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People who never hear of the gospel - 11/16/2008 7:47:15 PM
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Zack_NorcalRiders
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What happens to people in other country's that are taught to follow the Koran , or the people who follow the Buddha . How do they learn of the gospel? what happens to somebody who dies not ever learning of Jesus Christ I'm shure it happens in other country's .
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RE: People who never hear of the gospel - 11/16/2008 8:10:32 PM
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The way I understand it.
Many years ago, all leaders of all countries had oportunity to embrace God but rejected Him. Hence, millions who never had opportunity (for all we know) to learn of Christ today, will perish unless of course God intervenes in some way. Scriptures teach us that Jesus is the only way to have eternal life.
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RE: People who never hear of the gospel - 11/16/2008 8:33:14 PM
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I don't know how this is Scripturally based, but my personal belief is that those people usually DO have a chance of hearing about Jesus through one way or another, and it's their choice to either embrace or deny Him. However, I do know that there are people who honestly won't have the chance to hear about Him or ever see a Bible during their lifetime, for instance, people in isolated tribal nations. I think those people would STILL have an opportunity to know God - perhaps not the Jesus we know from the Bible, but can still recognize God as an all-powerful being in Creation, and through that belief, I believe they would be accepted into heaven. I can't see how God would deny people who have never had a chance to hear the Gospel because we have failed to reach them - God would certainly provide a way through to their hearts somehow.
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RE: People who never hear of the gospel - 11/16/2008 9:05:00 PM
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The Bible says that it would then be based on what you know, however that is good enough alone to condemn you though.
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RE: People who never hear of the gospel - 11/16/2008 10:11:14 PM
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What happens to people in other country's that are taught to follow the Koran , or the people who follow the Buddha . How do they learn of the gospel? what happens to somebody who dies not ever learning of Jesus Christ I'm shure it happens in other country's .
Romans 1:20
20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
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RE: People who never hear of the gospel - 11/16/2008 10:11:33 PM
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ORIGINAL: nevaehs_gaze
I don't know how this is Scripturally based, but my personal belief is that those people usually DO have a chance of hearing about Jesus through one way or another, and it's their choice to either embrace or deny Him. However, I do know that there are people who honestly won't have the chance to hear about Him or ever see a Bible during their lifetime, for instance, people in isolated tribal nations. I think those people would STILL have an opportunity to know God - perhaps not the Jesus we know from the Bible, but can still recognize God as an all-powerful being in Creation, and through that belief, I believe they would be accepted into heaven. I can't see how God would deny people who have never had a chance to hear the Gospel because we have failed to reach them - God would certainly provide a way through to their hearts somehow.
This is close to what I beleive, not only that scripture does say that one day: Every tongue will confess and every knee will bow and know that He is Lord.
Many churches have oversea ministries and I have gone to a GospelFest a few years back where an elderly woman (crippled= missing a leg) had gone to Africa tribe and they taught her about God. They even had a song in which they shared with her called: Shay Bubba, Shay Jesu, which she translated and means Thank you God thank you Jesus.
Yes so HE is reaching out to those people, others do not believe they will hear
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RE: People who never hear of the gospel - 11/17/2008 12:11:02 AM
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Romans 10:12-'There’s no distinction in mankind for the same Lord is Lord of all, the same bounty and the same judgment 13 for, "whoever comes by His Victory we shall share in His just sacrifice." 14 [For] there’s no shame in ignorance even without the witness of the Law, heard or not, but how did they hear? 15 How beautiful are those who believe the Almighty God even outside the teaching of sacrifice 16 however, some stubbornly refuse to heed the good news of that same sacrifice for Isaiah cried, "Lord, who has believed our witness?"'
Even the most pagan(or agnostic)soul feels a sense of responsibility to the light shown them by the evidence of nature, witness or circumstance.
< Message edited by LCannon -- 11/17/2008 4:38:10 PM >
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RE: People who never hear of the gospel - 11/17/2008 12:29:06 PM
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2Th 1:7 and to grant relief to you who are afflicted as well as to us, when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels
2Th 1:8 in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.
2Th 1:9 They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might,
I think that about sums it up. If you do not know the gospel and obey it, you are lost. Paul defined the gospel this way:
1Co 15:1 Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand,
1Co 15:2 and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you--unless you believed in vain.
1Co 15:3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures,
1Co 15:4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures,
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RE: People who never hear of the gospel - 11/17/2008 2:10:49 PM
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I think each of us will be judged according to what we know, not what we don't know. So if a person has never heard of Jesus, I don't think that he/she will be judged for what he/she doesn't know.
The interesting flip to this is that a lot of people do know about Jesus and still reject Him. Take where I live. There is a church on nearly every corner with a cross on top of it, Bibles in probably most houses, and people still choose to reject the gift of salvation. Can't say they have never heard about Jesus. It all comes down to the heart. If a person truly wants to know and love God, their heart is seeking God, He will make Himself known to that person one way or the other. What I have gleaned from many years of reading what people say about Jesus, both pro and con, is that so often they just plain and simple don't want to submit themselves to anyone other than themselves. They want to be their own God--they don't think they need a Savior. They don't think they sin. It's really hard to accept Jesus as Lord and Savior when a person thinks they can do it all by themselves.
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RE: People who never hear of the gospel - 11/17/2008 2:22:06 PM
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I think each of us will be judged according to what we know, not what we don't know. So if a person has never heard of Jesus, I don't think that he/she will be judged for what he/she doesn't know.
But what does Scripture say?
1. All have been given a chance to know. There are no excuses.
2. All are sinful.
3. Sin cannot exist before a Holy Perfect God.
4. Death is final. You don't get to change your mind after you die.
This is definitely not a warm-fuzzy, humanistic theology. That's why so many are turned off by it.
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RE: People who never hear of the gospel - 11/17/2008 4:23:23 PM
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All who seek the Lord find Him, and He turns nobody away. If a person does not hear or receive the Gospel before he or she dies, no matter what circumstance suggests... it's because they didn't want to.
That's what I believe.
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RE: People who never hear of the gospel - 11/17/2008 5:09:03 PM
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What happens to people in other country's that are taught to follow the Koran , or the people who follow the Buddha . How do they learn of the gospel? what happens to somebody who dies not ever learning of Jesus Christ I'm shure it happens in other country's .
Romans 1:19-20 because that which is known about God is evident within them [what I refer to as the internal witness]; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made [what I call the external witness], so that they are without excuse.
God did not want ANY to be lost. So He covered all the bases---giving us an internal witness and an external witness. That's pretty wonderful. No, they are without excuse.
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RE: People who never hear of the gospel - 11/18/2008 7:42:19 AM
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Romans 1:19-20 because that which is known about God is evident within them [what I refer to as the internal witness]; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made [what I call the external witness], so that they are without excuse.
God did not want ANY to be lost. So He covered all the bases---giving us an internal witness and an external witness. That's pretty wonderful. No, they are without excuse. Except that THERE IS NO OTHER NAME by which men are saved (Acts 4.12) and there is NOWHERE in nature or the stars that give us the name Jesus / Yeshua, which is a MUST. You have to know who you are following.
I understand that God is merciful and just, and as soverign can do whatever HE will. But as far as the bible is concerned, if someone has not heard of Jesus, and believed the gospel message as presented in the NT, there is no hope of salvation.
That is why we have the great commission, to tell the gospel story to the far corners of the earth and disciple them biblical truth. If someone could get saved by contemplating nature, there would be no need for that.
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RE: People who never hear of the gospel - 11/18/2008 8:28:55 AM
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i just have to believe that G-d is a righteous judge, both holy and merciful.
regardless of what i think, G-d will have the last say.
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RE: People who never hear of the gospel - 11/18/2008 10:12:16 AM
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Yup, they ALL have their chances one way or the other...especially, in this cyberspace era, where the Message of our Living God, Jesus Christ is very easy to find. However, MANY have turned down HIS FREE Salvation! Like in Indonesia, where mostly are moslems; they have been persecuting/killing/ closing/ burning churches & the pastors (with their families). Consequently, they suffer in many ways! God is just, praise The Lord, amen. It's their choice...
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RE: People who never hear of the gospel - 11/18/2008 11:34:35 AM
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Romans 1:19-20 because that which is known about God is evident within them [what I refer to as the internal witness]; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made [what I call the external witness], so that they are without excuse.
God did not want ANY to be lost. So He covered all the bases---giving us an internal witness and an external witness. That's pretty wonderful. No, they are without excuse. Except that THERE IS NO OTHER NAME by which men are saved (Acts 4.12) and there is NOWHERE in nature or the stars that give us the name Jesus / Yeshua, which is a MUST. You have to know who you are following.
I understand that God is merciful and just, and as soverign can do whatever HE will. But as far as the bible is concerned, if someone has not heard of Jesus, and believed the gospel message as presented in the NT, there is no hope of salvation.
That is why we have the great commission, to tell the gospel story to the far corners of the earth and disciple them biblical truth. If someone could get saved by contemplating nature, there would be no need for that.
I believe there is salvation in no one else but Jesus. I also believe God has placed eternity in our hearts. He has made it evident WITHIN us and TO us. And those who do not suppress this truth will be saved. It's not about man contemplating nature. It's about truth.
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