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TIZA, an American Public Muslim school - 4/9/2008 11:35:39 AM
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Jhud
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Interesting article in today's Minneapolis Startribune regarding the running of Tarek ibn Ziyad Academy (TIZA), a K-8 charter school in Minnesota.
Charter schools are public schools that tend to be focused on a a particular theme or mission. They are publicly funded, and run under most of the rules of operation that public schools do.
In the case of TIZA, it seems to be running a specifically religious school under the guise of a charter school. Katherine Kersten, the reporter who wrote the article, details the following:
TIZA has many characteristics that suggest a religious school. It shares the headquarters building of the Muslim American Society of Minnesota, whose mission is "establishing Islam in Minnesota." The building also houses a mosque. TIZA's executive director, Asad Zaman, is a Muslim imam, or religious leader, and its sponsor is an organization called Islamic Relief.
Students pray daily, the cafeteria serves halal food - permissible under Islamic law -- and "Islamic Studies" is offered at the end of the school day.
Zaman maintains that TIZA is not a religious school. He declined, however, to allow me to visit the school to see for myself, "due to the hectic schedule for statewide testing." But after I e-mailed him that the Minnesota Department of Education had told me that testing would not begin for several weeks, Zaman did not respond -- even to urgent calls and e-mails seeking comment before my first column on TIZA.
She further writes about the experiences of a substitute at that school:
Arriving on a Friday, the Muslim holy day, she [the substitute] says she was told that the day's schedule included a "school assembly" in the gym after lunch.
Before the assembly, she says she was told, her duties would include taking her fifth-grade students to the bathroom, four at a time, to perform "their ritual washing."
Afterward, Getz said, "teachers led the kids into the gym, where a man dressed in white with a white cap, who had been at the school all day," was preparing to lead prayer. Beside him, another man "was prostrating himself in prayer on a carpet as the students entered."
"The prayer I saw was not voluntary," Getz said. "The kids were corralled by adults and required to go to the assembly where prayer occurred."
I think it's rather obvious that if this were a charter school promoting Christian religious activities, the ACLU and the state of Minnesota would close it so fast that it would never have appeared to have been open. But officials seem to have been rather indifferent to the running of TIZA.
And why is this? I think it really comes down to the liberal/politically correct mindset. In the liberal mind Christianity represents repression, authoritarianism, narrow mindedness, and the like. It is the enemy to be fought.
On the other hand, other religions expand our horizons, challenge the hegemony of western culture and values, and represent the voice of the minority. It is good to encourage their activity and freedom.
And as a result, different rules are applied; we can expect, that Minnesota, a very liberal state, will continue to tolerate TIZA just as it is.
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RE: TIZA, an American Public Muslim school - 4/9/2008 1:12:18 PM
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They are publicly funded, and run under most of the rules of operation that public schools do.
Hmmmmmmmm, interesting.
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RE: TIZA, an American Public Muslim school - 4/9/2008 2:21:40 PM
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Interesting article in today's Minneapolis Startribune regarding the running of Tarek ibn Ziyad Academy (TIZA), a K-8 charter school in Minnesota.
Y'all got some funny ways of doing things up there in the frozen tundra.
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RE: TIZA, an American Public Muslim school - 4/9/2008 3:09:53 PM
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Y'all got some funny ways of doing things up there in the frozen tundra.
I believe it's commonly known as 'Minnesota nice'.
It's why we have a Muslim congressman, Islamic taxi drivers who tell us what we can carry with us in the cab, and the grocery store clerks who tell us we can't eat ham, and why we provide Muslim students with Mosques at our public colleges.
So this isn't all that suprising.
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RE: TIZA, an American Public Muslim school - 4/9/2008 3:38:07 PM
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Here's their home page:
http://www.tizacademy.com/
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Tarek ibn Ziyad Academy seeks to provide students with a learning environment that recognizes and appreciates the traditions, histories, civilizations and accomplishments of Africa, Asia and the Middle East. Tarek ibn Ziyad Academy seeks to nurture the innate human values of brotherhood, equality, justice, compassion and peace.
As an inspiration to our students, we have named our school after Tarek Ibn Ziyad, the Ummayad administrator of medieval Spain. Thirteen hundred years ago, serving in the multifaceted roles of activist, leader, explorer, teacher, administrator and peacemaker, he inspired his fellow citizens to the same striving for human greatness that we hope to instill in our students today.
Tarek ibn Ziyad Academy can process H-1 visa applications on behalf of qualified applicants.
Hmmm.... I have some mixed feelings on it... yes, I think that all religious aspects should be kept separate from educational- but some of it I have no problem with. Having a halal menu, giving time for ritual washings, and having after school muslim activities (not school sponsored) would makes sense if in an area with a high population of muslim students... just like I would expect some schools have a kosher menu and when I was in school, every wed and friday was meatless... Because non-muslims can eat halal food, so it isn't restrictive.
I know in my area there is a fairly small muslim population, but they tend to not enroll their kids in the public schools because there are just too many challenges (same with other strict religions). Once the cyber charters started, however, many flocked to them, because they could be in the public school system without the problems associated with a public school. Soooo.... I can see why a district that was losing muslim students would want to do this.
But I would of course want and expect strict compliance to the separation of religous content during school activities (though breaks for prayers would be okay if not mandatory).
From this article, I read a few things I am fine with, a few I am not sure of...
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RE: TIZA, an American Public Muslim school - 4/9/2008 3:39:57 PM
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How stupid can we can get? Please let us have a Goverment funded Christian school, atleast it would be the truth.
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RE: TIZA, an American Public Muslim school - 4/9/2008 3:45:27 PM
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Y'all got some funny ways of doing things up there in the frozen tundra.
I believe it's commonly known as 'Minnesota nice'.
It's why we have a Muslim congressman, Islamic taxi drivers who tell us what we can carry with us in the cab, and the grocery store clerks who tell us we can't eat ham, and why we provide Muslim students with Mosques at our public colleges.
So this isn't all that suprising.
So the Twin Cities: Shiite and Sunni? SWhatever happened to the wrestling governor you had? Jesse "the Body" Ventura?
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RE: TIZA, an American Public Muslim school - 4/9/2008 3:49:10 PM
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So the Twin Cities: Shiite and Sunni?
We try to keep the Sunnis in St. Paul, the Shia in Minneapolis. Once a year we have them fight it out in the Metrodome just to relieve tension. It's great fun.
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Whatever happened to the wrestling governor you had? Jesse "the Body" Ventura?
He came in second place to Al Franken in the Last Comic Standing contest.
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RE: TIZA, an American Public Muslim school - 4/9/2008 3:52:50 PM
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Whatever happened to the wrestling governor you had? Jesse "the Body" Ventura?
He came in second place to Al Franken in the Last Comic Standing contest.
Second to Al Franken? You're funnier than Al Franken. ventura should move to CA and run against Ahnold. I'd watch that debate.
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RE: TIZA, an American Public Muslim school - 4/9/2008 3:59:24 PM
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Second to Al Franken? You're funnier than Al Franken. ventura should move to CA and run against Ahnold. I'd watch that debate.
Well it may be Al Franken's lack of humor that drove him to politics. I wonder, were he to get elected, would they parody him on SNL? Is that even possible?
As far as Ventura, word is he has gone off the deep end (farther?) and has now joined the 9/11 conspiracy folks. And sadly, that's no joke.
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RE: TIZA, an American Public Muslim school - 4/9/2008 4:27:11 PM
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Second to Al Franken? You're funnier than Al Franken. ventura should move to CA and run against Ahnold. I'd watch that debate.
Well it may be Al Franken's lack of humor that drove him to politics. I wonder, were he to get elected, would they parody him on SNL? Is that even possible?
Hmmm... maybe his foray into politics is just one big satirical act?!? Maybe he is a comedic genius after all....?
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RE: TIZA, an American Public Muslim school - 4/9/2008 4:47:29 PM
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Hmmm... maybe his foray into politics is just one big satirical act?!? Maybe he is a comedic genius after all....?
Him - I never thought of that - sort of like The Prestige, except instead of incorprating his magic act into his everyday life, he has become the skit. Fascinating possibility; Saturday Night Life.
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RE: TIZA, an American Public Muslim school - 4/9/2008 8:48:07 PM
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Wow, even up here in Liberal Canada (Liberal Ontario to be more specific) we managed to vote against publicly funded religious schools.
I live in a Muslim neighbourhood, and I would not be against our local schools serving halal food in the cafeteria, or even providing a prayer space for students. But assemblies for prayer, and copying the Quran from the board is a little too much for me.
I'm not familiar with publicly funded charter schools...do parents choose to send their kids there, or do you go there if you live within a certain radius?
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RE: TIZA, an American Public Muslim school - 4/9/2008 10:27:47 PM
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I think it's rather obvious that if this were a charter school promoting Christian religious activities, the ACLU and the state of Minnesota would close it so fast that it would never have appeared to have been open. But officials seem to have been rather indifferent to the running of TIZA.
ACLU is on it:
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ACLU-MN opens investigation of Tarek Academy
For Immediate Release
March 18, 2008
After receiving complaints that Tarek ibn Ziyad Academy in Inver Grove Heights is violating the Establishment Clause the ACLU-MN sent a letter to the academy questioning their practices. In the letter that was sent the ACLU-MN questions some of their practices, including addressing allegations that the school sponsors prayer.
Teresa Nelson, an attorney for the ACLU of Minnesota, says "We currently do not have enough facts to state whether or not the school is in violation of the establishment clause. The American Civil Liberties Union is a strong defender of separation of church and state and will take action if we find they are violating the establishment clause."
You can also read the letter that was sent to Tarek Academy.
Here is a list of charter schools in Minnesota.
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RE: TIZA, an American Public Muslim school - 4/9/2008 10:47:29 PM
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Prediction - ACLU will drag it's feet and little will change, because they are ultimately indifferent to the religious activities of Muslims.
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RE: TIZA, an American Public Muslim school - 4/10/2008 1:29:05 AM
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Maybe - or maybe they will do something if their investigation confirms those reports.
Have some patience.
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RE: TIZA, an American Public Muslim school - 4/10/2008 3:56:07 AM
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Prediction - ACLU will drag it's feet and little will change, because they are ultimately indifferent to the religious activities of Muslims.
That's my bet, too.
Funny, I hadn't even heard of this yet. I only live in downtown MPLS. . .
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RE: TIZA, an American Public Muslim school - 4/10/2008 9:57:00 AM
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Wow, even up here in Liberal Canada (Liberal Ontario to be more specific) we managed to vote against publicly funded religious schools.
I live in a Muslim neighbourhood, and I would not be against our local schools serving halal food in the cafeteria, or even providing a prayer space for students. But assemblies for prayer, and copying the Quran from the board is a little too much for me.
I'm not familiar with publicly funded charter schools...do parents choose to send their kids there, or do you go there if you live within a certain radius?
Parents choose to send their children to charter schools- it would be an alternative to their local school. Most often, children from any district in that state can attend, someimtes it is restricted to certain districts, regions, or counties.
The copying of the Quran, I believe was an after school program- though most or all of the kids stay for the "after school" program...
I am concerned about the fact that the buses don't leave until after the "after school" program, though. I can't think of schools around here where the buses stay so kids can participate in any afterschool programs. So I think that is one area where they have crossed the line.
As far as the assembly, that sounded over the line, too, but I don't make judgements based on one person's account.
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RE: TIZA, an American Public Muslim school - 4/10/2008 10:06:44 AM
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Maybe - or maybe they will do something if their investigation confirms those reports.
Have some patience.
Well, it's pretty close to home, I'll keep my eye on it, but I won't hold my breath.
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RE: TIZA, an American Public Muslim school - 4/10/2008 4:50:41 PM
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More on this story here.
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RE: TIZA, an American Public Muslim school - 4/12/2008 9:05:19 PM
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The following is reportedly adapted from Peter Hammond’s new book, Slavery, Terrorism and Islam,
Irrespective of the source of this analysis, its conclusions are historically and empirically supported. As George Santayana wrote: “Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.” Regarding Islam, we don’t have to look back hundreds of years to learn from history. All we need do is look at what has happened in Great Britain over the past three decades.
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Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system. Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components. The religious component is a beard for all the other components. Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called "religious rights." When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to "the reasonable" Muslim demands for their "religious rights," they also get the other components under the table. Here's how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).
As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:
United States -- Muslim 1.0%
Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
China -- Muslim 1%-2%
Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
Norway -- Muslim 1.8%
At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:
Denmark -- Muslim 2%
Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
Spain -- Muslim 4%
Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%
From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.
They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. (United States).
France -- Muslim 8%
Philippines -- Muslim 5%
Sweden -- Muslim 5%
Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions (Paris -- car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats (Amsterdam -- Mohammed cartoons).
Guyana -- Muslim 10%
India -- Muslim 13.4%
Israel -- Muslim 16%
Kenya -- Muslim 10%
Russia -- Muslim 10-15%
After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:
Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%
At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:
Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%
From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:
Albania -- Muslim 70%
Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
Sudan -- Muslim 70%
After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:
Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
Egypt -- Muslim 90%
Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
Iran -- Muslim 98%
Iraq -- Muslim 97%
Jordan -- Muslim 92%
Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
Palestine -- Muslim 99%
Syria -- Muslim 90%
Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%
100% will usher in the peace of "Dar-es-Salaam" -- the Islamic House of Peace -- there's supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:
Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
Somalia -- Muslim 100%
Yemen -- Muslim 99.9%
Of course, that's not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons.
"Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; and the tribe against the world and all of us against the infidel. -- Leon Uris, "The Haj"
It is good to remember that in many, many countries, such as France, the Muslim populations are centered around ghettos based on their ethnicity. Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. Therefore, they exercise more power than their national average would indicate.
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RE: TIZA, an American Public Muslim school - 8/5/2008 9:43:01 AM
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Education Department findings on Tarek ibn Ziyad Academy contradict published reports
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The Minnesota Department of Education released findings in the review of Tarek ibn Ziyad Academy (TIZA), the majority Muslim elementary school that became a target of conservative Star Tribune columnist Katherine Kersten. She claimed that TIZA was "an Islamic school, funded by Minnesota taxpayers" and that its activities violated separation of church and state concerns.
MDE conducted several visits to the school, one of which was unannounced, and found (pdf) that many of the media and blog claims were inaccurate. In a press release Monday, the department said, "MDE has determined that, with regard to the areas reviewed, most of TIZA's operations are in compliance with state and federal law."
The report found two changes that TIZA would need to make in order to be in full compliance with separation of church and state concerns. It needs to offer bus service at the end of the school day as opposed to at the end of after-school activities (students can participate in sectarian or nonsectarian after-school programming) and it needs to hold Friday afternoon voluntary prayer sessions at a location off school grounds.
And yet the ALCU remains vigilant:
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For Immediate Release
May 23, 2008
St. Paul, Minn. - The American Civil Liberties Union of Minnesota thanks the Minnesota Department of Education for concluding their investigation of Tarek ibn Zayad Academy charter school and reporting their findings in a timely fashion.
The Minnesota Department of Education has completed its investigation and has identified two areas where TiZA's current practices violate the Establishment Clause. Although we believe that the MDE has taken some important steps to address Establishment Clause concerns that have been raised by the school's activities, the ACLU-MN has remaining concerns about the school's practices that were not addressed in the MDE findings. For that reason, we are continuing our investigation into this matter.
In addition to our investigation of TiZA, we are also working to identify systemic issues that may be paving the way for constitutional violations at charter schools.
Just like how everything should work. It's just sad that so much hate was flinged towards this school's way on the internet when the violations were not as big as they were first thought.
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RE: TIZA, an American Public Muslim school - 8/5/2008 10:52:56 AM
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Just like how everything should work. It's just sad that so much hate was flinged towards this school's way on the internet when the violations were not as big as they were first thought.
Actually, it is exactly as I said in my first post:
And as a result, different rules are applied; we can expect, that Minnesota, a very liberal state, will continue to tolerate TIZA just as it is.
The 'Minnesota Monitor is a liberal rag which continues to completely ignore the clear religious association of TIZa. In fact, the name TIZA is short for Tarek ibn Ziyad Academy - the school was named for the Muslim conqueror iof Spain! It would be the equivalent of naming a public school St. Francis Academy.
One interesting note, at the end of the article, of course over looked, was this:
In reporting on the findings by MDE, a KSTP camera crew visited the school Monday morning after repeated requests for comment went unreturned. The crew were told by police that the school's officials were "unhappy" that the camera crew was there, and officials forcibly took the camera from the camera crew and waited for police to arrive. Police are considering charges of assault against school officials and trespassing against the camera crew as they investigate the incident.
Yeah, that sounds like a readily accessible public school.
I just find it odd that of all the religious endeavors in our country to defend, the one liberals insist on defending, is the most repressive, anti-American, anti-liberty religion conceivable.
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RE: TIZA, an American Public Muslim school - 8/5/2008 1:54:26 PM
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And as a result, different rules are applied; we can expect, that Minnesota, a very liberal state, will continue to tolerate TIZA just as it is.
What part of 'Minnesota Department of Education has completed its investigation' don't you understand? It 'tolerates' TIZA because it found only two violations, which the school said would be corrected - and if not, further steps could be taken.
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The 'Minnesota Monitor is a liberal rag which continues to completely ignore the clear religious association of TIZa. And the Department of Education is of a similar liberal stripe is it?
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In fact, the name TIZA is short for Tarek ibn Ziyad Academy - the school was named for the Muslim conqueror iof Spain! It would be the equivalent of naming a public school St. Francis Academy. I don't see what the name has to do with anything...is it prohibited to name the school after a military figure?
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In reporting on the findings by MDE, a KSTP camera crew visited the school Monday morning after repeated requests for comment went unreturned. The crew were told by police that the school's officials were "unhappy" that the camera crew was there, and officials forcibly took the camera from the camera crew and waited for police to arrive. Police are considering charges of assault against school officials and trespassing against the camera crew as they investigate the incident.
Yeah, that sounds like a readily accessible public school. Actually it sounds like an overreaction from the school officials and possible trespassing from the camera crew.
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I just find it odd that of all the religious endeavors in our country to defend, the one liberals insist on defending, is the most repressive, anti-American, anti-liberty religion conceivable. Someone has to, before other religions are targeted. In any case, this isn't about defending Islam, it's about defending secularism. I am not on the Muslim's 'side'. I thought if problems existed, then the school could justifiably be criticised and action taken.
Now if problems still exist (what are they again?), then the ACLU or in fact any member of the public can call this to attention, as they did before.
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