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"Barry Soetoro" hits the age of Con.Cent. - 10/17/2009 7:46:01 PM
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Ross.Lang
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I'd like to petition the moderators and members of Crosswalk to move any post which makes reference to "Barry Soetoro" into a general "Barry Soetoro" folder in Conspiracy Central. All of the birth certificate controversy threads are now housed in that location, yet many people insist on dragging this inexorably linked strand of information out into the broader forum. Some of our members refer to the President by no other name, which is almost as bad as if we had a group of members who insisted on referring to the Apollo program as "the NASA hoax" or to vaccines as "CIA population control" every time they mentioned them in the general forums. We have a forum on this site for people who like to deliberate about realities which are not consonant with those perceived by humanity as a whole, and things like this should stay there.
The title "Barry Soetoro" is fundamentally linked to the birth certificate conspiracy theory:
Barry
Judges have repeatedly struck down attempts to force this theory on the legal system with rulings that chalked up the birth certificate suits as using the court "for an improper purpose such as to harass" and forced the party bringing the suit to repay all of President Obama's legal fees.
As such, anyone who wants to discuss Barry Soetoro should have their threads relocated to the Conspiracy Central folder, not to be mean, but just to be sure the content of this site is properly parsed. In the past, moderators have zealously relocated the most divergent topics into one-stop threads, so that conversations about homosexuality and hate crimes, genetic factors of homosexuality, homosexuality in animals, homosexuality in biblical exegesis, and homosexuality in US tort law all run together in a stream that's difficult to follow. If this is how we treat such an important issue, I can hardly see how a person can justify not gathering all these veiled illusions to a conspiracy theory together and dumping them in one place, where all three of the people who enjoy discussing them can do so in full fellowship and with joy.
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< Message edited by Ross.Lang -- 10/17/2009 7:52:52 PM >
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RE: "Barry Soetoro" hits the age of Con.Cent. - 10/17/2009 7:48:29 PM
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Moving from Kings-PMs-Presidents to Feedback.
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RE: "Barry Soetoro" hits the age of Con.Cent. - 10/17/2009 9:12:42 PM
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henny
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Whether it's right or wrong, I certainly think it's childish to insist on using "Barry Soetero" in every post. Personally, I just try to ignore posts that use the name entirely, as I think its usage demonstrates a lack of seriousness and respect in the poster which suggests that it would be a waste of time to engage them in any discussion at all. It's like using "the 0ne" "0bama" or "0bamamesiah" -why bother responding to someone who has demonstrated that they can only communicate at the level of an 8 year old?
Honestly, if you respond to such posters you'll really only be fueling them, as what they are looking for is a reaction from someone -someone to be offended, "outraged," or to protest against them. By using the name, they indicate that they don't really want to discuss the purported topic of the thread, rather they just want people to react to their usage of the name (which is why all threads started with that name in the title, always end up as a discussion of Obama's birth certificate as opposed to the topic of the thread). Contention usually makes threads last longer (which is why some of the most childish and inflamatory threads -i.e. ones that make large blanket generalizations about conservatives or liberals- tend to be the longest), So just quit responding to them entirely, and they'll end up forgotten and relegated to the 2nd and 3rd pages of the section much faster.
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RE: "Barry Soetoro" hits the age of Con.Cent. - 10/18/2009 2:42:56 PM
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Every post using "Barry Soetoro" is a post implying Obama's presidency is illegal and fraudulent, yet you cannot even challenge that implied accusation without having your posts removed as off topic.
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RE: "Barry Soetoro" hits the age of Con.Cent. - 10/19/2009 11:44:44 AM
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Thank you for taking the time to post your request. It will be taken under consideration as we move forward.
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RE: "Barry Soetoro" hits the age of Con.Cent. - 10/19/2009 6:58:15 PM
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WhiteRoseBlessings
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Melissa, Barry Soetoro was the name that President Obama used when he lived in Indonesia as a child. His step-father's last name was Soetoro.
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RE: "Barry Soetoro" hits the age of Con.Cent. - 10/20/2009 5:06:00 AM
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It is a valid issue.
It is one of his "official" names, and one which he tried to lie about and hide from.
He is now POTUS, and the fact that he tried to lie about and obfuscate the fact that his name used to be Barry Soetoro, and that he was registered as a Muslim is a relevant issue. It isn't "conspiracy", it is fact.
If whenever I decided to write about the wrestler "Andre the Giant", I instead wrote "André René Roussimoff", is that conspiracy? No, that is the man's name.
If whenever I decide to write about rapper "Snoop Dogg" I instead wrote "Calvin Broadus", is that conspiracy? No, that is the man's name.
If whenever I decided to write about actor "John Wayne", I instead wrote "Marion Morrison", is that conspiracy? No, that is the man's name.
If whenever I decided to write about president "Barack Obama", I instead wrote "Barry Soetoro", is that a conspiracy? No, that is the man's name.
Folks may not like it, but that is one of the man's names and is a relevant issue.
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RE: "Barry Soetoro" hits the age of Con.Cent. - 10/20/2009 7:26:14 AM
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Of course, no one would know who you were talking about if you did that.  I personally wouldn't use a name no one would recognize because I figure people would say, "Who?" and move on. I wouldn't want to kill my own threads because no one had a clue what I was talking about. But if someone else wants to kill their own threads, I don't see why they should be stopped.
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RE: "Barry Soetoro" hits the age of Con.Cent. - 10/20/2009 10:40:08 PM
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rlj
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He is now POTUS, and the fact that he tried to lie about and obfuscate the fact that his name used to be Barry Soetoro, and that he was registered as a Muslim is a relevant issue. It isn't "conspiracy", it is fact.
Until I see a real or fake Birth Certificate from Hawaii, Kenya, Indonesia, Lilliput, Narnia, or wherever he may have been born then Barry Soertoro isn't his name. Our president's name is Barack Obama, I know because the Kenyan Birth Certificates have Barack Hussein Obama II or some such on them.
I do however have no problem with the other nicknames for him - the 0ne, B0, etc, it's just BS is simply... BS?
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RE: "Barry Soetoro" hits the age of Con.Cent. - 10/20/2009 11:14:08 PM
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Ross.Lang
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quote:
It is a valid issue.
It is one of his "official" names, and one which he tried to lie about and hide from.
He is now POTUS, and the fact that he tried to lie about and obfuscate the fact that his name used to be Barry Soetoro, and that he was registered as a Muslim is a relevant issue. It isn't "conspiracy", it is fact.
This post is highly illustrative of my point. If one types in the name "Barry Soetoro" on wikipedia, one is immediately redirected to a page on Obama Birth Certificate conspiracy theories. Not that this is itself definitive, but as an open source page, Wikipedia is fairly accurate about the existence (or lack thereof) of important persons. The decision on Wikipedia (after some debate) was that the evidence supporting Obama as being born "Barry Soetoro" is not credible. Their decision was based on analysis of US tort proceedings (and the associated evidence on both sides), the de facto standard of verity in this matter. Therefore, anyone who disagrees with the decision of the courts is entitled to their opinion, so long as they realize that the apparatus put in place for gauging the truth of issues like this does not concur with their judgement.
Also, despite attempts to spin it another way, anyone who wanders into a "Barry Soetoro" thread on this forum will see after a post or two that this name is used in tacitly or openly challenging the legitimacy of the presidency of Obama. This is the reason why posts using this name should be moved into Conspiracy Central: Obama is our legal president, and will be until 2012. Challenges of this nature are a year too late. Good game. Challenging that with evidence that's been repeatedly laughed out of court is like challenging the nature and orbit of the Sun with speculation based on Mayan astrology. The first time it happens, you laugh. The second time, you label the person a Conspiracy Theorist. Thank God that there's a place where people who enjoy this sort of thing can fellowship with each other without the criticism that inherently comes with exposing their interests to people like me. I was a scientist, and I have to pick at things that don't make sense. I just think it would be better for all parties involved if these threads were moved... for fellowship's sake. If the Barry people can't handle the pejorative implications of holding their meetings in Conspiracy Central, they might do well to contemplate the extensive sociological literature on the positive benefits of peer pressure as a means of maintaining standards within human society.
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RE: "Barry Soetoro" hits the age of Con.Cent. - 10/24/2009 12:25:15 PM
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Also, despite attempts to spin it another way, anyone who wanders into a "Barry Soetoro" thread on this forum will see after a post or two that this name is used in tacitly or openly challenging the legitimacy of the presidency of Obama.
Excellent point and in full agreement.
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