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Joel Osteen - 11/4/2009 6:17:07 PM
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I think that's how you spell his name. LOL...Anyway interesting he was on the View. I have never listen to him before. (I gear to the women) But, I kinda liked him. He is promoting a book. What do you guys think of him? Is he a pretty good minister? Worth getting the book?
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RE: Joel Osteen - 11/4/2009 6:29:54 PM
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I'm sure there are other OPs about him. Lots of viewpoints going the extreme either way. I do not like his WOF teaching, and have always been told to beware of someone who smiles all the time. Life does have it's serious moments. Living a true Christian life is a serious matter. Not that we should go around never smiling, but he just smiles too much. Life is NOT a bed of roses.
I saw him on Larry King and he wouldn't state what he believed was a sin or not. Today on The View, he said that homosexuality is not "the best way to live". Guess he was afraid to come right out and say it's a sinful way to live.
Also, he charges an entrance fee when he speaks in other cities. Most well-known evangelists like Joyce Meyer for one, does not charge. They rent the auditorium, or coliseum and let thousands of people in for free. Larry King asked him about that and he didn't have a good answer.
You'll get a whole lot of different opinions about him. I guess my main complaint is that he doesn't get deep into the Word of God and we all need that to feed our souls and encourage us in our everyday lives.
No, I wouldn't buy his book or read it if someone gave it to me.
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RE: Joel Osteen - 11/5/2009 1:29:36 AM
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So-- No I wouldn't either, read his book if someone gave it to me...... (unless I was really bored) but I will go watch him on the View! Love that show!
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RE: Joel Osteen - 11/5/2009 8:18:10 AM
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When he was an unknown guy with a half hour sermon on a backwater cable channel at 3 am he was at least sincere. Nowadays I equate him with those slick snake oil salesmen that used to roam the west. He looks real good in his Armani suit and slicked back hair, but there's no substance.
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RE: Joel Osteen - 11/5/2009 8:37:20 AM
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Wow, I have heard of him. But, just didin't know about him. Now, charging. Well, Beth Moore charges for her seminiars. Or I'm I thinking of something different. :) Thanks ahead of time..
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RE: Joel Osteen - 11/5/2009 3:11:58 PM
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I don't mind Joel actually. My wife likes him a lot and I believe she has his book around the house somewhere.
We watch him on Sundays occasionally. I can understand why some might think he more a motivational speaker than a 'minister'. He doesn't dwell too much on 'fire and brimstone'. Then again, neither do I.
I do respond to his idea of God as our biggest cheerleader. That no matter how bad things get, HE is with us. That helps me smile more.
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RE: Joel Osteen - 11/5/2009 7:09:24 PM
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HUGE problems with Joel Osteen if he's trying to pass himself off as a Christian teacher. If what you're looking for is a syrupy-sweet mega-life coach, then you might be looking in the right place.
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RE: Joel Osteen - 11/5/2009 11:21:58 PM
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I like Joel Osteen and watch him on tv pretty often.I have one of his books and like it alot.
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RE: Joel Osteen - 11/6/2009 10:10:56 AM
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My slant on Joel Osteen is that he's not a minister/preacher or even a biblical teacher in any fashion. He was a marketing major in college and never finished. But then not all good preachers are seminary educated. Joel is more a positive, upbeat, motivational speaker that happens to mention God and His love. You don't hear him talk about conviction of sin, consequences or hell so his messages are all watered down. He believes more in a "name it, claim it philosophy. In his sermons he never gives a reason to seek salvation or what happens if you don't. So IMO he's no preacher. He does spend considreable time "preaching" love, compassion, positive thinking and emotional stability. His sermons are all "feel good" type messages.
In an interview with Larry King some years ago when he wouldn't take a stand on scripture that says that Jesus is the only way to the Father and to heaven. His straddling the fence told me there and then that I wanted nothing to do with someone who would not stand firm on scripture and his beliefs. You can google the interview and read the transcripts. It's eye opening.
His books are more positive reinforcement and building up, empowering and all so if that is what is needed then go for it. He writes books to make people feel good about themselves. He makes a mint doing it.
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RE: Joel Osteen - 11/6/2009 10:14:16 AM
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RE: Joel Osteen - 11/6/2009 10:41:52 AM
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HERE is a 90 page thread with everything you ever wanted to know and more about Joel Osteen.
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RE: Joel Osteen - 11/6/2009 11:06:54 AM
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I don't mind Joel actually. My wife likes him a lot and I believe she has his book around the house somewhere.
My wife did too until she read the transcript of his first Larry King interview where he said that Mulsims get to heaven a different way than Jesus. Another big red flag was when King asked him how he was saved, Joel said that he had always been a Christian, he'd been born one.
And, IMO, the man still doesn't understand why either of those statements are heretical.
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RE: Joel Osteen - 11/6/2009 12:18:33 PM
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My wife did too until she read the transcript of his first Larry King interview where he said that Mulsims get to heaven a different way than Jesus.
I can understand how that would bother some, but it doesn't bother me. I like to think God is a 'big tent' kind of deity.
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RE: Joel Osteen - 11/6/2009 12:44:08 PM
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I can understand how that would bother some, but it doesn't bother me. I like to think God is a 'big tent' kind of deity.
Unfortunately for that philosophy, Jesus said that there is only one way to get to heaven and that He is that way. The tent has only one entrance, Jesus said any who tried another way is a thief and a robber - neither of which can enter heaven.
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RE: Joel Osteen - 11/6/2009 2:39:46 PM
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My wife did too until she read the transcript of his first Larry King interview where he said that Mulsims get to heaven a different way than Jesus.
I can understand how that would bother some, but it doesn't bother me. I like to think God is a 'big tent' kind of deity.
Guess you missed that "No one comes to the Father except through Me" part in the Bible
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RE: Joel Osteen - 11/6/2009 6:03:02 PM
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My sis said he's teachings are of the New Way? Thanks you guys for your answers or views. They are truly appreciated.
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RE: Joel Osteen - 11/6/2009 6:59:55 PM
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I like to think God is a 'big tent' kind of deity.
Scripture says,
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You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything
that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water
under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD
your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to
the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to
thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments. (Exodus 20:4-6)
There are many things I would like to think about God, but they are not Biblical, founded on God's word. Therefore, I must reject them. We are not free to form our own image of God. That is called idolatry. No one - let me repeat that - NO ONE goes to the Father without going through Christ. Jesus says,
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"I tell you the truth, the man who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate,
but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber. The man who enters by the gate is
the shepherd of his sheep. The watchman opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his
voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. When he has brought out all his own,
he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice.
But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do
not recognize a stranger's voice."
Jesus used this figure of speech, but they did not understand what he was telling them.
Therefore Jesus said again,
"I tell you the truth, I am the gate for the sheep. All who ever came before me were thieves
and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them. I am the gate; whoever enters through me
will be saved. He will come in and go out, and find pasture. The thief comes only to steal and
kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.
I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. The hired hand
is not the shepherd who owns the sheep. So when he sees the wolf coming,
he abandons the sheep and runs away. Then the wolf attacks the flock and scatters it.
The man runs away because he is a hired hand and cares nothing for the sheep. I am
the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me-- just as the Father knows me
and I know the Father--and I lay down my life for the sheep. I have other sheep
that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice,
and there shall be one flock and one shepherd. The reason my Father loves me
is that I lay down my life--only to take it up again. No one takes it from me, but
I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again.
This command I received from my Father." (John 10:1-18)
Yes, Muslims can be saved. But they must go through Jesus Christ. Not the Jesus of the Quran, who did not die a cross for the sin of the world.
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I can understand why some might think he more a motivational speaker than a 'minister'. He doesn't dwell too much on 'fire and brimstone'.
One doesn't have to focus on "fire and brimstone" to preach a Biblical message. But neither should one avoid it. Sin is a reality. Hell is a reality. God's judgment on sin is a reality. Joel has his church hold out their Bibles and do a chant about believing it, etc., but then he goes on to "preach" his "sermon" (motivational speech on how to get your best now, regardless of how you live your life) without even using Scripture. It is all based on his ideas about what he thinks about God, and not based on God's word. Regarding this, refer to Exodus 20: 4-6 again.
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RE: Joel Osteen - 11/6/2009 7:01:27 PM
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The New Way?
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RE: Joel Osteen - 11/6/2009 7:33:27 PM
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I dont know I dont know I dont know I dont know I dont know I dont know I dont know I dont know I dont know- Joel Osteen
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RE: Joel Osteen - 11/6/2009 8:31:33 PM
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I dont know I dont know I dont know I dont know I dont know I dont know I dont know I dont know I dont know- Joel Osteen
87 times in his interview with Larry King
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RE: Joel Osteen - 11/7/2009 3:11:44 AM
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There is only one way to change the heart of the nation. That is to change the sinful heart of the individual. The preachers today (JOEL Osteen ) who are teaching the “God has a wonderful plan for your life” message and the “prosperity gospel” are simply giving people what they want to hear. It allows the church to fill their pews each Sunday with many “false converts”. The preachers are not faithfully preaching against sin, righteousness, judgment, and true repentance. They are teaching sound principles. These principles are helpful for daily living, they fail to uncover wicked sin and self-righteousness that keep mass numbers of false converts existing in a false reality, sitting comfortably in the pews each Sunday, thinking they are friends with God when, in reality, they are still doomed to Hell. These people are “False Converts”. America will turn back towards God only when and if these people become “True Converts” and follow Jesus Christ!
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RE: Joel Osteen - 11/9/2009 9:27:09 PM
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My wife did too until she read the transcript of his first Larry King interview where he said that Mulsims get to heaven a different way than Jesus.
I can understand how that would bother some, but it doesn't bother me. I like to think God is a 'big tent' kind of deity.
Does it bother you that you just scored a "F" in Lesson One of Christianity 101? 
It does bother me sometimes that we let the Bible get in the way of our relationship with God.
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RE: Joel Osteen - 11/9/2009 9:29:35 PM
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It does bother me sometimes that we let the Bible get in the way of our relationship with God.
How, specifically, does the Bible get in the way of our relationship with God?
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