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Revival in America - 12/3/2008 11:20:13 PM
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mikekelley
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I think it is time for the church to get ready for the next move of the Holy Spirit. Very few churches in America are experiencing this move of God, however, God is waiting for churches to line up with his word and press in.
I would like to challenge Christians around the world to get ready for the Fire of God to pour out watch the harvest of new souls. In order to do this, you will need to build yourself up in a most holy faith. One place to begin is the word of God. I personally recommend several websites by Pastor Rodney Howard Browne that will really help. First, visit http://www.seeingjesus.com this website will give you valuable insight and teaching. Next, visit http://www.howardbrowne.com
It is time for the church to really get ready and experience all that God has for you!
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RE: Revival in America - 12/4/2008 3:42:35 PM
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I think it is time for the church to get ready for the next move of the Holy Spirit. Very few churches in America are experiencing this move of God, however, God is waiting for churches to line up with his word and press in.
Actually, the "next move of the Holy Spirit" started picking up steam in the 1980s. It's a new reformation, a fresh commitment of God's people to embrace and apply God's Word in an area that the church had been neglecting for centuries.
You may have heard of kwashikor, a nutritional disease caused by lack of protein. Sufferers are chronically, desperately, hungry, no matter how much they stuff themselves on fruits and starches. This is the condition of the American church today. 90% of us are supporting an alien, rival, and hostile faith with donations and sacrificial offerings far more precious than mere money. Too many of us are donating our children to this anti-Christian faith.
Having willingly handed over our future, our children, and our brains to secular humanism, we sense a desperate lack within ourselves. Like a rat with poison burning in its bowels, we rush desperately from one filthy puddle to another, frantically trying to slake that thirst. Each new "wave of the Spirit" ups the ante a bit. "Holy laughter" escalates into animal noises, convulsions, and hours-long chanting sessions.
Going back to my original metaphor, the "Lakeland" stuff represents a desperate attempt to replace obedience with experiences. To cure kwashikor with bananas instead of beefsteaks.
It's interesting, but Rick Joyner pointed out how "revivals" usually leave churches worse off afterward. Charles Finney's "evangelistic" bag of tricks resulted in whole regions that were hardened against the gospel, and fertile nurseries for cults. Joyner ascribes the American War Between the States to misdirected "revival" fire. And you know, as little as I regard this gentleman, I really believe he has a valid insight, here.
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RE: Revival in America - 12/4/2008 4:31:30 PM
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The only thing that will bring true revival is true repentance.
Starting with the folks who call themselves Christians and then spreading.
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RE: Revival in America - 12/4/2008 4:40:07 PM
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The only thing that will bring true revival is true repentance.
Every generation, God calls upon us to repent of some specific unbiblical practice. He doesn't care how high we bounce, how loudly we howl, how abundantly we foam at the mouth, how many hours we gibber nonsense, or repetitively chant our mantras -- if we refuse Him the obedience He is calling us to. God's people in America have no excuse for supporting secular humanism. The facts are available, obvious even to non-Christians with eyes to see. Repentance releases resources and blessings.
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RE: Revival in America - 12/4/2008 4:54:04 PM
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The only thing that will bring true revival is true repentance.
Starting with the folks who call themselves Christians and then spreading.
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Right on RC.
And welcome to the forums Mike.
I suggest who check out whom you follow after.
RHB isn't the best source to get your information.
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RE: Revival in America - 12/4/2008 4:57:23 PM
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Having willingly handed over our future, our children, and our brains to secular humanism, we sense a desperate lack within ourselves. Like a rat with poison burning in its bowels, we rush desperately from one filthy puddle to another, frantically trying to slake that thirst.
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This is the condition of the American church today. 90% of us are supporting an alien, rival, and hostile faith with donations and sacrificial offerings far more precious than mere money. Too many of us are donating our children to this anti-Christian faith.
Revival IS coming....from the younger generation....from people like this:
http://cbs11tv.com/local/rhodes.scholar.steven.2.871614.html
Hammer is a senior Classics major at Princeton University in New Jersey. He serves in the Army Reserve Officers' Training Corps. He is a campus leader in the Presbyterian ministry and plans to pursue a master's in theology.
He was valedictorian of Newman Smith High School in Carrollton in 2005 and will graduate from Princeton in 2009.
What do you know? A rhodes scholar.....a theology major going into ministry (actually, he's already in the "ministry"!!!)!....it's PARENTING at it's finest!....
and, GHAST! He's even from a public high school (just down the street from my house!)
now..i thought that public high school grads were not supposed to be doing CRAZY things like this! (at our area PUBLIC high schools, the list of students who have "committed" to attending Christian colleges and universities for fall next year is, AGAIN, astounding!...i have only been getting involved with "high school" stuff for the past 3 years, as my oldest is only 10).....perhaps parents AND students onto something here....how can this BE??? aren't all those public high school grads supposed to end up as "Christian dropouts"????.....again....depends on the PARENTS.....and, the support the church gives those parents...
I know that the hundreds of high schoolers who are in our church's youth group (especially those in youth choir...wow, what a great bunch of kids!), are ON FIRE to "serve the Lord"....and they do.....every day....(regardless of where they happen to go to school)
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RE: Revival in America - 12/4/2008 6:50:25 PM
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Sigh.
I guess the rest of the world will just have to do without God's favour, His call, or even very much of His attention for now.
Everybody knows that God likes America best.
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The ethnocentrism of Americans never ceases to amaze me... although it doesn't surprise me any more, really.
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RE: Revival in America - 12/4/2008 7:46:34 PM
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The ethnocentrism of Americans never ceases to amaze me... although it doesn't surprise me any more, really.
Sad, but true. The people who scream the loudest about how negatrends in America must mean the end of the world are blind to the explosive progress of the Gospel in the "Global South." (Personally, I'm praying that Islam will "hit the wall" real soon. May God grant that we are ready when the door of opportunity opens!)
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RE: Revival in America - 12/5/2008 6:54:46 PM
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I have heard it said the only reason we don't have revival is because we are content to live without it....
There is no need for Satan to move against us in an overt way, when we are already cooperating so eagerly with his plans for our elimination. This also, perhaps, explains our apathy and impotence as a coherent culture.
I want to be in on what God is up to. Reformations tend to be scholarly movements that change the course of history forever, and take a century or two to work out new implications of the gospel. Revivals (at least, the ones we manufacture) tend to be sporadic emotional orgasms that leave things worse than they found them.
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RE: Revival in America - 12/6/2008 10:11:30 AM
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Many People assume that a revival will come from inside the church. Although I agree The church will be impacted by the revival It Probably will not come from current church Leaders. If current leadership were doing its job why would you need revival? People would be seeing and hearing the gospel the way it was designed. The reason for revival is people get complacent we loose focus we begin to believe that Christianity is about us and God is a side note. I say bring on the revival and let God Lead his church. However lets pray that we are not blind to this revival as Churches in the past have been.
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RE: Revival in America - 12/6/2008 10:37:42 AM
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Many People assume that a revival will come from inside the church. Although I agree The church will be impacted by the revival It Probably will not come from current church Leaders. If current leadership were doing its job why would you need revival? People would be seeing and hearing the gospel the way it was designed. The reason for revival is people get complacent we loose focus we begin to believe that Christianity is about us and God is a side note. I say bring on the revival and let God Lead his church. However lets pray that we are not blind to this revival as Churches in the past have been.
Agreed, Scripture tells us that Church is for;
(Eph 4:12) For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
(Eph 4:13) Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Most folks ignore the "for the work of the ministry", and think that all they have to do is drop a dollar in the plate on Sunday to please God and be a "Good" Christian..
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RE: Revival in America - 12/6/2008 2:21:57 PM
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Many People assume that a revival will come from inside the church. Although I agree The church will be impacted by the revival It Probably will not come from current church Leaders. If current leadership were doing its job why would you need revival? People would be seeing and hearing the gospel the way it was designed. The reason for revival is people get complacent we loose focus we begin to believe that Christianity is about us and God is a side note. I say bring on the revival and let God Lead his church. However lets pray that we are not blind to this revival as Churches in the past have been.
I would agree since it's also the leadership who are in need of repenting.
If 'revival' begins with repentance, what is it that our Lord demands that His people repent of? What if the problem is not an unwillingness to repent and return to His ways of thinking and acting? But what if the problem is that His people have no idea how to act and think as disciples of Messiah due to centuries deception, confusion, and error which they've been fed, blurring what He really wants and expects? How can a people repent when they don't even know the ways of truth which He demands, especially when those who are currently leading are just as ignorant as the those who they are leading?
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RE: Revival in America - 12/6/2008 4:30:56 PM
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... centuries deception, confusion, and error ...
Well, we pilgrims have seriously regressed in the last 150 years. Ever since we started rendering unto Caesar that which is God's. Generation after generation has had its thought processes crippled by this convenient compromise, bringing us to the point today where 90+% of the kids who've been "handed over" are no longer thinking as Christians, despite the best efforts of parents and churches. Each time another generation was "handed over," a little more of Christian truth was filtered out of the families. As strong evidence of the crippling effects of this betrayal, those who were betrayed have had their cognitive faculties so damaged that they don't even see the damage, and don't even see the harm in handing over their children.
Reformation is underway -- but we have a long ways to go to regain the surrendered ground.
I don't care how loud you scream, how high you bounce, how long you imitate a hyena's chuckle -- if you sacrifice your children to this era's Moloch, your "revival" is fraudulent.
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RE: Revival in America - 12/6/2008 5:04:22 PM
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The bible teaches that there will be a falling away in the end times, not a revival.
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RE: Revival in America - 12/6/2008 5:19:01 PM
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jimr1, wouldn't it be safer to say that you believe that the Scripture doesn't speak of any sort of end times 'revival'/restoration which may bring about a great ingathering? Is it possible that the Scriptures teach both? I have to leave, so I won't be able to clarify other than to ask the question. But I'll explain later.
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RE: Revival in America - 12/7/2008 3:48:48 PM
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Just taking one set of Scriptures, Mal 4:4-6, we are told that the preacher who's God is yud-heh-vah-heh (literal translation of Elijah the prophet) would be sent back to restore the understanding of the 'fathers' to their descendants. Apparently God's people had lost truth/understanding of His Kingdom that was so vital that it threatened to bring about a curse upon the land. When this person begins their ministry, isn't it safe to conclude that with this restoration of lost truth that there will be a move of repentance fromthose claiming to already be followers of Messiah, as well as an influx of new disciples due to the power/ways of God being walked in again? This doesn't have to negate the fact that there is and will be an apostasy by those who refuse to change their ways.
Another Set of Scriptures which describes the both happening at the same time could be Ez. 34:16.
It all comes down to interpretation and whether or not one's interpretation is accurate according to Father's understanding of it. So we should really wait and see.
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RE: Revival in America - 12/8/2008 10:45:32 AM
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God is restoring His Truth to His church. The power of the Holy Spirit was not the only thing lost over the centuries. God's next move may have absolutely nothing to do with "...the Fire of God..."
I believe the next move of the Holy Spirit will be to restore the "gospel to the Circumcised." That was lost in the 2nd and 3rd centuries and officially declared heresy in 325 ad.
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RE: Revival in America - 12/8/2008 11:33:54 AM
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The bible teaches that there will be a falling away in the end times, not a revival.
Try telling that to the African Christians, who have multiplied from single-digit percentages of their continent a century ago, to nearly half of their number today.
Try telling that to the Koreans, who are now sending out missionaries.
Try telling that to Jesus, who fills us with His Spirit so that we can straighten out the nations by preaching, teaching, and baptizing.
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RE: Revival in America - 12/8/2008 11:36:34 AM
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I believe the next move of the Holy Spirit will be to restore the "gospel to the Circumcised."
OK, I'll bite. Is this a different gospel? Does it offer a different means of salvation? How about a different savior? Does it rebuild the wall of partition that Paul said was demolished in Ephesians 2? Does this "gospel" divide asunder what God has joined together, people from all nations in one new Israel?
Enquiring minds want to know!
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RE: Revival in America - 12/8/2008 11:58:15 AM
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RJR - you always want to jump on this. Without getting into the whole law-vs-grace thing which will end up in the one-stop, read Acts 15.1-29 for the start of the gospel to the uncircumcised. Then read Acts 21.18-26 for the gospel to the circumcised. Paul's letters are gospel to the uncircumcised while Hebrews, James, Peter, Jude and John are gospel to the circumcised.
While the underlying doctrines are the same, the outworking is different. It is not a dividing wall, but a distinction which God makes for mutual blessing. (like men and women)
BTW, people from all nations are grafted by faith into the pre-existing Israel. (Rom 11) There is no "new Israel." This is becoming "one new man" just like husband and wife become "one flesh."
How much of God does it take to get a few people to accept the reality of the power of the Holy Spirit?
How much would it take to get the leaders of the historic churches to repent of decisions made 1700 years ago?
Allow me to quote from Catholic theologian Fr. Peter Hocken:
http://www.tjcii.org/userfiles/Image/Vision-And-Story-of-TJCII-Eng.pdf
the second Council will be a gathering of both Jew and Gentile, fully accepting one another within the one
Body of Jesus the Messiah. In such a gathering, the Gentile leaders would recognize the Jewish believers in Jesus (Yeshua), personally and corporately, as an integral part of the Church, and indeed as
those representing the elder brother who has the first place (Rom. 1:16). Since at least the fourth century C. E. the Christian Church has not allowed the expression of a Jewish identity within the Body, excluding
any expression of Jewish identity and prohibiting all forms of Jewish practice by Jewish believers in Jesus, the Son of God. In this vision, the reconciliation of Jewish and Gentile believers would not be simply an acceptance of one another, but of the Gentiles recognizing and honoring the rightful place of the Jews. It would mean
honor instead of contempt, humility in place of pride. The younger brother would honor the elder brother, the firstborn. The Gentiles would heed the warning of Paul: “If you do boast, remember that it is not you that support the root, but the root that supports you.” (Rom. 11: 18). Such a restoration of the Jewish believers to their rightful place would enable them to recover the God-given calling of the Jewish people to be a blessing to the nations. (pg 9)
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the development of TJCII has made clear how essential it is for the initiative that there is a full participation by the historic churches of East and West. To start with, these are the churches originally responsible for the teaching that the Church has replaced Israel, as a result of Israel’s denial of the Lord Jesus. These are the
churches responsible for the outlawing and the disappearance of the Jewish Church. They have therefore an indispensable role in expressing their repentance and grief for these sins against the Jewish people and specifically against the Jewish Church. Ultimately, this role cannot be properly played by anyone except the descendants in faith of those who were more immediately responsible. No other bodies can replace them in an official annulling of the original decisions.(pg 31)
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). He lived in the UK and then moved to the US. While in the US, God began moving in his heart, powerfully to pray for the UK. After a number of years, he moved back to the UK and then the revival started spreading. Most people only know about Evan Roberts of that revival but God was sovereignly moving before Evan appeared on the scene. Of course He was working in Evan's heart, also. 
