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Hamlet 2 - 8/20/2008 12:29:47 AM
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DreadPirateRandy
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This is a movie about a failed drama teacher recreating a politically incorrect musical sequel to William Shakespeare's Hamlet.
It's also written by the same writers of South Park. Automatically, one could assume that words such as "trash" or "garbage" could describe this film beforehand.
I could care less about the synopsis, however, I do have a problem with one specific part of this movie that I've seen advertised over and over again. During this "musical", there's a particular song called "Rock Me Sexy Jesus".
Yep. It's a song about "wanting" Jesus in a lustful manner. Referring to Jesus' body in derogatory terms that any Christian should consider offensive, but will probably pay money to see regardless.
More trash productions. Oi.
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RE: Hamlet 2 - 8/20/2008 12:33:20 AM
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I can't wait for this movie. I am a huge South Park fan and this movie already looks like it won't dissapoint me. More roaring laughter as everyone gets made fun of. This is gonna look like a parody of Jesus Christ Superstar. I can't wait.LOL
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RE: Hamlet 2 - 8/20/2008 2:07:22 AM
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Personally speaking, I'm a bit leery about Hamlet 2 for a while--and not just with the traditional form of topical humor here (i.e. Jesus' depiction, etc...). When I heard that the film is made by one of the co-writers of the South Park movie, I don't know if they were referring to Matt Stone & Trey Parker themselves--especially when one considers how center-right leaning their edgy humor is (hint: Brian Anderson's South Park Conservatives). But when I had the opportunity to check out its latest marquee, I searched for either Parker or Stone's credits on Hamlet 2, and lo & behold, it's nowhere in sight. If anything, it's probably someone (formerly?) from the SP camp, trying to make a cheap, but creatively antiquated cash-in to the aforementioned, increasingly conservative/libertarian-minded comedy writers.
But when I started seeing the latest batch of TV promos of the film, it supposedly promises to offend likewise with other sensibilities of the politically correct types--not just Christian conservatives, though I'm still not holding my breath on that, probably because the jury's still out on that!*
*Unless you're part of the Sundance Film Festival Jury (that lavished this film too highly)! 'Dunno if they'll do the same with David Zucker's An American Carol!    
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RE: Hamlet 2 - 8/20/2008 2:32:04 AM
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I_Walk_Alone
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I looked up the name Pam Brady and she was a co writer of South Park from 2003-2007 Whether she is still writing with Matt Stone and Trey Parker is not known. But she also wrote on Team America, which I thought was a great movie. If it follows the approach that was taken on Team America, it should be a good movie.
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RE: Hamlet 2 - 8/20/2008 2:40:27 AM
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I saw the trailer for it today in front of the new Woody Allen movie (which was good by the way), and it looks hilarious.
Regarding the writer: It was written by Pam Brady (I think that's her name). She co-wrote the South Park movie with Trey Parker and Matt Stone, as well as "Team America World Police," and she's worked with them over the years as the sort of "overlooked" 3rd member of their 2 man team (I think she might have been involved in "Cannibal the Musical" as well). She was a producer on the "South Park" TV show in the early days, and wrote several episodes of that as well (I'm not sure if she is involved with the show anymore, though, as I think she left to work on her on stuff, but she still seems to pop back in from time to time as either a writer/producer or consultant, as I always see her name in the credits. I know she was involved with the Imagination Land episodes).
She actually appeared on the show once as well (un-animated, too). She was the Shop teacher's wife in that one episode where he keeps having flash backs about her dying in an airplane crash ("Swing me higher Richard!" LOL).
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RE: Hamlet 2 - 8/20/2008 2:43:29 AM
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I_Walk_Alone
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I never knew that the one that played the shop teacher's wife was Pam Brady.
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RE: Hamlet 2 - 8/20/2008 4:08:30 AM
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But when I started seeing the latest batch of TV promos of the film, it supposedly promises to offend likewise with other sensibilities of the politically correct types
Naturally, I would assume a Christian would take offense to one demeaning their supposed Lord in such sexual ways.
But, the heart of many has grown cold. And I am not in the least bit surprised "Christians" would flock out to see it. I mean, why wouldn't they? Christ being hated, cursed at, demeaned has just become a norm in today's society, so why should Christians resent it? Why not embrace it like the rest of the world, eh?
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RE: Hamlet 2 - 8/20/2008 11:09:18 AM
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Thanks for the heads up, Randy. There is no way I'm going to see this movie, and I'll warn my family and friends about it. Even without your mentioning Jesus, just the mention of South Park gets my hackles up. I think that show is nothing but trash.
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RE: Hamlet 2 - 8/20/2008 11:11:59 AM
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The way it appears to me, if a show is going to make fun of Jewish,Muslim,Buddhists, etc....then logically to keep integrity Christianity would be fair game for jokes. We can't say its ok to make fun of all these things and then start saying we can't make fun of that, it would make people hypocrits. Anyway, I have never seen them actually make fun a holy religious figure, this includes Jesus. Not even in South Park. If anything, they make fun of the fanatical people and things that were done in Jesus's name, examples like holy wars and bad plays like Jesus Christ Superstar come to mind.
With the list of different types of people being made fun of for the commercial, I xpect the complete list to be much longer than shown.
If a good movie that depicted the teachings of Jesus was released, I would flock to see it just as quickly as I would Hamlet 2. And when I mention this, bear in mind, Passion of the Christ does not count.
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RE: Hamlet 2 - 8/20/2008 7:04:39 PM
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I'm sure Jesus can, too.
Oh definitely. I'm sure He's up on His heavenly throne with a bag of popcorn in His hands waiting to give this trash two thumbs up, because of its righteousness and all.
I guess since Christians think it's alright to talk about Jesus in sexual ways, about wanting His body, about wanting to "rock Him" all night long, then Christ Himself MUST accept it, too, right?
Um, no. Perhaps I'm reading a different Bible than the rest of you, but mine says God cannot be mocked without reaping consequences.
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Anyway, I have never seen them actually make fun a holy religious figure, this includes Jesus. Not even in South Park.
I must have been watching an alternative version of South Park, then.
When I watched the show, they had a Jesus figure on the show. I think he even had a talk show. I wasn't a Christian at the time, so I didn't pay much attention to it.
Nonetheless, can a Christian say mocking Jesus is EVER acceptable?
If the answer is yes, then I would understand why unbelievers call Christians hypocrites.
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RE: Hamlet 2 - 8/20/2008 7:15:34 PM
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Now, was the talk show necessarily making fun of Jesus or the people calling in asking rediculous requests? I saw it as a jab at how people look to talk shows to solve all their problems. The fact that Jesus was the central character for the show meant that the couch potatos "God" is in the TV.
So then, if Jesus was out of the movie? Would that make everything ok then? If the answer was yes, then that is pure hypocrisy.
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RE: Hamlet 2 - 8/21/2008 8:39:04 AM
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I watch South Park, though I don't like their use of blasphemy.  But I do watch it, and apologize to God after I hear blasphemy. But, I don't like this new movie at all, it gives me a bad feeling, I watched a preview, the only I liked about it was that part of "Kicks Satan's *ss." But that's all. One more thing, I'm getting tired of other Christians bashing shows like Pokemon, when they should be bashing shows that actually CONTAIN objectional material.
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RE: Hamlet 2 - 8/21/2008 8:58:09 AM
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Yet two threads under, DreadPirateRandy, you are saying that you would see Tropic Thunder...
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RE: Hamlet 2 - 8/21/2008 1:39:36 PM
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Its the meaningless bashings of things like Pokemon, Harry Potter, and other shows/movies/music that provide 1 reason why shows like South Park and movies like Hamlet 2 exist.
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RE: Hamlet 2 - 8/21/2008 6:02:45 PM
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Now, was the talk show necessarily making fun of Jesus or the people calling in asking ridiculous requests?
Regardless if this particular episode didn't seem offensive, I know with certainty that they have indeed mocked Christ varies times on that show. In particular, there was a crucifixion scene where Cartman or somebody was up a cross, I found this "jab" to be highly offensive.
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So then, if Jesus was out of the movie? Would that make everything ok then? If the answer was yes, then that is pure hypocrisy.
Nope. There is a lot of things morally corrupt with this movie, but since they decided to make a Christ figure one of their main characters, and in untasteful ways, it will remain as such: untasteful, complete and utter garbage.
Like I predicted in my first post, regardless of anyones supposed belief in Christ, they'll still watch His name be regarded to in sexual and disgusting ways.
Sickening.
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Yet two threads under, DreadPirateRandy, you are saying that you would see Tropic Thunder...
I don't recall a song and dance in middle of Tropic Thunder about wanting to rock Jesus all night long.
Bad comparison.
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RE: Hamlet 2 - 8/21/2008 8:17:04 PM
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Actually, it's a perfectly valid comparison. You don't mind a movie that has a vast amount of profanity, including "12 religious profanities"...taking God's name in vain. You don't care that it has detailed descriptions of sexual acts, as well as women in bikinis being grabbed by men and a rap song about sex. Not to mention the drug use, denigrating words against race and mental disabilities, and lots of violence.
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If the answer is yes, then I would understand why unbelievers call Christians hypocrites.
This is what people would look to and find hypocritical. You could care less if a movie is full of sin that does contradict Jesus' teachings, but if a movie portrays Jesus in a less than godly light...that's where you draw the line. It's a double standard.
If you're going to say one of them is bad, you have to say both are bad. Both movies are full of what the Bible would qualify as sin. And both movies are satire.
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RE: Hamlet 2 - 8/22/2008 3:53:54 AM
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I don't recall a song and dance in middle of Tropic Thunder about wanting to rock Jesus all night long.
Bad comparison.
Actually the song is "rock me," not "I want to rock."
Anyways, I see it as a sly comment on the often subtly sexual overtones of many evangelical pop songs, which in many cases, could just be secular love songs, only with the object of affection in the lyrics replaced with either "God" or "Jesus."
It's a bit stale, given that South Park already tackled this idea in the episode where Cartman starts a Christian band (and there's no way you could not find that episode funny, if you have ever been subjected to Christian music pop music for any duration), but I think it's valid as satire of a specific aspect of fundamentalist Christian life (i.e. bad Christian pop music) as oppossed to being aimed at either God or Jesus. It's so ludicrous that I don't think anyone could ever get the impression that it's attempting to depict Jesus or God in a serious manner -so I really don't see God or Jesus as having anything to do with it.
Obviously, some will disagree, though, and that's fine.
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RE: Hamlet 2 - 8/22/2008 4:11:47 AM
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PS:
But even if you hate it or the movie turns out to be awful, there's no denying that "Hamlet 2" is probably the most hilarious title of any film in years.
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