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How does God forgive you? - 11/18/2008 10:01:52 AM
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d4nnyb0y02
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When we go to the Lord on the matter of a particular sin, should we go to Him *hoping that He will forgive*? Or, should we go to Him *thankful for His forgiveness*?
I believe one can lead to the other... but in the act of *approaching the Lord*, they are two different things. I believe the latter is better... the act of approaching the Lord *thankful for His forgiveness* He has already given. I believe the heart of the person who approaches God hoping for forgiveness, at it's end, will feel that they have somehow earned God's forgivness with sincerity... or great sacrifice, neither of which is true. He forgives us based on His own merits, His own finished work on the cross.
I was certainly at the place in my life, at a time, where I went to God just hoping and pleading that he would somehow find it in Himself to forgive my miserible soul. But, over time, I have discovered that it was not so, and as Paul said, we should go *boldly* to the thrown of grace knowing that the forgiveness we attain is by HIS work, not ours... and *has given* us forgiveness with great joy.
I'm not saying it's wrong to be sorry for what our sin. There is a place for personal sorrow and remorse. I'm just saying that I believe the right heart... with the right understanding of Christ's finished work on the cross approaches the thrown of Grace boldly, knowing ahead of time that HE is STRONG to SAVE... it is by His work... and no amount of pleading, sulking, or even confessing will cause Him to forgive those who have already called on His name, and believed.
Thoughts?
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RE: How does God forgive you? - 11/18/2008 10:12:45 AM
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When Jesus taught us to pray, the only condition He placed in our prayers related to forgiveness. He said: Forgive us our sins as we forgive those who sinned against us.
Of course, we should go to God expecting forgiveness. Because He loves us and knows our weaknesses and our sins. So if we have true remorse, and we try our best not to re offend, of course He will forgive us.
But what if we have remorse and intend not to re offend; yet we don't forgive our enemies - those who hurt us? Aha .... now then ... will He forgive us in that situation?
And what if we can't possibly forgive ourselves? There are so many who go through life carrying the unneccessary heavy burden of guilt and shame and cannot possibly forgive themselves for what they have done. What a waste. Their burden slows them down and hinders their progress towards God.
So if we expect Him to forgive us we should learn to forgive ourselves and to forgive others who have hurt us. And of course try our best not to repeat our sins.
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RE: How does God forgive you? - 11/18/2008 10:18:48 AM
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God forgives unconditionally. We may hope that he will forgive us, but the fact is that he WILL forgive us, since that is why Christ died for us. All we need to do ask.
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RE: How does God forgive you? - 11/18/2008 10:53:29 AM
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I'm not saying it's wrong to be sorry for what our sin.
And it's not enough to just "be sorry" for our sin. We must repent of that sin.
Easton's Bible Dictionary:
"Repentance consists of (1) a true sense of one's own guilt and sinfulness; (2) an apprehension of God's mercy in Christ; (3) an actual hatred of sin (Psalms 119:128; Job 42:5,6; 2co 7:10) and turning from it to God; and (4) a persistent endeavour after a holy life in a walking with God in the way of his commandments."
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RE: How does God forgive you? - 11/18/2008 11:01:06 AM
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Forgiveness is not something we get as Christians, forgiveness is something we have.
Acts 10:43
"All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name."
Ephesians 1:7
"In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God's grace"
Colossians 1:14
"in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins."
We thank God for what He has done for us, through the shedding of His Sons blood on the cross.
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RE: How does God forgive you? - 11/18/2008 11:21:26 AM
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ORIGINAL: d4nnyb0y02
When we go to the Lord on the matter of a particular sin, should we go to Him *hoping that He will forgive*? Or, should we go to Him *thankful for His forgiveness*?
I believe one can lead to the other... but in the act of *approaching the Lord*, they are two different things. I believe the latter is better... the act of approaching the Lord *thankful for His forgiveness* He has already given. I believe the heart of the person who approaches God hoping for forgiveness, at it's end, will feel that they have somehow earned God's forgivness with sincerity... or great sacrifice, neither of which is true. He forgives us based on His own merits, His own finished work on the cross.
I was certainly at the place in my life, at a time, where I went to God just hoping and pleading that he would somehow find it in Himself to forgive my miserible soul. But, over time, I have discovered that it was not so, and as Paul said, we should go *boldly* to the thrown of grace knowing that the forgiveness we attain is by HIS work, not ours... and *has given* us forgiveness with great joy.
I'm not saying it's wrong to be sorry for what our sin. There is a place for personal sorrow and remorse. I'm just saying that I believe the right heart... with the right understanding of Christ's finished work on the cross approaches the thrown of Grace boldly, knowing ahead of time that HE is STRONG to SAVE... it is by His work... and no amount of pleading, sulking, or even confessing will cause Him to forgive those who have already called on His name, and believed.
Thoughts?
I like your thoughts and agree. We are forgiven. But I do believe He wants repentance, to see our recognition of our wrongdoing and confession of its hurtfulness to Him and others and our turning away from it.
David's confession in Psalm 51 is a good one to look at in this regard. David saw the evil he had done. It was evil done to God. That is the right view of sin, all sin, our sin. That is my view as well.
I emboldened your use of thrown vs throne. I do not know if your error (?) was intentional but I kind of like it.
As a believer we are THROWN to the THRONE, knowing we are forgiven and will be met with grace. What a beautiful thought. Thank you. 
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RE: How does God forgive you? - 11/18/2008 2:10:47 PM
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ORIGINAL: d4nnyb0y02
When we go to the Lord on the matter of a particular sin, should we go to Him *hoping that He will forgive*? Or, should we go to Him *thankful for His forgiveness*? We go REPENTING of our sin - agreeing with God that it is wrong, turning away from it to His word and truth.
We concern ourselves with repentance and let HIM concern himself with the forgiveness part.
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RE: How does God forgive you? - 11/18/2008 8:01:48 PM
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God shows His incredible Grace to me by, not hardening my heart towards Him.
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RE: How does God forgive you? - 11/18/2008 8:40:37 PM
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Walker311
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When we go to the Lord on the matter of a particular sin, should we go to Him *hoping that He will forgive*? Or, should we go to Him *thankful for His forgiveness*?
We should go humbly, in sincerety, and believe it or not... with hope that we will be forgiven.
We believe that we are being humble, that we are being sincere, and that we will NEVER sin like that again but God knows better, doesn't He?
I yelled at my wife in anger the other day. I told her that I was sorry. Her forgiveness was necessary as much as my apology. God's mercy is everlasting and is necessary or none of us could find favor.
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RE: How does God forgive you? - 11/18/2008 9:59:19 PM
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ORIGINAL: d4nnyb0y02 He forgives us based on His own merits, His own finished work on the cross.
I was certainly at the place in my life, at a time, where I went to God just hoping and pleading that he would somehow find it in Himself to forgive my miserible soul. But, over time, I have discovered that it was not so, and as Paul said, we should go *boldly* to the thrown of grace knowing that the forgiveness we attain is by HIS work, not ours... and *has given* us forgiveness with great joy.
Bull's eye, d4nnyb0y02.
The study of God's Word teaches this; who said Bible study is boring? Look how it impacts our lives!
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RE: How does God forgive you? - 11/22/2008 12:25:59 PM
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terryjohn
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You know, I forgive my own son many things without his even having to feel sorry for them simply because I know he has done them out of ignorance. Christ said on the cross, father forgive them for they know not what they do, and they had just crucified Him.
Nevertheless, I do tell and show my own son why what he has done wrong. If he learns and is sorry and I am happy with that, if he is not, or does not, I will continue to contend with him until he is safely returned to me, for he is my son. Here I understand that I cannot or would not contend long with those who are not my son or daughter, but then again that is just me, for are not all men Gods offspring?
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RE: How does God forgive you? - 11/22/2008 12:59:16 PM
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Well, terry, you have a vested interest in your son's future. The further removed in relation the less relation and we tend to zero in on the 'son' behavior rather then the dynamics, family or circumstance, that potentially lead to the behavior. We all have said, 'I know what caused...blah, blah...' true or not...
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RE: How does God forgive you? - 11/22/2008 1:42:51 PM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: Kat_D
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I'm not saying it's wrong to be sorry for what our sin.
And it's not enough to just "be sorry" for our sin. We must repent of that sin.
Easton's Bible Dictionary:
"Repentance consists of (1) a true sense of one's own guilt and sinfulness; (2) an apprehension of God's mercy in Christ; (3) an actual hatred of sin (Psalms 119:128; Job 42:5,6; 2co 7:10) and turning from it to God; and (4) a persistent endeavour after a holy life in a walking with God in the way of his commandments."
Took the words right out of my mouth.
If we are just "sorry" so that God isn't mad at us, but we have no commitment to changing our ways . . . Well, those are just shoes I don't think you want to be standing in.
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RE: How does God forgive you? - 11/22/2008 2:56:51 PM
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LCannon
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The mechanism of salvation/forgiveness is a mystery probably like osmosis(like converting sunlight to simple sugars by green plants)to our two-dimensional mind however in the 'eternal continuum' Christ Jesus' blood/obedience is life itself. We don't have to understand in our feeble imaginations we have to Accept, Believe and Confess it. It's as simple as ABC!
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only Bach. I am sure, however, that when they are together en famille they
play Mozart and then too our dear Lord listens with special pleasure."(Karl Barth)
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RE: How does God forgive you? - 11/22/2008 4:47:11 PM
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Have you considered 1 John 1:9? it says, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."
I see this as a conitnuation of forgivenss of sin that started with Jesus shedding His blood on the cross for the permanent forgiveness of sins.
Now, one also has to forgive himself. So, learn to see yourself as being forgiven.
There is another aspect of what your talking about, though, and that is repentance. If you don't lay down your sin and turn toward God and walk with Him, you will live under the shadow of your previous sins.
Don't overlook the fact that your accuser, Satan, will do his level best ot convince you that God lies when He says, "I forgive you."
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RE: How does God forgive you? - 11/22/2008 5:24:21 PM
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LCannon
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A journalist asked the great Swiss-German theologian Karl Barth(1886–1968)what is the single most illumining quality he had ever imaged. Excepting some profound beyond his understanding, Barth immediately responded, 'Jesus loves me this I know for the Bible tell me so.' Forgiveness isn't rocket science; it's what it is. We tend to over complicate the mysteries of God because they're unknowable.
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only Bach. I am sure, however, that when they are together en famille they
play Mozart and then too our dear Lord listens with special pleasure."(Karl Barth)
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