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Is the Bible 100% literally true?
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Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 9/6/2009 9:57:40 PM
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Alpaca
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Just trying to get a take on the geneal membership here.
A very simple "yes" or "no" question: Is the Bible 100% literally true?
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 9/6/2009 10:08:07 PM
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It's literally true in the sense that where it speaks historically, it's true (and we can verify much of it through archaeology and external sources), where it uses in figures of speach such as simile, metaaphor, allegory, or hyperbole it "literally" means it's a simile, metaphore, allegory, or hyperbole.
Please see my reply in your other thread, this forum.
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 9/6/2009 10:36:56 PM
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What Digrieze said
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 9/6/2009 11:03:28 PM
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Yes it is for it is God's word.
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 9/6/2009 11:07:44 PM
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Obviously things like "I am a rose of Sharon" aren't literally true, nor are they meant to be.
What Digrieze said.
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 9/6/2009 11:45:27 PM
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Is the whole book of Revelation to be taken literally? Is Jesus really a lamb? Will we actually see dragons with seven heads?
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 9/7/2009 12:14:49 AM
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Is the whole book of Revelation to be taken literally? Is Jesus really a lamb? Will we actually see dragons with seven heads?
Yes, dreams, visions, symbols, metaphors, etc. are LITERALLY dreams, visions, symbols, and metaphors. Taking the Bible LITERALLY does not mean a blind-as-a-bat gullibility that a symbol in a vision will LITERALLY come true (no woman is going to ride a 10 horned beast), it means when the Bible says the beloved apostle saw something in a vision we believe that is what he saw. Now, unpacking the meaning behind that symbology is another meaning that occupies us much more than is probably healthy for us (by the way, who does 666 refer to THIS month?).
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 9/7/2009 12:27:15 AM
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I voted 'Yes' when taken in context with the appropriate audience in mind. Obvisously taken out of context anything can corrupt the thrust or meaning. Just as obviously dealing with an allegory, legend or tradition as literal text or half texts that supposedly negate the whole has to be considered the one who's denying.
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 9/7/2009 12:27:57 AM
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That was not my question, whether the visions were real or not, but whether Jesus is really a lamb or there is really dragons with many heads for starters.
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 9/7/2009 1:24:56 AM
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ORIGINAL: Alpaca
Just trying to get a take on the geneal membership here.
A very simple "yes" or "no" question: Is the Bible 100% literally true?
I am not going to vote, because you didn't specify enough in the choices. Understandable for someone who isn't a student of the Bible.
The general consensus is that the original autographs were 100% true, and that we have enough evidence from thousands upon thousands of MSS (manuscripts) to trust that most of our current translations are reliable. I can't say that all English translations are 100% reliable, because most of them include passages that are not really Scripture. For example, the passage regarding the woman caught in adultery as well as the end of Mark are not in the original manuscripts as far as we can tell, and both fail other internal tests, yet they are still included in the Bible (mostly because it is traditional).
One must also consider the Apocrypha, which isn't actual Scripture, but is useful for study.
So.... sorry, but your question is too limited for me to answer in the poll.
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 9/7/2009 2:45:30 AM
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If it is not 100% literal how do we decide what is literal and what isn't? As far as those who visited heaven, They wrote what They literally saw. What They literally saw is beyond anything those of who have never visited heaven have ever seen and it does not translate into human languages very well. They did not try to interpret it. Whatever interpretation was done was done by an angel. If those who actually experienced it did not try to interpret what they saw, what makes those of us who haven't seen it think we have any business interpreting it?
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 9/7/2009 3:52:24 PM
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Scripture is literally true as long as you take original intent and genre into account. For example, metaphors are to be taken literally as metaphors, histories as histories, etc. Literal does not mean we must take a metaphor as a history.
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 9/8/2009 9:47:59 AM
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If it is not 100% literal how do we decide what is literal and what isn't?
By using a little common sense, putting in the hard work and study required to understand the culture and situation the author was addressing, and diligently seeking to understand the intent of the author who wrote it.
As others have said, the bible should be understand literally as it was intended to be understood; poetry should be understood as poetry, figurative language as figurative language, etc...
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Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 9/8/2009 9:50:19 AM
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ORIGINAL: Digrieze
It's literally true in the sense that where it speaks historically, it's true (and we can verify much of it through archaeology and external sources), where it uses in figures of speach such as simile, metaaphor, allegory, or hyperbole it "literally" means it's a simile, metaphore, allegory, or hyperbole.
Please see my reply in your other thread, this forum.
I agree.
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 9/8/2009 10:38:54 AM
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The general consensus seems to be that it's literally true, as long as you don't take the word "literally" literally. Literal can have several meanings, but the phrase "literally true", at least whenever I've heard or used the phrase, means the opposite of figuratively or metaphorically true. Conforming to or limited to the simplest, nonfigurative, or most obvious meaning of a word or words, without interpretation. "I'm so hungry I could eat a horse," is not literally true, even if people understand that I'm using a figure of speech and interpret it accordingly.
"The Lord is my Rock," is not literally true. It is 100% true. But it is figurative, not literal.
But literal has other meanings. It can mean word-for-word, as in a literal translation. And that's exactly what I believe inspiration is, word-for-word God's Word. I would agree that "The Bible is literally the Word of God, and it is 100% true." But to me the phrase "literally true" means it uses no figurative language.
How would you respond if someone says, "I believe Genesis is literally true," when they really think it never happened, but it's "true" when it's read in the genre of allegory, metaphor, myth, parable, poetry...? That use of "literally true" empties the phrase of any real meaning. Genesis is literal history. But poetry and visions are not always literal. They are inherently figurative and metaphorical in their use of language.
So I did not answer the poll.
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 9/8/2009 11:05:26 AM
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That was not my question, whether the visions were real or not, but whether Jesus is really a lamb or there is really dragons with many heads for starters. Yes. And Shulamite really had sheep in her mouth, a military siege tower around her neck and deer wandered around her chest. (and that is not even apocolyptic vision material)
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 9/8/2009 12:09:51 PM
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No, the bible is not literally true throughout - nor is it intended to be. The bible is 100% truth, but that truth often comes in the form of metaphor and symbolism.
I answered "No" to the poll question because of the way it was worded. I think you were asking is the bible's truth to be taken 100% literally, and it's not ... but if you are asking is the bible 100% true, then my answer is definitely yes.
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 9/9/2009 1:34:15 PM
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I've wondered if it even matters how 'literally' true the Bible is.
Here's how I look at it. A journalist has certain 'rules' they follow when report on someone's statements. If you start a sentence with: Mr. Smith said "...", then the text between the quotes is assumed to be verbatim. NO change whatsoever from what came out of Mr. Smith's mouth. If there was poor grammar, the quote should have poor grammar, and so on.
Then you have paraphrase, where it becomes: During his speech, Mr. Smith suggested the PTA stop meeting three times per week. Now there is a responsibility of the reporter to pass on the essence of what Mr. Smith said. You're not given quotes or the exact words. There is a semblance of trust in the author's integrity with a paraphrase.
Some see the Bible as God's words in quotes. I see it more like the paraphrase. BOTH should still communicate the same essence, so in the end I'm not going to stress out about which one it is. By faith I have no doubt that Scripture has a supernatural origin. How else could Christ be revealed in Genesis???
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 9/9/2009 9:53:24 PM
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ORIGINAL: Dingus
I've wondered if it even matters how 'literally' true the Bible is.
Here's how I look at it. A journalist has certain 'rules' they follow when report on someone's statements. If you start a sentence with: Mr. Smith said "...", then the text between the quotes is assumed to be verbatim. NO change whatsoever from what came out of Mr. Smith's mouth. If there was poor grammar, the quote should have poor grammar, and so on.
Then you have paraphrase, where it becomes: During his speech, Mr. Smith suggested the PTA stop meeting three times per week. Now there is a responsibility of the reporter to pass on the essence of what Mr. Smith said. You're not given quotes or the exact words. There is a semblance of trust in the author's integrity with a paraphrase.
Some see the Bible as God's words in quotes. I see it more like the paraphrase. BOTH should still communicate the same essence, so in the end I'm not going to stress out about which one it is. By faith I have no doubt that Scripture has a supernatural origin. How else could Christ be revealed in Genesis???
Good post Dingus, I agree completely.
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 9/11/2009 7:38:09 PM
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There is no clear cut answer to the question. By just using Genesis for example, it is possible that certain stories in chapters 1-11 are not literal stories, but stories that were passed down to Moses in which, under divine inspiration, re-told them because they were very important to the foundation of Israel. I think that all scripture is 100% inspired by God. The bible says that all scripture is God breathed. This does not mean that everything is 100% literal. For example, most of us have read books or seen movies that are christian based. Even thought these are fictitious with fictitious characters, we know because of their influence that they were inspired by God. A couple movies like Fireproof and Facing the Giants seem to be inspired by God.
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 9/12/2009 1:40:04 AM
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When it comes to that question, I'm not sure what to think about the people whose lifespan was hundreds of years old, like Mathusalah. I should take it literally because I think everything is true in the Bible, still have a hard time. Same with barrenness, I'm not sure how it was possible to conceive at those old ages, although I know that God can do anything.
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 10/9/2009 7:41:39 PM
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I wonder if anyone who voted that the Bible is 100% true has ever read the Bible? This is embarrassing...
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 10/9/2009 7:44:52 PM
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I wonder if anyone who voted that the Bible is 100% true has ever read the Bible? This is embarrassing...
If you want to engage in actual discussion, starting off with insults is a poor way to do it. Perhaps you would like to revise your tone? If not, we'd all be better off if you found some other group to make broad assumptions about.
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 10/9/2009 7:49:26 PM
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ORIGINAL: Digrieze
It's literally true in the sense that where it speaks historically, it's true (and we can verify much of it through archaeology and external sources), where it uses in figures of speech such as simile, metaphor, allegory, or hyperbole it "literally" means it's a simile, metaphor, allegory, or hyperbole.
I agree with Digrieze.
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RE: Is the Bible 100% literally true? - 10/9/2009 7:49:53 PM
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Digrieze
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ORIGINAL: aray
I wonder if anyone who voted that the Bible is 100% true has ever read the Bible? This is embarrassing...
Please read the rest of the thread before you make such a post. After you do you'll probably find such a quick judgement was ill advised (and, at the least, the words poorly chosen).
The polls are only important in light of the context of the thread.
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