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Republicans - rebuildtheparty.com - 11/10/2008 10:38:33 AM
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mavrick
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http://www.rebuildtheparty.com/
After the recent election, politics may be the last thing people want to talk about, but efforts are already underway to seek feedback from grassroots Republicans on how best to move the party forward.
rebuildtheparty.com is one of those efforts. It's hosted by the folks at redstate.com, but it's an open idea listing and voting site, so anyone and everyone is free to join in the conversation. Even if you don't participate, it's interesting reading.
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RE: Republicans - rebuildtheparty.com - 11/10/2008 11:56:24 AM
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What ever we do - Let's not listen to Schwarzenegger!!!
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In the wake of crushing defeats for Republicans in last week’s national elections, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said Sunday that his party should regroup by moving away from some of its core conservative principles and embracing spending on programs that Americans want.
“I think the important thing for the Republican Party is now to also look at other issues that are very important for this country and not to get stuck in ideology,” the governor said in an interview broadcast on CNN. “Let’s go and talk about healthcare reform. Let’s go and . . . fund programs if they’re necessary programs and not get stuck just on the fiscal responsibility.”
Source here
He also believes that the will of the voters and how they spoke on Calif's Prop 8 should be overturned by the courts! There ought to be a way to banish him from the GOP...
Bush and the GOP acting like free spending Democrats DID NOT WORK. A part of the reason for the election was a perception voters had that "conservative" ideology of the past eight years didn't work. What they don't realize is that it was Republican's acting like Democrats that didn't work! Yes, our infrastructure, schools and healthcare needs to be addressed, but in a conservative fiscally responsible way, not by just throwing money at the problems.
Thank you for the link. I will let them know my thinking. However my thinking, and yours, NEEDS to begin at home, with your city, county and state government being called to task by YOU. Let them know who you are and what you think. That's the job we elect them to.
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RE: Republicans - rebuildtheparty.com - 11/10/2008 10:03:38 PM
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Bush and the GOP acting like free spending Democrats DID NOT WORK. A part of the reason for the election was a perception voters had that "conservative" ideology of the past eight years didn't work. What they don't realize is that it was Republican's acting like Democrats that didn't work! Yes, our infrastructure, schools and healthcare needs to be addressed, but in a conservative fiscally responsible way, not by just throwing money at the problems.
Well said.
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RE: Republicans - rebuildtheparty.com - 11/11/2008 8:06:00 AM
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Its easy...do what Reagan did. Don't do what either Bush did.
Its that simple.
The problem is..I don't see a national leader who could be the next Reagan...do you?
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RE: Republicans - rebuildtheparty.com - 11/12/2008 12:00:07 AM
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How should the Republicans rebuild their party?
Well, I am a lifelong Republican who voted for Obama this year. Yeap, my first time ever crossing party lines to vote for a Democrat. What was the problem?
1. I strongly disagree with our foreign and domestic policies.
2. We need to start reaching out to young voters. The age group of 18 to 29 year olds, they voted heavily in favor of Obama.
3. We need to be more inclusive and listen carefully to the issues concerning every facet of life.
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RE: Republicans - rebuildtheparty.com - 11/12/2008 8:13:49 AM
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I looked over the site, and while it's interesting, I don't think it's diagnosed the problems rightly.
Use of technology and the internet is fine, but those aren't the main problems or solutions. The problem was that Republicans left their conservative foundations and tried to seem like Democrats. They went with a candidate they thought those in the center would approve of. Like Schwarseneggar, some want to solve the problem by making it worse.
Most of the things on that site are well and good, but will continue to lead to sorry results if the GOP doesn't return to where it should be.
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RE: Republicans - rebuildtheparty.com - 11/12/2008 10:43:14 AM
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Rebuild the republican party?
It has to start on grassroots level. And it must begin and end with true conservative conviction.
No more superficial pols clamoring and lying for votes to gain power. Heartfelt,innergut convictions, not simply crowd pleasing words from whitewashed pots.
A revolution within all 3 parties (yes,the libertarians) by true patriots of freedom and liberty.
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RE: Republicans - rebuildtheparty.com - 11/12/2008 12:11:15 PM
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The GOP needs to go conservative. There needs to be a clear difference between them and the democrats. They need to stop worrying about the "independents". They need Newt... Reagan is gone... alas. Newt will be able to revive this party if he will run to be the leader of the GOP. Michael Steele is running and he may be OK but I think that Newt would be better.
The GOP came to power on conservatism, they got to Washington and spent more money than the democrats... they forgot how they got there, they forgot what the people who voted them in wanted and they have lost power... BIG TIME. It is simple... return to conservative policy and STAY there. Reduce the size of government, cut spending, lower taxes. Less government is good government.
In this last election cycle we had democrat and democrat-lite to choose from. We had left and center... we need left and right.
The republicans need to stop trying to be bi-partisan. They need to fight for conservative principles and force the issue. If the senate is not filabuster proof... they need to use it all the time. Then people will begin to believe once again that they are conservative and not just politicians who are only interested in power.
The people need to see PRINCIPLES in the GOP.
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RE: Republicans - rebuildtheparty.com - 11/12/2008 3:00:36 PM
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FYI, the GOP has launched an official site to log suggestions, http://www.republicanforareason.com/.
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RE: Republicans - rebuildtheparty.com - 11/12/2008 5:13:59 PM
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The Party needs to address the real concerns of the American people (and mainly if we had a black candidate that would do) - but address real concerns with real answers. As far as healthcare reform - there will be no reform unless we get the 30% of our population that worships their stomach as evidenced by their obesity - there will be no reform until we get these Americans to stop doing that. The real solution to this is real called preachers - preaching the word of Christ if perchance God will rescue these people from their bondage to food. Throwing money into the system isn't going to help. Maybe just get rid of the insurance companies and let doctors and patients work things out between themselves.
With the financial crisis - again - as long as people are faithless (faith in Christ enables people to perceive what is of true worth - i.e. - Christ and the eternal things that He gives)....as long as people are faithless they will continue to worship things and money and get into situations that they can't afford to be in and people will try and sucker them into it.
For illegal and legal aliens - the Latino vote - as long as you are outside of Christ you will remain foolish about how you view your poverty and how you choose to deal with it.
For black people - apparently all that you need for them is to have black skin.
With regards to being more inclusive - we could drop defending marriage and condemning the act of homosexuality (not homosexuals). We could stop pleading for the rights of the unborn children - become murderers. But there is a point where you need to stay where you are and present the good and excellent arguments for your positions. We don't have leaders like this, it seems to me.
Small government and hence more personal freedom instead of giving up your rights by having government take care of you - we desperately need men who can argue these arguments from the word in the power of the Spirit, it seems to me.
Foreign policy? I don't know much about it, but we would do much better in the Muslim countries if we would speak their language, so to speak. Since America was founded by outstanding Christians (and only outstanding Christians will preserve America as she was intended to be)...anyway, we can very easily explain our positions from the Apostles and the Prophets, but because most of our elite hate Christ this isn't going to happen. I think a European approach of a 'balance of power' sort of thing, rather than a Wilsonian approach of asking countries to do the 'morally right thing' is better. It is only common sense to allow countries to maintain their own sense of ambitions and national interests - but to balance them off of each other, rather than have a group of 'superior' and regulatory countries/people dictate to others what is the 'moral thing' to do. I'll skip the global fascism, in other words.
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RE: Republicans - rebuildtheparty.com - 11/12/2008 5:26:06 PM
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Jesus said something to the effect of 'woe to you when all men speak well of you'. It seems to me that we would have to get a lot of people incorporated into Christ if we want to be able to have a conservative platform. I don't really see that happening....I think I will stick with having a lot of people speak badly and wrongly about me and the party.
God bless all abundantly,
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RE: Republicans - rebuildtheparty.com - 11/13/2008 12:03:48 AM
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Here we are telling the Republican Party to be more conservative.........With all due respect, I don't think some of us still quite get it.
Fact: the Republican Party lost by a landslide this year. Unfortunately, even an extreme-far-right-candidate could not of prevented the disillusioned Republicans like me from voting for Obama, let alone beat him in the general election. Here is another daunting fact: the polls showed that approximately 24% of registered Republicans voted for Obama this year and the problem was not McCain being too moderate.
So what was the real problem? The bottom line is there were major issues surrounding the American People such as the Iraq War, the volatile oil prices, the struggling economy, rising college tuitions, healthcare, etc..... The Republican Party lost because the American People went to the polls on election day believing the Republicans were out of touch with these issues that effected their lives. I'm sorry to break the news but our defeat had nothing to do with conservatism (or lack thereof).
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RE: Republicans - rebuildtheparty.com - 11/13/2008 7:57:04 AM
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FYI, the GOP has launched an official site to log suggestions,
This is the problem...leaders lead, they do not take suggestions.
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the Iraq War, the volatile oil prices, the struggling economy, rising college tuitions, healthcare, etc...
You don't understand or agree with conservatism if these were the issues that swayed you to vote for Obama.
The 18-29 vote traditionally goes to the left.
The black vote overwhelmingly votes for liberals.
The probelms with the democrat-lite party that calls itself republican is they tired to get more votes by going in the direction you wanted them to go. We do not need to appease the democrats. We need to be true republicans again. Conservative.
Against abortion and gay marriage.
Support the troops financially and morally. Finish the job in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Scrap any health care national health plan...totally.
Shrink government and lower taxes.
Fight against any socialist attempts by the left to overtake our freedoms.
Be conservative. Any belief that is in the middle of the road..gets run over. We don't need to be more like Obama to win a presidential election. We need to be the opposite.
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RE: Republicans - rebuildtheparty.com - 11/13/2008 8:10:42 AM
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Here we are telling the Republican Party to be more conservative.........With all due respect, I don't think some of us still quite get it. So the GOP should become more liberal? Swing even further to the left like the Dems?
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Fact: the Republican Party lost by a landslide this year. What landslide Johnny? 4% of the vote is far from a landslide.
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RE: Republicans - rebuildtheparty.com - 11/13/2008 4:44:29 PM
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Here we are telling the Republican Party to be more conservative.........With all due respect, I don't think some of us still quite get it.
Fact: the Republican Party lost by a landslide this year. Unfortunately, even an extreme-far-right-candidate could not of prevented the disillusioned Republicans like me from voting for Obama, let alone beat him in the general election. Here is another daunting fact: the polls showed that approximately 24% of registered Republicans voted for Obama this year and the problem was not McCain being too moderate.
So what was the real problem? The bottom line is there were major issues surrounding the American People such as the Iraq War, the volatile oil prices, the struggling economy, rising college tuitions, healthcare, etc..... The Republican Party lost because the American People went to the polls on election day believing the Republicans were out of touch with these issues that effected their lives. I'm sorry to break the news but our defeat had nothing to do with conservatism (or lack thereof).
I'm with stamper_ben, there was no landslide.  The Republican party has been Democrate-lite for the past few years. They have lost touch with conservative principles.
What we need is more people like THIS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pbp0hur9RU&feature=related
Those who would trade our freedoms for the soup kitchen of the welfare state have told us they have a utopian solution of peace without victory, they call their policy accommodation. And they say if we'll only avoid any direct confrontation with the enemy, he'll forget his evil ways and learn to love us. All who oppose them are indicted as "war mongers" They say we offer simple answers to complex problems.
Admittedly there's a risk to any course we follow other than this. But every lesson that history tells us is that the greater risk lies in appeasement. And this is the specter that our well-meaning liberals friends refuse to face. That their policy of accommodation is appeasement.
Note the content of his speech. Everything he states is very relevant 40+ years later. We need more people like this in the Republican party now.
If you want to know who said this, watch the youtube video. 
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RE: Republicans - rebuildtheparty.com - 11/13/2008 5:34:33 PM
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Here we are telling the Republican Party to be more conservative.........With all due respect, I don't think some of us still quite get it.
And you do? From the posts of yours I've seen, I question if you are a republican.
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Fact: the Republican Party lost by a landslide this year. Unfortunately, even an extreme-far-right-candidate could not of prevented the disillusioned Republicans like me from voting for Obama, let alone beat him in the general election. Here is another daunting fact: the polls showed that approximately 24% of registered Republicans voted for Obama this year and the problem was not McCain being too moderate.
As has been pointed out. It was not a landslide no matter how much the media tried to portray it as one. As i said above. Based on many of the posts of oyurs I've read, I would never guess you for a republican. Maybe a moderate or independant.
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So what was the real problem? The bottom line is there were major issues surrounding the American People such as the Iraq War, the volatile oil prices, the struggling economy, rising college tuitions, healthcare, etc..... The Republican Party lost because the American People went to the polls on election day believing the Republicans were out of touch with these issues that effected their lives. I'm sorry to break the news but our defeat had nothing to do with conservatism (or lack thereof).
NO, the people did not see the GOP as out of touch, they bought into the lie offered by Obama and the media. They've been duped into believing the government is going to solve all their problems for them. They have forgotten what happened on 9/11/01 and think that if we simply extend our collective hand across the sea to those who hate us that we'll all sing hakuna matada together. Frankly, the American people watch too much TV and want to live like the people they see on TV and, they have forgotten how to think for themselves.
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RE: Republicans - rebuildtheparty.com - 11/13/2008 9:40:41 PM
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McCain lost because he wasn't conservative.
Obama won because he energized his supporters to vote for the first black president.
It used to be no liberal could win the presidency by proclaiming liberalism. Now it seems if you can convince enough people that you are a first, you can.
Change. You asked for it. I think...you're gonna get it.
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RE: Republicans - rebuildtheparty.com - 11/14/2008 12:48:58 AM
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Frankly, the American people watch too much TV and want to live like the people they see on TV and, they have forgotten how to think for themselves.
To be fair, I see at least as much of that on the right as I do on the left and in the middle. The right likes to claim that theirs is the agenda of ideas, but in reality, they're sucked in by propaganda just like everybody else. I still see people saying that we were justified in going into Iraq because of 9/11; I see people shouting "drill, baby, drill" w/o having any real idea of what impact our oil production will have on our energy problems; I see people fighting against homosexuals in the name of preserving marriage while simultaneously ignoring (or even espousing) economic policies that build strife in the home; I see people who used to claim that liberalism was based on fear now predicting that Obama will usher in a new marxist state and that our enemies will exploit his weakness and trepidation by attacking us.
Interestingly enough, I find more people in the middle who think for themselves than I do on either fringe - in many cases, it's that same middle who many folks around hear accuse of "not taking a stand" who ARE the ones looking at both sides of issues and seeing the flaws in both arguments. Those on the fringes, blinded by dogma could benefit just as much from some critical thought as could anybody else.
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RE: Republicans - rebuildtheparty.com - 11/14/2008 7:54:37 AM
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justified in going into Iraq because of 9/11
I don't know anyone who thought that 9/11 had a direct effect of going into Iraq.
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people shouting "drill, baby, drill" w/o having any real idea of what impact our oil production will have on our energy problems
The impact would be..more oil...??
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people fighting against homosexuals in the name of preserving marriage while simultaneously ignoring (or even espousing) economic policies that build strife in the home
Preserving the sanctity of mariage will raise the possibility of more prodiuctive people which would help the economy. I am not sure these towo are related unless you consider more government programs helping people economically. They have the opposite effect. Take all the tax monies collected for welfare in this country and let people keep and spend that money and we would not need welfare.
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people who used to claim that liberalism was based on fear now predicting that Obama will usher in a new marxist state and that our enemies will exploit his weakness and trepidation by attacking us.
I have seen a little of this. People are a little apprehensive and sometimes they represent more fear than what they really feel. I would say, most conservaqtives cannot see the election of Obama as a good thing.
I have never met anyone who is "in the middle", esspecially christians. I don't know how a christian can be "in the middle" when they have clear cut ideologies from the bible. Its been my experience that middle of the road people are closet liberals.
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RE: Republicans - rebuildtheparty.com - 11/14/2008 11:09:35 AM
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For black people - apparently all that you need for them is to have black skin.
Uh, what?
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RE: Republicans - rebuildtheparty.com - 11/14/2008 12:33:10 PM
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Interestingly enough, I find more people in the middle who think for themselves than I do on either fringe - in many cases, it's that same middle who many folks around hear accuse of "not taking a stand" who ARE the ones looking at both sides of issues and seeing the flaws in both arguments. Those on the fringes, blinded by dogma could benefit just as much from some critical thought as could anybody else.
LOL. Of course that's what your perception is going to be because you're in the middle. From my perspective, those in the middle don't take a stand because they are too busy having to think about what it is they really believe. When most of their information comes from the mainstream media, they tend to lean left more often than right because their core values are not solid. They tend to go with public opinion rather than principle. You can call it being blinded by dogma, but the rock I stand on is firmly in place while your boat gets tossed about on the tides of public opinion.
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RE: Republicans - rebuildtheparty.com - 11/15/2008 1:50:34 PM
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Thanks, huangshan, for your response. What I mean is that the main reason why black people voted for Sen. Obama is because his skin was black so if we want to win the black vote as Republicans we better find a black candidate. I base this on over and over again in the news, including the lovely Mrs. soon-to-be First Lady Obama, commenting on that it will be so nice to see someone who looks like us in the White House. It is the idea of having a black person in the White House that was so important to them. It makes the black community feel that they have a better chance of being represented and understood and that they have finally arrived - that the white man ain't oppressing them anymore is what I am guessing from the comments. This is the most logical conclusion to draw given the comments given by blacks after the election.
God bless abundantly in Christ,
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RE: Republicans - rebuildtheparty.com - 11/15/2008 2:07:18 PM
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The only candidate that would have had a chance to represent the Republican ticket and win, was Ron Paul.
Hannity, Limbaugh and all of the conservative media would have ended up backing him, eventually (Lord know they backed McCain without a problem). The social conservatives would have loved his stance on abortion. Those who actually want less government would have loved him (they still do). Those who were anti-war would have loved him. Those who wanted change would have gotten a restoration of the Constitution.
Ron Paul supporters will obviously use this opportunity to stand on their soapboxes and get their point across to the Republican party.
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RE: Republicans - rebuildtheparty.com - 11/15/2008 9:50:02 PM
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Interestingly enough, I find more people in the middle who think for themselves than I do on either fringe - in many cases, it's that same middle who many folks around hear accuse of "not taking a stand" who ARE the ones looking at both sides of issues and seeing the flaws in both arguments. Those on the fringes, blinded by dogma could benefit just as much from some critical thought as could anybody else.
LOL. Of course that's what your perception is going to be because you're in the middle. From my perspective, those in the middle don't take a stand because they are too busy having to think about what it is they really believe. When most of their information comes from the mainstream media, they tend to lean left more often than right because their core values are not solid. They tend to go with public opinion rather than principle. You can call it being blinded by dogma, but the rock I stand on is firmly in place while your boat gets tossed about on the tides of public opinion.
Taking a stand is a good thing. I get up on my soap box ever once in a while (just ask my wife). I was raised to understand that there are two sides to every coin. In other words, sometimes you have to THINK before you take a stand, otherwise you may find yourself having to defend a wrong perception (and NO, I'm not talking about abortion or gay marriage). When Bush brought up the idea of invading Iraq, I thought about it. I decided it was a bad idea and I still stand on that...It was a WRONG thing to do. But, I looked at both sides of the coin before I decided. Blindly taking a stand on issues is never a good idea.
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RE: Republicans - rebuildtheparty.com - 11/15/2008 11:37:56 PM
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SonInMe1
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90% of the black vote goes to liberals historically.
I don't think a black coinservative wuld garmner much attention from them...possibly a few....but, I don't think black people elected Obama anyways.
The american people did. I think Obama's skin color and he being the first of that skin color to get elected was a big factor. I think if you want to target a group with much more influence and it being historic, I would say we would have to present for election a woman. Maybe even a black woman.........
Bottom line, race or gender should NEVER be the reason why we vote for someone and I believe the result of this election will prove it. Unlike other black pioneers, I don't think Obama has the grace or courage to be under the scrutiny those other pioneers were under.
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