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Palm Device and Cell Phone--together or separate? - 12/3/2008 6:30:20 PM
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magdaleine
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My Palm Zire 72 has crashed for the second time in two months, so it's time to replace it. I'm trying to decide whether to get something that combines its replacement with a phone or to continue to use two devices. The advantage I see for staying with two devices is that I have double battery time and I can use the organizer at the same time as the cell phone without using speaker phone. I'm thinking the window might be larger too. Having the two in one would be advantageous too, because it's one less thing to carry.
Anyone want to make a recommendation? I've used Palm products for the past 9 years, so I'm rather inclined to stick with them rather than moving into something with a different operating system, but I'm open to suggestions.
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RE: Palm Device and Cell Phone--together or separate? - 12/3/2008 6:38:31 PM
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Miss Giggles
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Well I have a Palm Z22. I have used Palm for a long time but they are really behind on the latest software, plus they are phasing out handheld PDAs So to a pda phone I will go
Functionally it works, but my documents to go freezes and crashes a lot.. which is the main thing I wanted it for. There were virtually no crashes or lockups on the old Palms I had.
Software for the Palm is getting to be more limited as well, I don't think the developers are working on as many apps since the market share has gone down. But I'd look at the Treo series of cell phones and see if you like them.
I am either going to get a blackberry, an Iphone (or Itouch) or a Windows Mobile phone.
edited to say: I have had windows mobile pdas as well.
< Message edited by Miss Giggles -- 12/4/2008 7:57:09 AM >
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RE: Palm Device and Cell Phone--together or separate? - 12/3/2008 11:58:09 PM
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ot4christ
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I've been using Palm since the Pilot 1000!! 128K! I switched to a smartphone with the Kyocera 6035 then the 6135. I currently use a 700p. I probably wouldn't recommend a Palm smartphone to “most people,” though the Centro is definitely enticing. "Most people" I believe may not find the Palm OS as intuitive as say Windows Mobile or even Blackberry. But to someone who is familiar with the Palm OS and has a substantial investment in Palm software (as I do), I would definitely recommend it. I know people using many different platforms and none have caused me to want to change. The only issue I have with Palm is that I can't browse some web pages especially those with Flash, but that’s a problem even with the iPhone. I was initially apposed to using a keyboard and used Graffiti Anywhere, but now I like it much better than Graffiti.
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RE: Palm Device and Cell Phone--together or separate? - 12/4/2008 2:00:34 AM
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Thank you, Miss Giggles and ot4christ.
The graffiti worked a whole lot better on my IIIxe than on the Zire 72. Right now I can't access the handwritten notes, photos, or audio recordings on my Zire because I can't find the CD that came with it and all I can download from online doesn't cover those "extras."
One thing that concerns me about having pda and phone combined is the screen size. Isn't it much smaller with the phone? Also, there's the battery issue. How many hours of continuous use does your smart phone give you, ot? If I'm taking notes at an all day conference, my Zire has power only to last the morning and sometimes less. But by having my phone separate, even when the pda is out of power, I can use the phone (and vice versa).
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RE: Palm Device and Cell Phone--together or separate? - 12/4/2008 9:42:27 AM
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The Palm operating system was spun off from Palm back in 2003. The resulting company, Palmsource, was bought in 2005 by ACCESS, a company from Tokyo. They kept the brand, but the OS is now called Garnet.
Now what has happened in the last few years, is that ACCESS has moved to what it calls the Access Linux Platform (ALP) which is the next generation of Palm OS. But in actuality, there will be no more Palm OS. The application programming interface and libraries will be there in Linux via ALP, but the Palm OS will essentially no longer exist.
They are doing this for the main reason that as the handheld market moves to phones, they needed a more robust platform to build phones on. Hence the move to Linux, the #3 or #4 player in phone OS wars. The top being Symbian, Microsoft Windows Mobile, and then BREW. As to who is #1 or #2, it fluctuates quarter to quarter. BREW seems to be #3 while Linux could be if it attained more acceptance beyond Asia.
So then, your Palm applications will still be able to run on the Garnet Engine that runs under ALP. Essentially this provides a Dragonball processor emulator allowing you to run even the oldest Palm applications. And there will be new Palm applications written that take advantage of ALP.
And that is where you may decide to get off the Palm wagon, at least as a separate device.
It would make sense that new ALP applications would not be backwards compatible. And that means as developers write new apps for ALP, they are not writing them for Palm. And that means fewer apps.
Just something to think about.
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RE: Palm Device and Cell Phone--together or separate? - 12/4/2008 10:45:49 AM
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Thank you, Miss Giggles and ot4christ.
The graffiti worked a whole lot better on my IIIxe than on the Zire 72. Right now I can't access the handwritten notes, photos, or audio recordings on my Zire because I can't find the CD that came with it and all I can download from online doesn't cover those "extras."
One thing that concerns me about having pda and phone combined is the screen size. Isn't it much smaller with the phone? Also, there's the battery issue. How many hours of continuous use does your smart phone give you, ot? If I'm taking notes at an all day conference, my Zire has power only to last the morning and sometimes less. But by having my phone separate, even when the pda is out of power, I can use the phone (and vice versa).
Battery life is very good and you can buy new user replaceable batteries for cheap on eBay. I’ve always bought an extra battery with every phone I’ve had. I doubt I would every buy a phone that didn’t have a user replaceable battery. Battery life does go down fast if I am "roaming." But I still get long life. I haven't tested on the 700p, but with the Kyocera 7135, the PDA function would still work for hours after the low battery caused the phone to automatically shut off. But again, batteries are cheap. As for the screen size, it is small but has high resolution so you can make out details. I can read the tiny text in a Word document page shrunk to fit the screen with Documents to Go. If you take handwritten notes, good luck. I can only get about 15 legible words on a screen.
The one thing I don’t like about the Palm OS is that there is no native way of multitasking. As for talking while using other apps, you would probably need speakerphone or a headset, unless you are in a quiet environment. Sometimes I feel as though I’m still running Windows 3.1. But I ask myself, what can the new OSs do that my current Palm can’t. There ain’t much. On the plus side, Palm has always been very efficient, using minimal resources to get the job done.
What neuronstatic says is true. As far as I know, Palm (or Access) is not going to release a “Palm OS” upgrade. They are moving to a new backward compatible OS (I hope).
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RE: Palm Device and Cell Phone--together or separate? - 12/4/2008 4:06:14 PM
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It sounds like sticking with Palm may not be the best way to go. I suppose there's no way to transfer my data from Palm Desktop to a different operating system?
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RE: Palm Device and Cell Phone--together or separate? - 12/4/2008 4:14:46 PM
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You should be able to export the data. If it's in Outlook it will sync right up with the new device.
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RE: Palm Device and Cell Phone--together or separate? - 12/4/2008 4:23:30 PM
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It sounds like sticking with Palm may not be the best way to go. I suppose there's no way to transfer my data from Palm Desktop to a different operating system?
The new OS from Palm/Access is supposed to be backward compatible so should transfer if you go that route. I'm not sure how to do it off the top of my head, but you can transfer all your Palm Desktop files. I know that in the past, I went from Sidekick to Palm to Outlook back to Palm. There is also a way to export a comma delimited file (CSV) that is readable by many applications.
What products are you considering?
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RE: Palm Device and Cell Phone--together or separate? - 12/4/2008 4:51:12 PM
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I don't know yet. All the information is mind-boggling and overwhelming. I suppose too, that if I'm getting a pda phone, it will depend on what kind of phone package I can get and with whom. Sigh. I don't like the idea of a smaller screen.
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RE: Palm Device and Cell Phone--together or separate? - 12/9/2008 1:56:39 PM
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I've been doing research on this all morning and I'm stressed. Thanks for the suggestion, Catherine.
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RE: Palm Device and Cell Phone--together or separate? - 12/16/2008 11:52:12 PM
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Thanks for the heads up on that! I'll have to keep watch. It turns out I've got another 6 months on my current cell phone plan and it's too expensive to buy it out so I have to wait. My son did some research for me and decided that the best device for me is the HTC Touch Pro. It's really too expensive for my blood, but getting it with a 36-month plan makes it affordable. But with Palm's impending presentation to the world, I'll have to re-evaluate that choice when the date comes closer.
So now I have to find a way to fix my Palm problems. The biggest problem at the moment is that I can't find my original CD for installing the desktop software, so I'm not able to access my photos, voice recordings (my now deceased brother talking about our family history for about an hour and a half) and (more importantly) my notepad. OT, since you're such a fan of Palm, do you have any ideas how to get another disc? The software that one can download from Palm's website doesn't support the photos, audio and notes--only the calendar, contacts, memos and tasks. :(
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RE: Palm Device and Cell Phone--together or separate? - 12/17/2008 7:22:42 AM
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Ok, I just upgraded cell phones. For the first time ever I spent more than $79 on the basic upgrades. I took the plunge and forked out about $200 for the Blackberry Storm.
So far... oh yeah. Now this is a cool device.
Having owned Palms before, Blackberry is what Palm could have been had they got their head out of the sand and made improvements in both their software framework and their hardware platforms.
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RE: Palm Device and Cell Phone--together or separate? - 12/17/2008 8:34:34 AM
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We just got those in at work. They don't seem easy to type on, but other than it is a pretty neat phone. I may get one when my contract is up. I need documents to go.
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RE: Palm Device and Cell Phone--together or separate? - 12/17/2008 8:49:32 AM
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It takes a little getting used to. I have been typing on a Garmin phone for a while now so was getting used to soft-keyboard on touch screen. Once you start to get the hang of where your fingers actually touch the screen (as opposed to where you think they will touch) it gets easier.
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RE: Palm Device and Cell Phone--together or separate? - 12/17/2008 9:41:54 AM
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OT, since you're such a fan of Palm, do you have any ideas how to get another disc? I did find the CD image for the Tungsten/Zire at a torrent site. I even had it posted here for a little while. But the site that I linked to had some advertisements, which may not have been appropriate to some folks, so I deleted the post. If you know how to download torrents, do a google search and include torrent in the search and you will find it. I just tried it again with the following search words "palm zire tungsten cd torrent" and it was the first on the list.
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RE: Palm Device and Cell Phone--together or separate? - 12/17/2008 1:15:36 PM
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The problem with the blackberry storm is that people are too impatient to figure stuff out, especially if its a crackberry, I mean blackberry.
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RE: Palm Device and Cell Phone--together or separate? - 12/17/2008 9:08:37 PM
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I like the ease of entering data that Palm products have such as graffiti and actual handwriting. It seems that Blackberry doesn't have those features, while Mobile Windows devices have them and more. The device my son is recommending has a pull-out keyboard, which allows the screen to be larger.
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RE: Palm Device and Cell Phone--together or separate? - 12/18/2008 9:02:33 AM
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When I turn my Storm sideways, the screen switches to "landscape" and I get a qwerty keyboard displayed. So its not like the little phone pads. Its like a keyboard. But still, the Storm takes some getting used to, and I like it. Of course, I am a total geek so it may just be the cool factor.
I used Palm for many years and I used to write graffiti pretty fast. I could still do that faster than typing on this keyboard. But what a virtual keyboard gives you is versatility. The screen can flip orientation in multiple ways and is reconfigured to be contextually relevant, something that cannot be done with hard keyboard.
Its all a matter of personal taste really.
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RE: Palm Device and Cell Phone--together or separate? - 1/2/2009 10:17:40 AM
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Old thread... but since I am addicted to mobile technology (particularly as leveraged by christians) I thought I'd humbly weigh in.
Excellent advice all round!
I too am a former Palm user. Absolutely loved it... however, as hinted at, the platform became a bit stagnant, so I did extensive research.
Now, when I need a device that assists me as a ministry tool. Since I worked with kids, I wanted a device with the ability to access bibles, movies, music, office documents, IM/social networking software, and more (when you have a small budget, you understand why this is important).
In any case, I needed a device I could literally run service and sermons from. I have never really cottoned with WinMo; I do a lot of serious business on the go, so the lack of cut and paste on the iPhone killed that option, so I reluctantly looked at BlackBerry. And I have never looked back.
It is a blessing to have access to things I need. I use an 8320... I love the convergence. With a GPS Puck, I even have voice direction GPS. I even pay bills from it. Just this week, I typed the the bulk of a ministry proposal for my pastor. I have access to social networking (IM and Twitter are a huge part of our ministry). I am blessed with three different Bible programs (including YouVersion for BB). Nothing beats being able to adjust my Netflix queue and PIN my pastor from the same device.
I highly recommend BlackBerry. It is quite different from Palm, but relatively easy to pick up. I opted not to switch to the Storm, but I think BBs have the best work/business hybrids on the market now.
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RE: Palm Device and Cell Phone--together or separate? - 1/3/2009 10:59:10 AM
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Thank you, folks! I was already to make my decision when I found out I have 6 months left on my current phone plan. If I'm going to combine devices, I have to wait. :(
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RE: Palm Device and Cell Phone--together or separate? - 1/3/2009 11:01:21 AM
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I use pocket quicken and the current version of the software requires a qwerty keyboard. So I am looking at the HTC fuze or Blackjack II. Or a blackberry. I also need Documents to Go but that runs on windows mobile and blackberry..
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