful wedge issue in the past.
The GOP is barely treading water. I see a lot of people saying it's because it's not conservative enough. I think that's crazy. I think people are rejecting "conservative" ideas as society becomes more cosmopolitan and more globalized.
The GOP is failing no matter how you look at it. Why? What do you think the future holds for the party, and politics in America in general?
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RE: The Republican Party That Nobody Likes - 11/7/2009 2:18:37 AM
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sue244
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Republican and Conservative are not necessarily the same thing. More people are conservative in this country then are Liberal.
You can pull from an extremely left wing blog to try to prove your point but they are of course going to take the most extreme numbers.
Here is what Gallup Says about conservatives vs liberals
40% of Americans call themselves Conservativel link
Gallup also has his approval rating at 52 with disapproval rating at 42% as of Nov 6th.
With the election of a Republican Governor in New Jersey I would say that you are jumping the gun just a bit on the death of the Republican Party. And if New York is any indication if the GOP dies a more conservative party will take its place.
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RE: The Republican Party That Nobody Likes - 11/7/2009 2:44:12 AM
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huangshan
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quote:
ORIGINAL: sue244
Republican and Conservative are not necessarily the same thing. More people are conservative in this country then are Liberal.
You can pull from an extremely left wing blog to try to prove your point but they are of course going to take the most extreme numbers.
Here is what Gallup Says about conservatives vs liberals
40% of Americans call themselves liberal link
Gallup also has his approval rating at 52 with disapproval rating at 42% as of Nov 6th.
With the election of a Republican Governor in New Jersey I would say that you are jumping the gun just a bit on the death of the Republican Party. And if New York is any indication if the GOP dies a more conservative party will take its place.
The numbers I posted pretty much speak for themselves. If people aren't rejecting "conservative" ideas, why are people rejecting the supposed conservative party? Why are so many more identifying with the Democrats? In the New York race, the conservative candidate lost. That's not saying much for the viability of the conservative movement.
The approval rating of 50-something percent doesn't really matter all that much if all the negative sentiment is coming from a small geographic area with limited election effect. Hence the problem (from the GOP perspective) of the party becoming a small regional party.
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RE: The Republican Party That Nobody Likes - 11/7/2009 3:08:53 AM
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tacitus
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In the New York race, the conservative candidate lost...
... for the first time in 150 years (in a large part of the district)!!
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RE: The Republican Party That Nobody Likes - 11/7/2009 6:46:05 AM
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The website was started by a Democrat, how can the numbers speak for themselves. As with any site, votes will be based on the audience that uses a site.
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RE: The Republican Party That Nobody Likes - 11/7/2009 6:53:18 AM
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What I find to be a consistent theme is that no matter how low the Democrats in Congress are, the GOP is lower. I've put up a few polls and places that had several polls that show this.
I haven't done what Huangshan has mentioned and looked at it from a regional standpoint. Taking him at his word it really doesn't matter what the approval rating is overall or how the vote would go overall, it is all about the electors. If 51% of the people vote GOP in states that represent 40% of the electors it is a GOP loss.
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RE: The Republican Party That Nobody Likes - 11/7/2009 7:36:41 AM
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93% of republicans dislike Obama.
88% of democrats like Obama.
So more democrats dislike Obama than republicans like him.
93% of republicans dislike the deomcratic party.
74% of democrats like the democratic party
4% of republicans like the democratic party. 19% of democrats dislike their party.
8% of republicans dislike their party. 5% of democrats like the republican party
So, 5% of democrats like the republican party. 4% of republicans like the democratic party. 8% of the republicans dislike their party. 19% of democrats dislike their party.
More democrats like the republican party than republicans like the democratic party. More democrats dislike their party than republicans dislike their party.....
so what was your point again?
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RE: The Republican Party That Nobody Likes - 11/7/2009 7:40:31 AM
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The website was started by a Democrat, how can the numbers speak for themselves. As with any site, votes will be based on the audience that uses a site.
This was not an unscientific web poll. If you look at the bottom of the page, they give details about how many people were called and what they were asked.
-Dan.
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RE: The Republican Party That Nobody Likes - 11/7/2009 7:42:52 AM
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More democrats like the republican party than republicans like the democratic party. More democrats dislike their party than republicans dislike their party.....
The point was that a lot of people don't like the Republican party. Those who do are mostly older and mostly from the South.
All you've shown is that Republicans have more party loyalty. I don't think that's particularly surprising.
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RE: The Republican Party That Nobody Likes - 11/7/2009 7:44:07 AM
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ORIGINAL: humbleinspirit
The website was started by a Democrat, how can the numbers speak for themselves. As with any site, votes will be based on the audience that uses a site.
This was not an unscientific web poll. If you look at the bottom of the page, they give details about how many people were called and what they were asked.
-Dan.
Methodology
A total of 2400 adults nationally were interviewed by telephone. A cross-section of calls was made into each state in the country in order to reflect the adult population nationally.
The margin for error, according to standards customarily used by statisticians, is no more than plus or minus 2% percentage points. This means that there is a 95 percent probability that the “true” figure would fall within that range if the entire adult population were sampled. The margin for error is higher for any demographic subgroup, such as gender, race, or region.
Ok, I stand corrected!  , with that said, there still has to be some bias with the poll though. Most polls are biased in some way or another.
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RE: The Republican Party That Nobody Likes - 11/7/2009 9:11:51 AM
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That poll could be misleading. I used to be a Republican, and I no longer like the party as a whole. The reason I've pulled away is that the Republican party has become too liberal. If the party would go back to its roots, I think the numbers would be a lot better.
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RE: The Republican Party That Nobody Likes - 11/7/2009 10:05:05 AM
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sue244
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In the New York race, the conservative candidate lost...
... for the first time in 150 years (in a large part of the district)!!
Correction the GOP lost for the first time in 150 years and that could have something to do with the fact that the GOP candidate pulled out of the race, and was more liberal then the democrat and was forced out of the Race.
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RE: The Republican Party That Nobody Likes - 11/7/2009 10:59:28 AM
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ORIGINAL: sue244
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ORIGINAL: tacitus
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In the New York race, the conservative candidate lost...
... for the first time in 150 years (in a large part of the district)!!
Correction the GOP lost for the first time in 150 years and that could have something to do with the fact that the GOP candidate pulled out of the race, and was more liberal then the democrat and was forced out of the Race.
The conservative candidate also lost.
-Dan.
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RE: The Republican Party That Nobody Likes - 11/7/2009 11:04:53 AM
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But the conservative candidate made a far better showing than he had a right to since nobody knew him as of 30 days out from the election.....
And yeah, I think 20 and 25 percentage point swings in VA and NJ prove quite well that there is still appeal in conservatism....
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RE: The Republican Party That Nobody Likes - 11/7/2009 11:20:02 AM
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I am so sick of people people religiously criticizing one political party while completely ignoring every fault that their particular party has. Why can't we all just accept that BOTH parties have very serious issues, and are corrupt to the core? When a Republican massively screws things up for our country, the Democrats come in and chant "Change! Change!" while continuing everything the Republicans did, and more. When the Democrats come in and massively screw things up for our country, the Republicans come in and say "Change! Change! Less government!" etc. while continuing everything the Democrats did and more, all the while increasing the scope and reach of the government. Call me what you will, but the these politicians, who claim to be ideological enemies, fight on camera and in front of the American public. But when they are behind closed doors they are patting each other on the backs and toasting each other.
We have so many people on this forum who have nothing to say unless it is in defense of "their" party or an attack against the other party. Wow, people. This reminds me of this Scripture:
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To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everybody else,
Jesus told this parable:"Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector.
The Pharisee stood up and prayed about himself: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other men--robbers, evil-
doers, adulterers--or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.' But the tax
collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, 'God, have mercy
on me, a sinner.' I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who
exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted." (Luke 18: 9-14)
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Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy
and pleasing to God--this is your spiritual act of worship. Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world,
but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is--his
good, pleasing and perfect will. For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more
highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the measure of faith
God has given you. (Romans 12: 1-3)
Now which one of these two people do we want to be?
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RE: The Republican Party That Nobody Likes - 11/7/2009 11:38:17 AM
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ORIGINAL: tacitus
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In the New York race, the conservative candidate lost...
... for the first time in 150 years (in a large part of the district)!!
Correction the GOP lost for the first time in 150 years and that could have something to do with the fact that the GOP candidate pulled out of the race, and was more liberal then the democrat and was forced out of the Race.
The conservative candidate also lost.
-Dan.
While still getting 45.2% of the vote. That's impressive for an unknown candidate no matter how you cut it. Like I said if the GOP does go the way of the Whigs, Federalist, etc. Conservatives will rise up with another party.
Conservatism is alive and well in the US.
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RE: The Republican Party That Nobody Likes - 11/7/2009 11:43:09 AM
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While still getting 45.2% of the vote. That's impressive for an unknown candidate no matter how you cut it. Like I said if the GOP does go the way of the Whigs, Federalist, etc. Conservatives will rise up with another party.
Conservatism is alive and well in the US.
They mystery to me is why it hasn't already happened.
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RE: The Republican Party That Nobody Likes - 11/7/2009 12:00:03 PM
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A lot of conservatives are rather annoyed at the Republican party right now, while the Democrats are riding high on their adherents being thrilled about Obama and his election. Most conservatives self-identify as conservative, not necessarily as Republicans (especially these days, and me included).
Why is this surprising?
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RE: The Republican Party That Nobody Likes - 11/7/2009 12:23:21 PM
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A lot of conservatives are rather annoyed at the Republican party right now
 In recent years the party has become too democrat lite, particularly in it's actions of growing government. Having said that, If one must choose, I'll take principle over popularity any day.
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RE: The Republican Party That Nobody Likes - 11/7/2009 6:11:12 PM
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Conservatism is alive and well in the US.
To be honest, I wouldn't take that particular election as being indicative of anything. That district is basically all of the rural areas of central and northern NY, right about where I grew up. The area is literally falling apart. There's a reason it's the largest congressional district in the state - there are no people there.
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RE: The Republican Party That Nobody Likes - 11/7/2009 8:26:28 PM
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The point was that a lot of people don't like the Republican party
The republicans like their party.
More democrats like the republican party than republicans like the democratic party.
I don't see this great hatred for the republican party.
Young people and women tend to vote democratic anyways...and minorities...niothing new here.
The biggest influence upon that northern NY state district has been the influx of people from Ft. Drum after its expansion in the 80's.
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The point was that a lot of people don't like the Republican party. Those who do are mostly older and mostly from the South.
Yeah, those racist southerners......and the truth is, most conservatives are rural while most liberals are urban. I'd like to see if these 2400 people polled ( what percentage of the 300 million + is that?? ) were predominantly urban people or not.
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There's a reason it's the largest congressional district in the state - there are no people there.
...and there never has been. It has always been economically challenged. Its why they wanted to expand Ft. Drum, to bring in some form of economic base. It did not help the area. I grew up there as well.
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RE: The Republican Party That Nobody Likes - 11/7/2009 9:04:17 PM
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I think it's right that America is largely rejecting conservatism, and particularly the Republican party. But that might just be because I'm in the 18-29 group. =p
In very broad strokes, the conservative/Republican stance is rather exclusionary. The liberal/Democrat stance is rather inclusionary. The idea of exclusion is becoming appalling to the modern American.
The Republican party is already in dire straits. It will be interesting to see how things turn out in ten, twenty, thirty years.
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RE: The Republican Party That Nobody Likes - 11/7/2009 9:37:33 PM
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The repub party or dem party are nothing they are setting the stage for the antichrist. both parties in their own way is sinking the us. by the way this could be getting close to the rapture.
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RE: The Republican Party That Nobody Likes - 11/7/2009 9:49:20 PM
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That's pretty melancholy.
I don't see any signs that the US is sinking.
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